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Message sent is not message received. I have no idea what you are writing here of.
The Latin for the Greek mysterion is mysterium, it is not sacramentum.
sacramentum: We know what a sacrament is: a sign that achieves what it signifies. In other words, sacraments are both symbols of God's grace and they are also channels through which we actually receive that grace. But where did this word come from? Sacramentum is the Latin translation of the Greek mysterion, meaning mystery. In this sense a sacrament is "the sign of something sacred and hidden," according to the Catholic Encyclopedia. We can see in sacrament the root that led to words like sacred. In this sense, sacramentum means a consecrating — certainly a fitting way to describe the sacraments. Sacramentum also had two other meanings: asum deposited in a civil process or a guaranty and an oath of allegiance. We can think of the grace we receive from sacraments as a deposit of God's grace in us. This is what is meant by the Church's description of the Eucharist as the "pledge of future glory." The second definition is also applicable. For example, in the sacrament of confirmation, we renounce Satan and pledge our allegiance to God. 12 Latin Words that Shaped the Faith
Odd that you say that, it is in the concordance in my Vulgate bible.
What?! You're claiming deeper knowledge of Greek and Latin than saint Jerome had? I cannot help but laugh at that claim because of its absurdity.
Greek and Latin are not international secrets. . .
In the Greek, mysterion is something newly revealed, not revealed before--mystery.
I find no new information in your latest post compared to the previous one, hence I have nothing further to add. If you choose not to accept the definitions from a Latin to English lexicon, nor those from a Greek to Latin lexicon, you are entitled to your perspective. I take solace in the fact that those qualified to compile lexicons have offered clear definitions, and that Saint Jerome's work is a reference they consult.
Clare73 sure has a bee in her bonnet against the word "sacrament." It is a historical theological word maybe 1500 years old. History has no problem with it apparently until Clare73 came along. I have alot of respect for her but this recent rant of her is bizarre and completely nonsensical. Perhaps she is fighting against conscience. We don't know. She sure got rattled today.
I am wondering why the word "ordinance" would offend you. One definition from Meriam Webster's dictionary is: something ordained or decreed by fate or a deity. Are not baptism and the Lord's Supper ordained by God?
This is the distinction between Law and Gospel. Ordinance is Law. Sacrament is Gospel. For Baptists and American Evangelicals, Baptism is man's work through human hands. For the rest of us, (Lutherans, Calvinists, Anglicans, Methodists, RCC and the Orthodox) Baptism is God's work through human hands.
