What Does Daniel Prophecy Mean By He Will Think to Change Times and Laws

[victorinus]

Antiochus does not fit all the requirements of the little horn power like the papacy does

you can make anything fit

 

[victorinus]

The five major powers are Babylon, Media-Persia, Greek, Pagan Rome, and the papacy

how many divisions does the pope have?

 

[Hal A Peno]

cjk

 

[BABerean2]

History realizes nothing prophetic for the last days.

Peter's Sermon at Pentecost

Act 2:14　 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.　
Act 2:15　 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.　
Act 2:16　 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:　
Act 2:17　 'AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE LAST DAYS, SAYS GOD, THAT I WILL POUR OUT OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH; YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS.　
Act 2:18　 AND ON MY MENSERVANTS AND ON MY MAIDSERVANTS I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT IN THOSE DAYS; AND THEY SHALL PROPHESY.　
Act 2:19　 I WILL SHOW WONDERS IN HEAVEN ABOVE AND SIGNS IN THE EARTH BENEATH: BLOOD AND FIRE AND VAPOR OF SMOKE.　
Act 2:20　 THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND AWESOME DAY OF THE LORD.　
Act 2:21　 AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS THAT WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.'　
Act 2:22　 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—　
Act 2:23　 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;　
Act 2:24　 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.　


The Uppercase text above comes from the Old Testament.

Brother JGR is one of those helping to eliminates much of the confusion you speak of.

Take a deep breath and cut him some slack. We are all made of flesh.

Let the Spirit operate when dealing with those of a different opinion.

I love you, Brother Hal.

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[victorinus]

There's no such thing as a historical fulfillment of an end-time prophecy

how do you determine what is an end time prophecy?

 

[CDF47]

According to my Preterist interpretation, 1500 AD marked the end of the Millennium and onset of the End Times (Rev 20:7), "right on schedule" at the beginning of the "8th Biblical Day" (=8th millennium) from Creation around 5500 BC. According to the Secrets of Enoch (33:1),

And I appointed the eighth day also, that the eighth day should be the first-created after my work, and that (the first seven) revolve in the form of the seventh thousand, and that at the beginning of the eighth thousand there should be a time of not-counting, endless, with neither years nor months nor weeks nor days nor hours. ​

I perceive the 16th century AD Gregorian calendar reform to be "right on schedule" and fulfill that Prophesy, as there were 11 days "skipped" which were not counted, in any year / month / week / day / hour.

Prima facie, human history on earth has been "railed" onto a "scheduled Prophetic itinerary" for 7500 years. "God in heaven" can accurately "shot call" human history down on earth 500 to 2000 years in advance, with a precision of at worst a year or two every few centuries.

Insofar as no Scripture makes mention of any "9th Biblical Day", so I would wager that Judgement Day (Rev 20:10 = 2 Pet 3:10) will occur between now (= Biblical Day count 7.5) and ~2500 AD (= Biblical Day count 8.0).

That's an interesting take. I am an Amillennialist as well but I think the end times began upon Christ's death but you make an interesting argument.

 

[CDF47]

I think the false prophet is a man and the antichrist and it's history

The false prophet could be a man and the antichrist but then I wouldn't see Islam anywhere in the Bible so I think the system of Islam is called the false prophet after Mohammed.

 

[CDF47]

you can make anything fit

Not true. Putting together all the prophecies about the beast and little horn are specific after understanding the symbols.

 

[CDF47]

how many divisions does the pope have?

I see the office of the pope as the office of the antichrists. Although, however, I do believe there have been some good popes and some of them were killed.

 

[jgr]

There's no such thing as a historical fulfillment of an end-time prophecy.

It was an end-time prophecy.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

last days = end-time

The end-time began in the New Testament era of the book of Hebrews.

The papacy as described in Scripture began hundreds of years later, and ended in the 18th century.

It was an end-time prophecy.

 

[Erik Nelson]

It was an end-time prophecy.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

last days = end-time

The end-time began in the New Testament era of the book of Hebrews.

The papacy as described in Scripture began hundreds of years later, and ended in the 18th century.

