WHAT DOES PAUL MEAN IN PHIL 3:11 ?

[Dan Perez]

Phil 3:11 says what does it MEAN ?

# 1 If // EI is a conjunction

# 2 By Any Means // Pos , Possessive Disjunctive Interrogative

# 3 I might Attain // Katantao , is an Aorist Tense , Active Voice , means that Christ is doing that action with Paul , in the Subjunctive Mood , Singular

# 4 Unto // Eis is a preposition

# 5 The // Ho , is a Definite Acticle , in the Accusative Case in the Accusative Case , in th Singular , that is speaking to only Paul .

# 6 Out - Resurrection // Exanastasis , in the Accusative Case , meaning the subject and in the Singular and speaks about Paul .

# 7 Of The // Ho , is a Definite Article in the Genitive Case

# 8 Dead // Nekros , in the Genitive Case of Description

What are your thoughts on the Greek word OUT- RESURRECTION ?

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Paul sought to be released from his present condition, bound in the flesh with disobedience and temptations. And I believe he sought it as a collective of mankind release, spoken of at length in 1 Cor. 15:42-56

In other words he was looking for thee end of the devil and his messengers, as should we all

 

[Aristarkos]

Phil 3:11 says what does it MEAN ?

# 1 If // EI is a conjunction

# 2 By Any Means // Pos , Possessive Disjunctive Interrogative

# 3 I might Attain // Katantao , is an Aorist Tense , Active Voice , means that Christ is doing that action with Paul , in the Subjunctive Mood , Singular

# 4 Unto // Eis is a preposition

# 5 The // Ho , is a Definite Acticle , in the Accusative Case in the Accusative Case , in th Singular , that is speaking to only Paul .

# 6 Out - Resurrection // Exanastasis , in the Accusative Case , meaning the subject and in the Singular and speaks about Paul .

# 7 Of The // Ho , is a Definite Article in the Genitive Case

# 8 Dead // Nekros , in the Genitive Case of Description

What are your thoughts on the Greek word OUT- RESURRECTION ?

dan p

# 7 above should read ek, out of, see Biblehub.com, so it says the out-resurrection out of the dead. For me this means being resurrected by God while the others stay in the grave. This is the last stage on the way of salvation.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

# 7 above should read ek, out of, see Biblehub.com, so it says the out-resurrection out of the dead. For me this means being resurrected by God while the others stay in the grave. This is the last stage on the way of salvation.

Aristarkos

You are right and it is # 6 where EK // means out and ANASTASIS means resurrection ;

After doing my research , here is what what I see .

# 1 I believe it is speaking about TWO different Resurrections

# 2 One for Israel .

# 3 One what is called the RAPTURE , and everyone should know that there IS NO GREEK word for RAPTURE in the KJV , period .

# 4 In Phil 3:7 But what things were GAINS to me , these have been consider LOSS for the sake of Christ .

# 5 Paul considers LOSS , since any other thinks to HAVE Confidence in the flesh , I more .

# 6 Verse 5 As to Circumcision , the eighth day , from the race of Israel , of the tribe of Benjamin , a Hebrew from Hebrews

concerning the LAW , , a Pharisee , concerning Zeal , persecuting the assembly , concerning righteousness which is in the LAW

having become FAULTLESS .

# 7 Verse 7 these have been considered LOSS for the sake of Christ .

# 8 VERSE 8 , Whom i have suffered LOSS of all things and consider them to be them to be REFUSE in order that I might

gain Christ .

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

Phil 3:11 says what does it MEAN ?

# 1 If // EI is a conjunction

# 2 By Any Means // Pos , Possessive Disjunctive Interrogative

# 3 I might Attain // Katantao , is an Aorist Tense , Active Voice , means that Christ is doing that action with Paul , in the Subjunctive Mood , Singular

# 4 Unto // Eis is a preposition

# 5 The // Ho , is a Definite Acticle , in the Accusative Case in the Accusative Case , in th Singular , that is speaking to only Paul .

# 6 Out - Resurrection // Exanastasis , in the Accusative Case , meaning the subject and in the Singular and speaks about Paul .

# 7 Of The // Ho , is a Definite Article in the Genitive Case

# 8 Dead // Nekros , in the Genitive Case of Description

What are your thoughts on the Greek word OUT- RESURRECTION ?

dan p

(Besides his dashing of any OSAS doctrine), Paul wants more than anything to be resurrected at the return of Christ.
The last verse of Phil 3, 21, also says he is awaiting his new vessel.

 

[Dan Perez]

(Besides his dashing of any OSAS doctrine), Paul wants more than anything to be resurrected at the return of Christ.
The last verse of Phil 3, 21, also says he is awaiting his new vessel.

And what does , Besides his dashing of any OSAS , mean ?

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

And what does , Besides his dashing of any OSAS , mean ?

dan p

It means that our resurrection and judgement is dependent on our behavior while still alive.
Some think that once one converts to Christianity, there is no need to worry about future judgement.
Paul shows that judgement is still "up in the air".

 

[Dan Perez]

It means that our resurrection and judgement is dependent on our behavior while still alive.
Some think that once one converts to Christianity, there is no need to worry about future judgement.
Paul shows that judgement is still "up in the air".

