WHAT DOES PAUL MEAN IN PHIL 3:11 ?

[Dan Perez]

Neither 1 Cor 6:15 or 2 Cor 10 said anything about judgement.

I am sorry that I gave you the wrong verse and meant 2 Cor 5:10 !!

The word JUDGMENT SEAT // BEMA is a noun , in the Genitive Case , speaks about DEFINIATION , in the Singular meaning one at a time and in th Neuter , meaning Male and Female . and only those saved by Grace will appear their !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

I am sorry that I gave you the wrong verse and meant 2 Cor 5:10 !!

The word JUDGMENT SEAT // BEMA is a noun , in the Genitive Case , speaks about DEFINIATION , in the Singular meaning one at a time and in th Neuter , meaning Male and Female . and only those saved by Grace will appear their !

Your definition makes no case for who will, or won't be, judged.
I can't find the word "definiation" anywhere !
All will give an account of their lives before God..."For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom 14:11)

 

[Dan Perez]

Your definition makes no case for who will, or won't be, judged.
I can't find the word "definiation" anywhere !
All will give an account of their lives before God..."For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom 14:11)

But 2 Cor 5:1-10 is speaking to Us , the Body of Christ as being at home in the body we are away from the Lord

is pointing to those in the BODY of CHRIST ,

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

But 2 Cor 5:1-10 is speaking to Us , the Body of Christ as being at home in the body we are away from the Lord
is pointing to those in the BODY of CHRIST ,

Yes, and still, a day of judgement is coming.

 

[Dan Perez]

Yes, and still, a day of judgement is coming.

Just asking what day of JUDGEMENT are you speaking speaking about >?? As there v are more judgements than

1 Cor r:1-10 ??

We all know that judgement is coming for ALL !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

Just asking what day of JUDGEMENT are you speaking speaking about >??

I am referring to the day of judgement...the day of Christ's return to destroy this world.

As there are more judgements than 1 Cor 1-10 ?? (sic)

The day of the Lord is the judgement I refer to. (1 Cor 1:8)

We all know that judgement is coming for ALL !!

I hope all who are reading this are acting like that day is tomorrow !

 

[Aaron112]

Those who are joined to a harlot suffer for it.

Those who serve/worship demons suffer for it.

 

[Dan Perez]

Your definition makes no case for who will, or won't be, judged.
I can't find the word "definiation" anywhere !
All will give an account of their lives before God..."For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom 14:11)

And I write what the bible says of

Yes, and still, a day of judgement is coming.

Here are where the Judgments are found !!

# 1 Is found in 1 Cor 1:8 !!

# 2 2 Cor 5:10 , called the BEMA SEAT for believers saved by Grace !!

# 3 Matt 25:33 Judgement of SHEEP and GOATS , for Israel only !!

# 4 Rev 20: 20:2-15 , called LAKE of FIRE , is the last judgement !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

And I write what the bible says of

Here are where the Judgments are found !!

# 1 Is found in 1 Cor 1:8 !!

# 2 2 Cor 5:10 , called the BEMA SEAT for believers saved by Grace !!

# 3 Matt 25:33 Judgement of SHEEP and GOATS , for Israel only !!

# 4 Rev 20: 20:2-15 , called LAKE of FIRE , is the last judgement !!

dan p

Those are indeed references to the day of judgement.

 

[concretecamper]

Phil 3:11 says what does it MEAN ?

# 1 If // EI is a conjunction

# 2 By Any Means // Pos , Possessive Disjunctive Interrogative

# 3 I might Attain // Katantao , is an Aorist Tense , Active Voice , means that Christ is doing that action with Paul , in the Subjunctive Mood , Singular

# 4 Unto // Eis is a preposition

# 5 The // Ho , is a Definite Acticle , in the Accusative Case in the Accusative Case , in th Singular , that is speaking to only Paul .

# 6 Out - Resurrection // Exanastasis , in the Accusative Case , meaning the subject and in the Singular and speaks about Paul .

