What does it matter?

[Uphill Battle]

First off, this is not a thread where I intend this to be an argument about Marain doctrines, whether true or false. In fact, for the purpose of this thread, we shall assume that they ARE true.

now, if they ARE true, what does it matter?

to the average Christian, who does not adhere to those teachings, tell me how rejecting them

1 Affects there salvation in any way shape or form
2 Affects their walk with Christ in any way shape or form
3 Affects there eternity in any way shape or form.

near as I can tell, not adhering to Marian Dogmas, true or not, have no real effect on the spiritual condition of the individual believer.

what, if any effects does holding believes contrary to those teachings are there? bear in mind, this thread presupposes that they are true, whether or not I believe them.

 

[Rhamiel]

If you reject Marian Dogmas YOU GO TO HELL...
just kidding, it does not affect your salvation but it might give you a slanted view of Our Savior. Proper devotion to Mary brings you closer to Christ.

 

[repentant]

It depends on what beliefs or Dogmas you are talking about. IN the EOC, all Dogmas and Doctrines have only to do with part or all of the Trinity. So if there is a Dogma about Mary, it's not for her, but for Christ.

 

[Latreia]

First off, this is not a thread where I intend this to be an argument about Marain doctrines, whether true or false. In fact, for the purpose of this thread, we shall assume that they ARE true.

now, if they ARE true, what does it matter?

to the average Christian, who does not adhere to those teachings, tell me how rejecting them

1 Affects there salvation in any way shape or form
2 Affects their walk with Christ in any way shape or form
3 Affects there eternity in any way shape or form.

near as I can tell, not adhering to Marian Dogmas, true or not, have no real effect on the spiritual condition of the individual believer.

what, if any effects does holding believes contrary to those teachings are there? bear in mind, this thread presupposes that they are true, whether or not I believe them.

"Even if Christianity were not 'myth' " and "even if God did 'not exist", what would it matter?

Whenever anyone says about any aspect of faith and tradition and veneration "what does it matter?" and we are expected to accept that as truth, then next step will always be, "here's another thing you believe that does not matter...."

And so on. Then, perhaps, Christianity will no longer matter to the world.

 

[Uphill Battle]

It depends on what beliefs or Dogmas you are talking about. IN the EOC, all Dogmas and Doctrines have only to do with part or all of the Trinity. So if there is a Dogma about Mary, it's not for her, but for Christ.

I'd be interested to know what Marian Dogma has to do with the trinity.

 

[IamAdopted]

"Even if Christianity were not 'myth' " and "even if God did 'not exist", what would it matter?

Whenever anyone says about any aspect of faith and tradition and veneration "what does it matter?" and we are expected to accept that as truth, then next step will always be, "here's another thing you believe that does not matter...."

And so on. Then, perhaps, Christianity will no longer matter to the world.

Well even if it were true. Our salvation is still in Christ alone. Mary has no imput to our salvation or the grace that God gave us in Christ..

 

[Uphill Battle]

"Even if Christianity were not 'myth' " and "even if God did 'not exist", what would it matter?

Whenever anyone says about any aspect of faith and tradition and veneration "what does it matter?" and we are expected to accept that as truth, then next step will always be, "here's another thing you believe that does not matter...."

And so on. Then, perhaps, Christianity will no longer matter to the world.

that isn't the point.

the point I'm trying to figure out is, even if the Marian Dogmas are true, of what impact does that have on the salvation or Christianity of one who does not believe it?

You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[NewToLife]

One wonders why you spend such an amount of time participating in and starting arguements/discussions about things you contend are unimportant.

You ought to be able to simply live and let live if this is all trivia, no?

 

[Uphill Battle]

One wonders why you spend such an amount of time participating in and starting arguements/discussions about things you contend are unimportant.

You ought to be able to simply live and let live if this is all trivia, no?

I'm just trying to figure it all out.

This wasn't a statment that "it doesn't matter" it's a question, DOES it matter.

 

[Iollain]

that isn't the point.

the point I'm trying to figure out is, even if the Marian Dogmas are true, of what impact does that have on the salvation or Christianity of one who does not believe it?

You're comparing apples and oranges.

If the Marian dogmas are true then the Chruch is the RCC.

If they are not true then this Mary attention is blasphemy against God.

 

[StTherese]

If the Marian dogmas are true then the Chruch is the RCC.

If they are not true then this Mary attention is blasphemy against God.

How could attention on the mother of our savior be blasphemy against God?

 

[Iollain]

How could attention on the mother of our savior be blasphemy against God?

Oh it could be just as simple as it is.

 

[StTherese]

Well even if it were true. Our salvation is still in Christ alone. Mary has no imput to our salvation or the grace that God gave us in Christ..

Not true...Mary does have a part in that she agreed to birth our savior...

Why does it matter?
Well, what if Mary had not been obedient to God and agreed to bear His Son?

 

[StTherese]

Oh it could be just as simple as it is.

or Not!

are you saying there is no reason this could be blasphemous? Just because you say (or believe) it is?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Not true...Mary does have a part in that she agreed to birth our savior...

Why does it matter?
Well, what if Mary had not been obedient to God and agreed to bear His Son?

then he wouldn't have chosen her.

The incarnation did not hinge on the say-so of Mary.

 

[StTherese]

then he wouldn't have chosen her.

The incarnation did not hinge on the say-so of Mary.

So Mary was created without free will? She did not HAVE to agree...she CHOSE to accept God's will!

 

[Iollain]

or Not!

are you saying there is no reason this could be blasphemous? Just because you say (or believe) it is?

If you cannot seee the reasons then nothing i say could ever convince you of it, i'm sure of that.

 

[Uphill Battle]

So Mary was created without free will? She did not HAVE to agree...she CHOSE to accept God's will!

If there was someone more suited to the task than Mary, God would have chosen her.

You think God didn't know before hand? Please.

 

[NewToLife]

then he wouldn't have chosen her.

The incarnation did not hinge on the say-so of Mary.

It's frightening the length some protestants will go to in order to deny Mary any honour. Following this logic to its conclusion we have no free will.......

 

[Uphill Battle]

It's frightening the length some protestants will go to in order to deny Mary any honour. Following this logic to its conclusion we have no free will.......

Please step down from the pulpit and realize that nobody is dishounoring Mary. Are you seriously suggesting that She could have thwarted God?