WHAT DOES PAUL MEAN IN PHIL 3:11 ?

[Dan Perez]

Your definition makes no case for who will, or won't be, judged.
I can't find the word "definiation" anywhere !
All will give an account of their lives before God..."For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom 14:11)

Greek scholars from A GREEK MANUAL OF THE GREEK NEW TESAMENT TESAMENT by DANA and MANTAY a well known Greek

scholars say that the GENTIVE CASE is the case of DEFINITION and there are more cases than these !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Jews were mostly the subject of Peter's preaching.

As we have no scripture of Peter preaching circumcision, your idea is unprovable.


Peter was a Jew, and was eating and otherwise mixing with Gentiles...until other Jews came to visit.
Where do you see him preaching circumcision ?

As for being saved, no man is saved until the day of judgement declares it.

Peter in Gal 2:12 Peter was eating with Gentiles and when those from James , Peter GRADUALALLY WITHDRAWING and

SEPARATING himself being AFRAID of the ones from the Circumcision .

THEN in verse 14 Peter , since you , being a Jew , live like a the Gentles and not after the manner of the Jews , why do you

compel the Gentiles to Adopt Jewish customs and RITIES ??

In verse 13 , Paul calls those with Peter HYPOCRITES .

dan p

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It means that our resurrection and judgement is dependent on our behavior while still alive.
Some think that once one converts to Christianity, there is no need to worry about future judgement.
Paul shows that judgement is still "up in the air".

ah, I see. So even though we still sin and fall short. and earn hell.. we can unearn the grace that God gave us..

I see..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul is still in his flesh. he looks for the day of his ressurection. in the mean time, He is running the race. working out what God gave him, so he does not ruin his own reputation. and turn of the light..

we all should have this fear.

 

[Hoping2]

ah, I see. So even though we still sin and fall short. and earn hell.. we can unearn the grace that God gave us..

I see..

Why would we continue to offend the one who died to save us ?
Love God, love your neighbor: what is so hard about that ?

 

[Hoping2]

Paul is still in his flesh. he looks for the day of his resurrection. in the mean time, He is running the race. working out what God gave him, so he does not ruin his own reputation. and turn OFF the light..

we all should have this fear.

Amen.
(I edited your post)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why would we continue to offend the one who died to save us ?

I would hope we would not. But we do it every day. every time you know to do good but instead don;t do it, you offend him

Love God, love your neighbor: what is so hard about that ?

If it was so easy. we could be sinless.. Adam could not even do this, why do you think you can?

 

[Hoping2]

I would hope we would not. But we do it every day. every time you know to do good but instead don;t do it, you offend him

Our perspectives are very different.

If it was so easy. we could be sinless..

Amen.

Adam could not even do this, why do you think you can?.

Rebirth from God's seed.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Our perspectives are very different.

Amen.

Rebirth from God's seed.

John 1: 8 if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us.

Adam was perfect. He did not have to sin he depended completely on God. And had perfect faith. Until he did not.

from that time on, he, as paul, struggled to serve God or self. Because of the flesh he built against God the moment he sinned, and the separation he felt.

Paul could not do what you evidently claim you do. Are you better then paul (well you say your better than Adam pre-fall. So I guess you would say your better than paul)?

 

[Hoping2]

John 1: 8 if we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us.

That person could have repented of sin, and then been able to walk in God-the light.
As it was, those who walk in darkness cannot say they have no sin.

Adam was perfect. He did not have to sin he depended completely on God. And had perfect faith. Until he did not.
from that time on, he, as paul, struggled to serve God or self. Because of the flesh he built against God the moment he sinned, and the separation he felt.

What sin did Paul commit after his turn from sin ?

Paul could not do what you evidently claim you do. Are you better then Paul (well you say your better than Adam pre-fall.

When did I say that ?

So I guess you would say your better than Paul)?

Again, what sin did Paul commit after he repented of sin ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That person could have repented of sin, and then been able to walk in God-the light.
As it was, those who walk in darkness cannot say they have no sin.

That person was the apostle John. And he said if he himself Claimed he was without sin he was decieved

I am not decieved. Are you?

 

[Hoping2]

That person was the apostle John. And he said if he himself Claimed he was without sin he was decieved

I am not decieved. Are you?

John was using an A-B, A-B, A-B style of writing in 1 John 1.
Like Paul did in Romans 8.
They used that method in order to juxtapose one position against another, counter position.
In 1 John 1, the positions were "in the light-God" juxtaposed with "in the darkness-sin".
In Rom 8, the positions were "in the Spirit" juxtaposed to "in the flesh".

In 1 John 1, verses 6, 8, and 10, apply to those walking in sin-darkness...and of course they cannot say they have no sin.
In verses 5, 7, and 9, apply to those who walk in God, (or are about to start that walk), who is the light, and in whom is no sin.
If one is walking in God, they must be able to say they have no sin.