# 7 Of The // Ho , is a Definite Article in the Genitive Case

# 8 Dead // Nekros , in the Genitive Case of Description

What are your thoughts on the Greek word OUT- RESURRECTION ?

dan p

No novice Greek expert for me. I will follow the Church and the Church Fathers.


if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. - Philippians 3:11

If, therefore, in the present time, fleshly hearts are made partakers of the Spirit, what is there astonishing if, in the resurrection, they receive that life which is granted by the Spirit? Of which resurrection the apostle speaks in the Epistle to the Philippians: "Having been made conformable to His death, if by any means I might attain to the resurrection which is from the dead."

- Irenaeus of Lyons 202 A.D.

 

[Dan Perez]

No novice Greek expert for me. I will follow the Church and the Church Fathers.


if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. - Philippians 3:11

If, therefore, in the present time, fleshly hearts are made partakers of the Spirit, what is there astonishing if, in the resurrection, they receive that life which is granted by the Spirit? Of which resurrection the apostle speaks in the Epistle to the Philippians: "Having been made conformable to His death, if by any means I might attain to the resurrection which is from the dead."

- Irenaeus of Lyons 202 A.D.

And I am writing what those Greek scholars of yester days wrote and that means I am not a Balderdash writer !!

Just check BLIUE LETTER BIBLE or Check BIBLE HIUB and BLUE LETTER BIBLE and they have 32 translations and some

translate it some what different BUT are using the SAME Greek text >

I may not BE a Greek Translator , but am slowly learning how !and so can use if BLUE LETTER BIBLE and begin and LEARN .

dan p

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

And I write what the bible says of

Here are where the Judgments are found !!

# 1 Is found in 1 Cor 1:8 !!

That doesn't say anything about judgement. It says revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. Because of the testimony concerning Christ confirmed in you.

# 2 2 Cor 5:10 , called the BEMA SEAT for believers saved by Grace !!

Those at the Bema seat are the all the believers.. who were raptured to heaven because they are confirmed in Christ.Their works are judged. Which could be burnable, but the believer does not burn, is not discarded nor is sent to hell. They remain believers in Christ.

# 3 Matt 25:33 Judgement of SHEEP and GOATS , for Israel only !!

In verse 32 it says that all nations are to be gathered before Him. So the sheep are according to verse 34 which includes unsaved but not wicked Gentiles. Like all Jews in the Old Testament and the Gospels were not saved but not wicked. They- Jews & Gentiles were/are eligible for salvation after Jesus was raised from the dead.

And the goats - as Alexander the great was in Daniel's dream. Are all the unsaved wicked nations.

# 4 Rev 20: 20:2-15 , called LAKE of FIRE , is the last judgement !!

dan p

A short summary: Previous to that is the Great White throne judgement of all nations. Not of Christians. The Gentile unsaved but not wicked sheep nations enter into the Messianic Millennium. At the end of the Messianic Millennium the lake of fire is for all whose names were not written in the Lamb's book of Life. The remaining unsaved but not wicked sheep nations enter into the New Heaven and New Earth.

 

[Dan Perez]

That doesn't say anything about judgement. It says revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. Because of the testimony concerning Christ confirmed in you.


Those at the Bema seat are the all the believers.. who were raptured to heaven because they are confirmed in Christ.Their works are judged. Which could be burnable, but the believer does not burn, is not discarded nor is sent to hell. They remain believers in Christ.

In verse 32 it says that all nations are to be gathered before Him. So the sheep are according to verse 34 which includes unsaved but not wicked Gentiles. Like all Jews in the Old Testament and the Gospels were not saved but not wicked. They- Jews & Gentiles were/are eligible for salvation after Jesus was raised from the dead.

And the goats - as Alexander the great was in Daniel's dream. Are all the unsaved wicked nations.

