What does it matter?

[Uphill Battle]

A subtle variation of Poisoning the well?

nah, just calling the shot, like M.J.

you know very well that's the argument that is presented for this case.

 

[NewToLife]

you know very well that's the argument that is presented for this case.

Indeed, yet it is not rendered any the less persuasive because it is repeated.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Indeed, yet it is not rendered any the less persuasive because it is repeated.

nor more so, my friend.

 

[Rick Otto]

She WASN'T asked, she WAS told, but even tho I believe in predestination, she DID have a choice.
Predestination doesn't eliminate will, it just renders the idea of volitional freedom, an illusion.

 

[racer]

She WASN'T asked, she WAS told, but even tho I believe in predestination, she DID have a choice.
Predestination doesn't eliminate will, it just renders the idea of volitional freedom, an illusion.

Let's discuss this in depth. See my thread, "When Did Mary Say Yes?"

 

[sunlover1]

She WASN'T asked, she WAS told, but even tho I believe in predestination, she DID have a choice.

I agree with Rick.
Not much of a choice, but...

Like the choice Saul/Paul had
or the choice Moses had.

A persuaded choice.

 

[PassthePeace1]

I don't know...it's more fun..

So if someone says, "Let's agree, to disagree", and yet the other person, continues....then is that person, just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Yes google, the definitive source for all knowledge...

Which lead me to Strong's Lexicon, if you know of one better, would you please post or PM me the link.

You been on here for 48 hours...?

No, having trouble sleeping the past few days.

Peace be with you...Pam

 

[repentant]

http://www.kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon

Το λεξικό βρήκε 1 λέξη.
The dictionary found 1 word.

πάς = all entire whole ( masc )
pas

 

[PassthePeace1]

http://www.kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon

Το λεξικό βρήκε 1 λέξη.
The dictionary found 1 word.

πάς = all entire whole ( masc )
pas

Thanks I put it in my favorites.

Peace be with you...Pam

 

[repentant]

Thanks I put it in my favorites.

Peace be with you...Pam

Get some sleep.

 

[PassthePeace1]

Get some sleep.

Thanks, I'll try..

 

[sunlover1]

No, having trouble sleeping the past few days.

Peace be with you...Pam

That's very bad Pam.
Our bodies need that time for
cell repair.
I will be praying for you.

 

[Rick Otto]

to explore & share all the different ways we disagree, even after we've agreed we disagree.
I even enjoy being made fun of, if it is more about being clever & funny than realy puttin' the other person down.

I tend not to take it personaly automaticaly because it is a bigger unspoken agreement between us that this stuff matters more to us than the vast majority who don't even care one way or the other.
I frame the whole competitiveness in that positive frame.

 

[Uphill Battle]

to explore & share all the different ways we disagree, even after we've agreed we disagree.
I even enjoy being made fun of, if it is more about being clever & funny than realy puttin' the other person down.

I tend not to take it personaly automaticaly because it is a bigger unspoken agreement between us that this stuff matters more to us than the vast majority who don't even care one way or the other.
I frame the whole competitiveness in that positive frame.

shoot... I was going to tell you you smell like cheese.

but that isn't clever.

 

[sunlover1]

shoot... I was going to tell you you smell like cheese.

but that isn't clever.

Not to mention Ricks got the
market cornered on being punny.

I love your humor Rick!
Sometimes over my head,
but I try.
You should pass out a thesaurus
with your posts.

 

[Rick Otto]

in cheeses.

 

[Uphill Battle]

in cheeses.

Bwahahahahaha!

 

[billinjacksonNJ]

First off, this is not a thread where I intend this to be an argument about Marain doctrines, whether true or false. In fact, for the purpose of this thread, we shall assume that they ARE true.

now, if they ARE true, what does it matter?

to the average Christian, who does not adhere to those teachings, tell me how rejecting them

1 Affects there salvation in any way shape or form
2 Affects their walk with Christ in any way shape or form
3 Affects there eternity in any way shape or form.

near as I can tell, not adhering to Marian Dogmas, true or not, have no real effect on the spiritual condition of the individual believer.

what, if any effects does holding believes contrary to those teachings are there? bear in mind, this thread presupposes that they are true, whether or not I believe them.

It's a cold dark world, so it's always nice to have a Mothers embrace!

In Christ

Bill

 

[Uphill Battle]

It's a cold dark world, so it's always nice to have a Mothers embrace!

In Christ

Bill

so, in answer to point 1, 2, and 3?

and in this cold Dark world, I'd much prefer the loving embrace of my Lord and Saviour instead, thanks.

 

[Rick Otto]

I'm past 50 and it just doesn't have the attraction it use to.
More to my liking is having someone still want & need MY embrace.