As this topic is not really allowed here, I recommend going PM on this.
Or I will have to quit replying.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John was using an A-B, A-B, A-B style of writing in 1 John 1.
Like Paul did in Romans 8.
They used that method in order to juxtapose one position against another, counter position.
In 1 John 1, the positions were "in the light-God" juxtaposed with "in the darkness-sin".
In Rom 8, the positions were "in the Spirit" juxtaposed to "in the flesh".

In 1 John 1, verses 6, 8, and 10, apply to those walking in sin-darkness...and of course they cannot say they have no sin.
In verses 5, 7, and 9, apply to those who walk in God, (or are about to start that walk), who is the light, and in whom is no sin.
If one is walking in God, they must be able to say they have no sin.

As this topic is not really allowed here, I recommend going PM on this.
Or I will have to quit replying.

No my friend.

He said, If we (he included himself) claim we have no sin (all present tense) we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us.

I am moving on my friend If you can not understand that we are a work in progress, and think you already arrived, I can not help you. No one can.

 

[Hoping2]

No my friend.

He said, If we (he included himself) claim we have no sin (all present tense) we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us.

I am moving on my friend If you can not understand that we are a work in progress, and think you already arrived, I can not help you. No one can.

The "we" of verses 5, 7, and 9, is different than the "we" of verses 6, 8, and 10.
5, 7, and 9, walk in God...or are about to.
6, 8, and 10, walk on sin.
There is no revolving door between them.

 

[Dan Perez]

Peter in Gal 2:12 Peter was eating with Gentiles and when those from James , Peter GRADUALALLY WITHDRAWING and

SAPARATING himself being AFRAID of the ones from the Circumcision .

THEN in verse 14 Peter , since you , being a Jew , live like a the Gentles and not after the manner of the Jews , why do you

compel the Gentiles to Adopt Jewish customs and RITIES ??

In verse 13 , Paul calls those with Peter HYPOCRITES .

dan p

The "we" of verses 5, 7, and 9, is different than the "we" of verses 6, 8, and 10.
5, 7, and 9, walk in God...or are about to.
6, 8, and 10, walk on sin.
There is no revolving door between them.

And your thoughts on 1 john 5:18 We know that WHOSOEVER is born of God , SINNETH NOT , how do you handle

and the Greek word NOT // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE , can never ever sin !!
this verse , just ASKIING ??

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

And your thoughts on 1 john 5:18 We know that WHOSOEVER is born of God , SINNETH NOT , how do you handle

and the Greek word NOT // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE , can never ever sin !!
this verse , just ASKIING ??

dan p

I believe what is written.
If a fig tree is reborn as a grape vine, can it ever bring forth figs again ?
NO !
If a son of Adam is reborn as a son of God, can he ever bring forth Adam's fruit again ?
NO !

How do you handle 1 John 5:18 ?

 

[Dan Perez]

I believe what is written.
If a fig tree is reborn as a grape vine, can it ever bring forth figs again ?
NO !
If a son of Adam is reborn as a son of God, can he ever bring forth Adam's fruit again ?
NO !

How do you handle 1 John 5:18 ?

This time period can NEVER happen when Christ comes for the BODY of CHRIST , period !!

# 1 I believe this time period happens the GREAT TRIBULATION !!

# 2 The Greek word in verse 18 , is WE know that whosoever is born of God SINNETH NOT !!

#3 The Greek word sinneth NOT // MU is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and that means , that during the

GREAT TRIBULATION , Israel can NEVER SIN !!

dan p

 

[Hoping2]

This time period can NEVER happen when Christ comes for the BODY of CHRIST , period !!

What time period is 1 John referring to ?
It seems all inclusive to me.

# 1 I believe this time period happens the GREAT TRIBULATION !!

What time period are you talking about ?

# 2 The Greek word in verse 18 , is WE know that whosoever is born of God SINNETH NOT !!

I agree.
Those who have been crucified with Christ, and raised with Him to walk in newness of life, will not sin again.

#3 The Greek word sinneth NOT // MU is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and that means , that during the

GREAT TRIBULATION , Israel can NEVER SIN !!

That is quite a leap in reasoning.
Who is being addressed in 1 John ?
Isn't it all believers ?

 

[Dan Perez]

What time period is 1 John referring to ?
It seems all inclusive to me.

What time period are you talking about ?

I agree.
Those who have been crucified with Christ, and raised with Him to walk in newness of life, will not sin again.

That is quite a leap in reasoning.
Who is being addressed in 1 John ?
Isn't it all believers ?

I wa going to reply to Phil 3: 11 , but some one is BLOCKING me < sorry !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

I sure do and read 1 Cor 6-15 and 2 Cor 10 , called the BEMA SEAT !!

dan p

I meant 1 Cor 3:10 - 16 !!