A short summary: Previous to that is the Great White throne judgement of all nations. Not of Christians. The Gentile unsaved but not wicked sheep nations enter into the Messianic Millennium. At the end of the Messianic Millennium the lake of fire is for all whose names were not written in the Lamb's book of Life. The remaining unsaved but not wicked sheep nations enter into the New Heaven and New Earth.

And there b is not Greek word for RAPTURE as I have never found it ??

And when does any one EVER go to heaven ?///

dan p

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

And there b is not Greek word for RAPTURE as I have never found it ??

The word rapture is not Greek. It's Latin from the Septugent / LXX. Rapero or rapturo. The Greek word is harpazo.

It's translated "Caught up" in the KJV. (1 Thes.4:17). From the Latin it has over time gotten Anglicized to the word 'rapture'.

Verify this by using a search engine to read many articles from a variety of sources.

And when does any one EVER go to heaven ?///

Christians go to heaven when they die. (2 Cor.5:8). The exception is at the time of the rapture when Jesus comes to take us back to heaven with Him. The verse for that I've already mentioned above. The greater detail is from 1 Thess.4:13-17.

Paul wasn't directly talking about the literal resurrection from the dead in Phil.3:10-11.. he was talking about gaining revelation knowledge of Christ Jesus. (vs.8) All that is available to Christians by Jesus having been resurrected from the dead. The first step to knowing Him is getting saved or born again. All else of Christian life comes from the risen Savior. The greatest miracle of all. The greatest display of God's love for mankind that's a greater miracle than any in the Old Testament.

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

The word rapture is not Greek. It's Latin from the Septugent / LXX. Rapero or rapturo. The Greek word is harpazo.

It's translated "Caught up" in the KJV. (1 Thes.4:17). From the Latin it has over time gotten Anglicized to the word 'rapture'.

Verify this by using a search engine to read many articles from a variety of sources.


Christians go to heaven when they die. (2 Cor.5:8). The exception is at the time of the rapture when Jesus comes to take us back to heaven with Him. The verse for that I've already mentioned above. The greater detail is from 1 Thess.4:13-17.

Paul wasn't directly talking about the literal resurrection from the dead in Phil.3:10-11.. he was talking about gaining revelation knowledge of Christ Jesus. (vs.8) All that is available to Christians by Jesus having been resurrected from the dead. The first step to knowing Him is getting saved or born again. All else of Christian life comes from the risen Savior. The greatest miracle of all. The greatest display of God's love for mankind that's a greater miracle than any in the Old Testament.

For one there is NO Greek word for RAPTURE in the bible ?

And I know all about 2 Cor 5:8 !!

in John 3:13 says and No man hath Ascended up to HEAVEN , but he that came down from heaven , even the Son of

man which is in heaven .

When a sinner dies His body goes to the grave !!

His SOUL goes to HELL >

And his spirit goes , WHERE ?? Back to God that gave it < ECCL !12:7 !!


When a believer dies , His BODY goes to the GRAVE .

So where does his Spirit goes too??

dan p

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

For one there is NO Greek word for RAPTURE in the bible ?

The Greek word for rapture is harpazo, it means "caught up" that is what the KJV says. The word rapture is from the Latin Septugent which is translated from the Greek.. so it's an accurate equivalent to the word in the KJV.

The word rapture is valid to describe the event. Some actually call it the snatching away of the church. All such phrases mean the same thing.

And I know all about 2 Cor 5:8 !!

You did ask so don't use the !!'s back at me.

in John 3:13 says and No man hath Ascended up to HEAVEN , but he that came down from heaven , even the Son of

man which is in heaven .

That is referring entirely to Jesus. However, along with Jesus being raised up, many followers and believers were raised up with him and were taken up into heaven. (Mat. 27:52; Eph. 4:8)

Jesus' ascension opened up for all believers to go to heaven where Jesus is when they die.

When a sinner dies His body goes to the grave !!

I'm 70 years old and I've witnessed the process many times of where a person's body goes after death.

His SOUL goes to HELL >

I've been reading the Bible for 62 years so I know the scriptures concerning that as well.

