What does "quiverfull" mean to you?

[oliveplants]

With the recent article and rebuttal linked here, I thought it'd be nice to know exactly what we mean when we say "quiverfull." PLease vote what is closest to your own position; I know it won't be an exact match, but I'd like to have everybody vote.

 

[oliveplants]

SInce I threw in the BC choices, I made the poll multiple choice. I voted 6,8,9.

 

[AutumnDreamer]

I couldn't answer the poll, none of the answers fit. To me quiverfull, is allowing God to decide how big your family is, but that doesn't mean never using any BC, it means continually praying and seeking His wisdom to determine when to go on and when to wait or when to stop.

 

[Athaliamum]

I don't understand how the use of birth control could be sinful. I mean this is God we are talking about. If he had a plan for children in an individuals life he's going to put them there regardless of any measure we as humans might make against it. You're looking at written proof! My parents were using BC and my mum only had one overy and was over 40 but I'm still here!

I can understand this view point on pills ect that stop a fertilised egg from implanting but not pills that stop egg production.

 

[oliveplants]

I couldn't answer the poll, none of the answers fit. To me quiverfull, is allowing God to decide how big your family is, but that doesn't mean never using any BC, it means continually praying and seeking His wisdom to determine when to go on and when to wait or when to stop.

That sounds like choice 9, more or less.
Would you say that in general you want many children, but God is showing you when, or that in general you don't want a lot of children, but God is free to override that? Just trying to clarify. Tia.

 

[oliveplants]

I don't understand how the use of birth control could be sinful. I mean this is God we are talking about. If he had a plan for children in an individuals life he's going to put them there regardless of any measure we as humans might make against it. You're looking at written proof! My parents were using BC and my mum only had one overy and was over 40 but I'm still here!

I can understand this view point on pills ect that stop a fertilised egg from implanting but not pills that stop egg production.

There are a number of viewpoints about BC. I personally think some hormonal bc (those that prevent implantation) is sinfull, and some are just wrong (because of the havoc they wreak on a woman's emotions, natural cycle, aging process, etc).
But I wouldn't outlaw them, either, because they are used to treat other diseases, and a woman should be able to asses the risks vs benefits for herself. SO anyway, I just put the options up there.

 

[Katakalupto]

I picked the three that started with all, but I feel the need to clarify that they are sinful for me to use. I don't know what God has told others to do, and can't comment on if that would be a sin for someone else or not.

 

[AutumnDreamer]

That sounds like choice 9, more or less.
Would you say that in general you want many children, but God is showing you when, or that in general you don't want a lot of children, but God is free to override that? Just trying to clarify. Tia.

I feel like when God does not want me to have more, then He will take that desire away from us.

 

[Assisi]

I can understand this view point on pills ect that stop a fertilised egg from implanting but not pills that stop egg production.

I don't think there are any pills which always stop egg production.

I don't think everyone is called to have a large family. But I would like to have one.

Ooh, and I think aritificial birth control is sinful.

 

[ACADEMIC]

I picked the three that started with all, but I feel the need to clarify that they are sinful for me to use. I don't know what God has told others to do, and can't comment on if that would be a sin for someone else or not.

On what basis do you think God has said that to you?

 

[Katakalupto]

On what basis do you think God has said that to you?

What do you mean what basis?

God speaks to people in different ways. I know when I am doing something He doesn't want because the Holy Spirit convicts me of it.

Why does it matter to you?

 

[oliveplants]

On what basis do you think God has said that to you?

I hate to pick on you, because so far you are the only man to show up (and other reasons; you contribute nicely on the anabaptist forum).

But...

Are you quiverfull? Do you have honest questions for those who are? Or are you only here to convince us we're wrong?

Please declare yourself, I beg; my curiosity, you know...

 

[ACADEMIC]

I hate to pick on you, because so far you are the only man to show up (and other reasons; you contribute nicely on the anabaptist forum).

But...

Are you quiverfull? Do you have honest questions for those who are? Or are you only here to convince us we're wrong?

Please declare yourself, I beg; my curiosity, you know...

I am curious on what basis she feels God has said that to her. I may cross-examine her basis or I may not, depending upon what is that basis. Who is afraid of cross examination if their position on something is truly solid? I have seen many women have their consciences bound by false ideas of what certain Scriptures are saying. Who would wish consciences to remain falsely bound?

 

[oliveplants]

I am curious on what basis she feels God has said that to her. I may cross-examine her or I may not, depending upon what she says. Who is afraid of cross examination if their position on something is truly solid?

So do you intend to keep hanging around this corner without saying you are a part of it, or what? I'm not trying to be hateful, I really want to know "what is your position?"

 

[ACADEMIC]

Worknprogress, which Scriptures and/or books do you feel God has used to convince you?

Let me add that I think most respondents here so far, except for perhaps Assisi and Workinprogress who I am not yet sure about (hence the questions), are apparently identifying with a movement to which their actual beliefs do not really mesh. For example, simply wanting a big family and being against hormonal BC because of remote possibilites for failed implantation of embryos does not equate with being QF.

 

[AutumnDreamer]

I am curious on what basis she feels God has said that to her. I may cross-examine her basis or I may not, depending upon what is that basis. Who is afraid of cross examination if their position on something is truly solid? I have seen many women have their consciences bound by false ideas of what certain Scriptures are saying. Who would wish consciences to remain falsely bound?

This forum is not for debate purposes. Please do not post in here simply to stir up debate on whether quiverfull is right or wrong.

 

[Katakalupto]

Scriptures are not what has convicted me but the Holy Spirit of God. I am happy with however many children the Lord chooses to bless me with. Whether it stay at one or go to 30. It doesn't matter. I am placing my complete faith and trust in God. I trust Him solely with my fertility.

 

[Assisi]

Worknprogress, which Scriptures and/or books do you feel God has used to convince you?

Let me add that I think most respondents here so far, except for perhaps Assisi and Workinprogress who I am not yet sure about (hence the questions), are apparently identifying with a movement to which their actual beliefs do not really mesh. For example, simply wanting a big family and being against hormonal BC because of remote possibilites for failed implantation of embryos does not equate with being QF.

Actually I followed the link you posted on the other thread to wikipedia, and I do not meet their definition. I believe using NFP is responsible in grave circumstances.

I have to say that it's really awesome to hear you all talk about the joy of children this way. Before I came here I thought Catholics were the only ones who had these beautiful beliefs. How narrow minded I was! I'm so glad to be wrong!

 

[ACADEMIC]

This forum is not for debate purposes. Please do not post in here simply to stir up debate on whether quiverfull is right or wrong.

Who is posting here simply to stir up debate?

I looked everywhere for a rule indicating that crtically examining QF beliefs were off limits but did not find it. Can you kindly help point me to it?

 

[AutumnDreamer]

Who is posting here simply to stir up debate?

I looked everywhere for a rule indicating that crtically examining QF beliefs were off limits but did not find it. Can you kindly help point me to it?

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- Ridiculing, insulting, or demeaning another member or group of members;
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IMO you are a fine line away from being considered flaming. Your questions appear to be loaded to instill other to defend their beliefs, while some may be okay with that, this forum was created so that those who believe this way would have a place to discuss it without people telling them they are wrong.