Just asking for a verse for the above reply

So , just one sin before Christ coming , there is no need to worry about FUTURE Judgment ?

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

Just asking for a verse for the above reply

OK, Dan.
"If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." (Phil 3:11-12)
Paul is showing that there is no OSAS, as he is still aware that things could change between his now and later.
His future is not guaranteed.

So , just one sin before Christ coming , there is no need to worry about FUTURE Judgment ?
dan

Peter writes..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
A day of judgement still awaits us.

 

[Dan Perez]

OK, Dan.
"If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." (Phil 3:11-12)
Paul is showing that there is no OSAS, as he is still aware that things could change between his now and later.
His future is not guaranteed.

Peter writes..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
A day of judgement still awaits us.

And who was Peter speaking to as in Gal 2: 7 Peter message was CIRCUMCISION , and Gal 2:14 was compelling Gentiles

to ADOPT Jewish CUSTOMS and Rites , proves Peter was not saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 or by Eph 2:8 !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

And who was Peter speaking to as in Gal 2: 7

Jews were mostly the subject of Peter's preaching.

Peter message was CIRCUMCISION.

As we have no scripture of Peter preaching circumcision, your idea is unprovable.

and Gal 2:14 was compelling Gentiles to ADOPT Jewish CUSTOMS and Rites , proves Peter was not saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 or by Eph 2:8 !!

Peter was a Jew, and was eating and otherwise mixing with Gentiles...until other Jews came to visit.
Where do you see him preaching circumcision ?

As for being saved, no man is saved until the day of judgement declares it.

 

[Dan Perez]

Jews were mostly the subject of Peter's preaching.

As we have no scripture of Peter preaching circumcision, your idea is unprovable.


Peter was a Jew, and was eating and otherwise mixing with Gentiles...until other Jews came to visit.
Where do you see him preaching circumcision ?

As for being saved, no man is saved until the day of judgement declares it.

And you seem to know that to be true , you MUST have a verse that , SALVATION , happens , until the DAY of JUDGMENT??

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

And you seem to know that to be true , you MUST have a verse that , SALVATION , doesn't happens , until the DAY of JUDGMENT??

I added the "doesn't" to your text.
Here is one from Peter..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
The day of Christ has not happened yet, so none have been raised to eternal life.

Here is Paul's opinion..."If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect:" (Phil 3:11-12)
He is still awaiting the day of judgement, in order to determine his eternal fate.

Paul again..."Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." (1 Cor 10:12)
If at some point a man is "saved", how could he fall from that position ?

John also refers to the day of judgement..."Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
A day of judgement stands between now and salvation.

 

[Dan Perez]

I added the "doesn't" to your text.
Here is one from Peter..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
The day of Christ has not happened yet, so none have been raised to eternal life.

Here is Paul's opinion..."If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect:" (Phil 3:11-12)
He is still awaiting the day of judgement, in order to determine his eternal fate.

Paul again..."Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." (1 Cor 10:12)
If at some point a man is "saved", how could he fall from that position ?

John also refers to the day of judgement..."Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
A day of judgement stands between now and salvation.

And Paul is the ONLY ONE that talks about the JUDGMENT SEAT of Christ in 2 Cor 5:10 as Paul is OUR apostle of the

Gentiles and that we are to be IMITATORS of me , just as I also am of Christ .

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

And Paul is the ONLY ONE that talks about the JUDGMENT SEAT of Christ in 2 Cor 5:10 as Paul is OUR apostle of the

Gentiles and that we are to be IMITATORS of me , just as I also am of Christ .

dan p

Does it matter to you that Paul is the only one to reference the judgement seat of Christ ?
BTW, he also writes of it in Rom 14:10..."But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ."

The bottom line is that salvation can't be assured until we are judged.

 

[Dan Perez]

Does it matter to you that Paul is the only one to reference the judgement seat of Christ ?
BTW, he also writes of it in Rom 14:10..."But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ."

The bottom line is that salvation can't be assured until we are judged.

And this JUDGMENT is for the BODY of Christ only , period , as it is the FOUNDATION that Paul LAID , in 1 Cor 3:10-15 !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

And this JUDGMENT is for the BODY of Christ only , period , as it is the FOUNDATION that Paul LAID , in 1 Cor 3:10-15 !!

dan p

Do you have some verse that says that sinners won't be judged at the throne of Christ ?

 

[John G.]

Don't rip out one verse and quote it out of context.
In verse 9, the apostle writes:
"...I no longer have a righteousness of my own, the kind that is gained by obeying the Law. I now have the righteousness that is given through faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God and is based on faith".
We are saved by God's grace, through faith. Salvation is given, not attained.

 

[Dan Perez]

Do you have some verse that says that sinners won't be judged at the throne of Christ ?

I sure do and read 1 Cor 6-15 and 2 Cor 10 , called the BEMA SEAT !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

I sure do and read 1 Cor 6-15 and 2 Cor 10 , called the BEMA SEAT !!

dan p

Neither 1 Cor 6:15 or 2 Cor 10 said anything about judgement.