And his spirit goes , WHERE ?? Back to God that gave it < ECCL !12:7 !!

If you're still talking about the sinner, then the answer is no. The sinners soul does not go to God but as you said it goes to hell.

When a believer dies , His BODY goes to the GRAVE .

So where does his Spirit goes too??

dan p

Have you made yourself confused on this matter? The believers spirit goes to God as Eccl.12:7 and 2 Cor.5:8 says.

 

[Dan Perez]

The Greek word for rapture is harpazo, it means "caught up" that is what the KJV says. The word rapture is from the Latin Septugent which is translated from the Greek.. so it's an accurate equivalent to the word in the KJV.

The word rapture is valid to describe the event. Some actually call it the snatching away of the church. All such phrases mean the same thing.


You did ask so don't use the !!'s back at me.

That is referring entirely to Jesus. However, along with Jesus being raised up, many followers and believers were raised up with him and were taken up into heaven. (Mat. 27:52; Eph. 4:8)

Jesus' ascension opened up for all believers to go to heaven where Jesus is when they die.

I'm 70 years old and I've witnessed the process many times of where a person's body goes after death.

I've been reading the Bible for 62 years so I know the scriptures concerning that as well.

If you're still talking about the sinner, then the answer is no. The sinners soul does not go to God but as you said it goes to hell.

Have you made yourself confused on this matter? The believers spirit goes to God as Eccl.12:7 and 2 Cor.5:8 says.

And many quote 2 Cor 5:8 so where does the BELEVERS spirit go ??

Try 2 Cor 12:1-5 !!

I believe that there a Greek better than a NONE Greek word when there other Greek word that explain it just as good .


# 1 Is found in 1 Thess 4:17 is CAUGHT AWAY // HARPAZ0 .

The other one is in 2 The 2:1 the word COMMING // PAROUSIA .

And the in verse 3 , and the KJV translate it , FALLING AWAY , and I believe it is the Greek word , except the

DEPARTURE // APOSTASTIA should come FIRST and the man of SIN should be revealed the son of DESTRUCTION

And there is one more in Gal 1:4 where the Greek word in RESCUE // EXAIREO .

dan p

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

And many quote 2 Cor 5:8 so where does the BELEVERS spirit go ??

Try 2 Cor 12:1-5 !!

I believe that there a Greek better than a NONE Greek word when there other Greek word that explain it just as good .


# 1 Is found in 1 Thess 4:17 is CAUGHT AWAY // HARPAZ0 .

The other one is in 2 The 2:1 the word COMMING // PAROUSIA .

And the in verse 3 , and the KJV translate it , FALLING AWAY , and I believe it is the Greek word , except the

DEPARTURE // APOSTASTIA should come FIRST and the man of SIN should be revealed the son of DESTRUCTION

And there is one more in Gal 1:4 where the Greek word in RESCUE // EXAIREO .

dan p

You have cited 3 different verses (1 Thes.4:17; 2 Thes.2:1; Gal.1:4) that are 3 different words that describe 3 different events or experiences. Or 2 semi different and one fully different.

2 Thes.2:3 describes in yet another way .. the rapture event as departure. Which is different than 'falling away'.

Example: of late the UMC has fallen away from it's holiness conduct. Likewise also lately there has been a rash of exposed preachers concerning their conduct. But neither have those fallings away brought the son of perdition on the scene. The global church is still on the earth. The restraining effect is still ongoing. Which prevents the son of perdition from stepping out to center stage.

The rapture comes first, then with the restraining effect gone, the man of sin comes out from hiding. The man of perdition. The word perdition is equal to the word(s) in Revelation of the name apollyon. aka abaddon. The name means 'destruction'. And also 'chaos'. And also 'Apophis'. The name that NASA gave to the asteroid they discovered in 2004. Then later said that it would impact the earth in 2029. Then they renigged and said that it wouldn't at all for upwards of 100 years. But whose to truly say barring a carrom event with asteroids out there in near earth space.

