What does having 96% chimp dna mean to you?

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Thanks for the QED.

what, that you're mistaken?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Jeremiah 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

What if it was Satan pulling a fast one to stop us all finding out what God did through and from his creation directly? If I was the Devil, I'd be going out of my way to convince all God's faithful to ignore the evidence from God's creation and just believe the written word of fallible men whom I'd be easily able to manipulate to my own ends...

....either that, or all these Fundamentalists are right and it's actually Satan who's more powerful than God because he can influence and manipulate us all in this Universe and God can't do anything about it....? perhaps Satanists know something we don't after all?

 

[AV1611VET]

What if it was Satan pulling a fast one to stop us all finding out what God did through and from his creation directly?

Satan isn't smart enough to have written the Bible, and he's not powerful enough to have preserved It through the ages.

 

[Waggles]

Oh, the irony of criticizing the quest for knowledge by posting on the Internet.
Also, what is it with fundamentalist views and this idea that learning new things is a weakness? Never understood that.

But you are not learning new things.
You keep on having to change the narrative because "new things"
keep discrediting your previous lies.

 

[DogmaHunter]

But you are not learning new things.
You keep on having to change the narrative because "new things"
keep discrediting your previous lies.

That's what learning new things does: correct previously held views.

When you think that A equals B and then new evidence shows that A actually equals C, which is slightly different from B...
Then 2 things happen:
- the view that A = B is discarded
- the new view that A = C, and that C is similar to B but not the same, is now accepted


It's called learning and it's a good thing.
It's this process that made it possible for you to read this post.

 

[Waggles]

A deception is a deception.
A house of cards built on the sand.
And like all narratives built on a lie it requires more deception
to keep up its credibility.

If you want to put your faith in a lie; a great deception, then your choice.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Satan isn't smart enough to have written the Bible, and he's not powerful enough to have preserved It through the ages.

How do you know that? Besides, he wouldn't have to "write" the bible, or preserve it either for that matter, He'd only have to taint it with contradictions, or change a few phrases here and there even if they didn't contradict to achieve that goal - then followers of the Torah, then Bible, then Qur'An would preserve the word throughout the ages without him having to do anything if he didn't want to...

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know that?

Let's end this charade right now, shall we?

Do you believe that?

If not, mind if I don't believe it either?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Let's end this charade right now, shall we?

No. Why do you believe what you believe? You seem to think that reality is fake and your imagination is real. That's the sort of thinking that is dangerous for everyone around you. I am genuinely interested in how you come to your beliefs, what epistemology do you use to come to a fact, and how do you know you're not just a wilful party to your own fantasy?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do you believe what you believe?

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

but Why are you taking the bible at its word? How did you take this position in the first place before you believed? This could also be read as "What if you were given the Torah or Qur'An as your ultimate authority instead", would you have just believed either of those at face value too?

 

[Skreeper]

A deception is a deception.
A house of cards built on the sand.
And like all narratives built on a lie it requires more deception
to keep up its credibility.

If you want to put your faith in a lie; a great deception, then your choice.

You just described the Christian faith.

 

[bhsmte]

A deception is a deception.
A house of cards built on the sand.
And like all narratives built on a lie it requires more deception
to keep up its credibility.

If you want to put your faith in a lie; a great deception, then your choice.

This feels like projection.

 

[pitabread]

A deception is a deception.
A house of cards built on the sand.
And like all narratives built on a lie it requires more deception
to keep up its credibility.

You've just described creationism perfectly.

 

[AV1611VET]

but Why are you taking the bible at its word?

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

How did you take this position in the first place before you believed?

I went to church, the Bible was preached, I instinctively responded to the altar call, and Jesus saved me.

This could also be read as "What if you were given the Torah or Qur'An as your ultimate authority instead", would you have just believed either of those at face value too?

This is what I don't think you understand:

Hebrews 4:12a For the word of God is quick,

If you learn what that means, hopefully you'll realize it means that the Bible is a live Book that speaks to Its hearers.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.I went to church, the Bible was preached, I instinctively responded to the altar call, and Jesus saved me.This is what I don't think you understand:

Hebrews 4:12a For the word of God is quick,

If you learn what that means, hopefully you'll realize it means that the Bible is a live Book that speaks to Its hearers.

Not sure how you're missing the point - Before you get to believing the Bible or what someone else who already believes in the Bible says, why would you believe what the bible has to say in the first place?

 

[AV1611VET]

Not sure how you're missing the point - Before you get to believing the Bible or what someone else who already believes in the Bible says, why would you believe what the bible has to say in the first place?

As I said, call it a sixth sense, call it ESP, call it telepathy, call it an impression on my engrams, call it what you want.

I prefer to call it "getting under conviction."

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

As I said, call it a sixth sense, call it ESP, call it telepathy, call it an impression on my engrams, call it what you want.

I prefer to call it "getting under conviction."

so, exactly the same reason given by all the other believers of all the other religions then. Got it.

 

[AV1611VET]

so, exactly the same reason given by all the other believers of all the other religions then.

Beats me. Is that what they all say?

Got it.

Aren't you academians supposed to investigate this stuff on your own?

You know ... like going to church and seeing for yourself and all?

Or is that too much work?

But on the other hand, not all scientific methodists do field work, either.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Beats me. Is that what they all say?

Aren't you academians supposed to investigate this stuff on your own?

You know ... like going to church and seeing for yourself and all?

Or is that too much work?

But on the other hand, not all scientific methodists do field work, either.

I've been to a few churches now, and I imagine I'll be along to a few more before this body gets too weary. Any scientific endeavour should continue to be tested, so yes, I do investigate this stuff when time permits (my kids go to a christian private school even, so I sometimes go to their church events too). You are another datapoint in my investigation, because any investigation worth its salt includes all of the evidence, not cherry-picked bits that agree with a predisposition.