 

[Dan Perez]

That doesn't say anything about judgement. It says revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. Because of the testimony concerning Christ confirmed in you.


Those at the Bema seat are the all the believers.. who were raptured to heaven because they are confirmed in Christ.Their works are judged. Which could be burnable, but the believer does not burn, is not discarded nor is sent to hell. They remain believers in Christ.

In verse 32 it says that all nations are to be gathered before Him. So the sheep are according to verse 34 which includes unsaved but not wicked Gentiles. Like all Jews in the Old Testament and the Gospels were not saved but not wicked. They- Jews & Gentiles were/are eligible for salvation after Jesus was raised from the dead.

And the goats - as Alexander the great was in Daniel's dream. Are all the unsaved wicked nations.

A short summary: Previous to that is the Great White throne judgement of all nations. Not of Christians. The Gentile unsaved but not wicked sheep nations enter into the Messianic Millennium. At the end of the Messianic Millennium the lake of fire is for all whose names were not written in the Lamb's book of Life. The remaining unsaved but not wicked sheep nations enter into the New Heaven and New Earth.

And you said that you follow CHURCH FATHERS ??

When it says in 1 Cor 11:1 which says : You become imitators me , just as I also am of Christ , NOT CHURCH FATHERS !!

As there is NO Greek word as RAPTURE in the bible .

And their is no Greek word that says when you DIE you go instantly to heaven and I have read and 2 Cor 5:6 !!

dan p

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

And you said that you follow CHURCH FATHERS ??

I don't recall that I said that. Since you've previously mistaken me for Valleta, you could here be mistaking me for what someone else said.

When it says in 1 Cor 11:1 which says : You become imitators me , just as I also am of Christ , NOT CHURCH FATHERS !!

Hold on.

I'm still not saying that I said that I follow the church fathers. I follow the Holy Spirit of the Bible, and I follow Jesus of the gospels, and the apostles epistles.

I follow the church fathers to the degree that they follow Paul who follows Christ. To the degree that a church father translates accurately the Greek text to Latin, and the Latin text, or Greek text to English. And to the degree that Bible scholars of integrity who are expert in Greek use "critical text comparison" accurately.

I follow certain ministers of the gospel that God has led me to.

As demonstrated in our post discussions, I've not found very much of what you've said to agree with so I certainly will not follow you and your [!!] statements.

As there is NO Greek word as RAPTURE in the bible .

Do you know that large caps is equivalent to shouting, which is rude at times of discussion. For emphasis, use 'bold', or 'italics', or 'underline'.

I have explained about the word 'rapture' several times now. So I won't go over it again.

These things I've known for a very long time before you came along. If you think to teach me, not only are you 'johhny come late', but you are inaccurate... so, no thank you.

And their is no Greek word that says when you DIE you go instantly to heaven and I have read and 2 Cor 5:6 !!

dan p

Congratulations that you read it. However, there is NO one Greek word that can be translated into an entire sentence to say.. "when you die you go instantly to heaven".

The verse that has it is actually 2Cor.5:8 where Paul said, "to be absent from from the body [died] is to [instantly go] be with the Lord [in heaven]."

NLT "Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord."

BLB "Now we are confident and are pleased rather to be absent out of the body, and to be at home with the Lord."

"Away, and "absent" is the Greek word that describes "die and go [instantly to] be with the Lord". in heaven."

Strong's Greek: 1553. ἐκδημέω (ekdémeó) -- To be away from home, to be absent
1553 (ekdēmeō) is always used positively, of the desire to be absent (away) from the {our physical body} restrictions of this world and going on to enjoy God's manifest glory. {heaven}

Paul says as much in -

Phil.1:23 NLT "I’m torn between two desires: I long to go and be with Christ, which would be far better for me.

Phil. 1:23 BLB "I am torn between the two. I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better indeed."

Do you follow Paul who follows Christ, or do you follow someone else?