It was an end-time prophecy.

I understand that that specific usage is plural, having an "s" on the end, i.e. "Last Days".

That may be distinct from the very last singular Biblical "Day".

According to my current understanding, the NT was written two thousand years ago, on "Biblical Day count 5.5" (using the LXX chronology dating Creation to c.5500 BC), i.e. half way through the sixth Biblical Day = sixth Biblical millennium. The "Last Days" (plural) referred to the "Biblical weekend" = "Biblical Friday night (count 5.5-6)" + "Biblical Saturday Sabbath (count 6.0-7) of Christian Millennium (Rev 20:1-6)" + "Biblical Sunday (count 7.0-8) of End Time (Rev 20:7-9)".

According to this scenario, Judgement Day (Rev 20:10+) is scheduled for (some-when between now and) c.2500 AD. I.e. "Biblical Monday".

Once you high-light plural vs. singular forms, there are no incompatible contradictions -- the Apostles spoke of "these Last Days (count 5.5 - 8.0)" not to be confused with "the one singular very Last Day of the End Time (Rev 20:7-9 = count 7.0-8)". It all aligns and makes self-consistent sense.

 

[Erik Nelson]

The false prophet could be a man and the antichrist but then I wouldn't see Islam anywhere in the Bible so I think the system of Islam is called the false prophet after Mohammed.

This is a very sensitive issue. Saying nothing lets things get worse. Saying anything allows others to claim they feel "provoked".

According to 1400-year old Muslim tradition (docu-drama Fetih 1453), Muhammad prophesied that eventually Muslim armies would conquer Constantinople.

Such conquest occurred in 1453 AD, and Sultan Mehmet (Muhammad) the Conqueror has been viewed as the physical fulfillment of Muhammad's ancient prophesy for nearly 600 years.

According to a Preterist interpretation of Revelations, one may identify Christian emperor Constantine as the physical manifestation of the "Christian conqueror figure" (Rev 19) and the thousand-year Christian Byzantine empire of Constantinople (4th/5th-15th centuries AD) as the physical fulfillment of the Christian Millennium (Rev 20).

Accordingly, the conquest of Constantinople was Prophesied (implicitly) to Christians in Revelations and (somehow) to Muslims via Muhammad (explicitly). All the Abrahamic Prophesies align, and identify the armies of the Sultan as the Prophesied "agent" to end the Christian Millennium, unleash Evil, and usher in the End Time (Rev 20:7-9) of the Last Biblical Day (c.1500-2500 AD)... as Judgement Day (Rev 20:10+) is "stealthing in on final approach" (as it were).

Please note, that according to various A&E and History Channel documentaries, at the peak of their power in Europe (1450-1700 AD), from the conquest of Constantinople to the second Siege of Vienna, the Ottomans are known to have financially supported Protestants throughout "Germanic" central Europe (to undermine Catholics) & organized crime throughout "Slavic" eastern Europe (to undermine Orthodox Russia), whilst meanwhile outright reports of abject Satanism were widespread throughout all European communities (cp. Salem 1692 AD). Uncritically accepting the claims gives the appearance of a mentality, to the effect, that "Jihad (for the "Lord of worlds") justifies everything".

According to the above Preterist interpretation of Revelation, the same aligns precisely with other purported Abrahamic Prophesies, and identifies the Sultan's conquest of Constantinople as the scheduled physical manifestation of the extinguishment of the Christian Millennium and unleashing of Evil upon the planet (Rev 20:7).

From there, it also seems easy to identify other modern trends as the expected fulfillment of Rev 20:8-9 and related Scriptural passages. E.g. Protestant Lutheran Germany in WWI supported the rise of Communism in Russia, which it then dominated from 1917 thru Hitler's "surprise invasion until Afghanistan etc.

 

[CDF47]

This is a very sensitive issue. Saying nothing lets things get worse. Saying anything allows others to claim they feel "provoked".

According to 1400-year old Muslim tradition (docu-drama Fetih 1453), Muhammad prophesied that eventually Muslim armies would conquer Constantinople.

Such conquest occurred in 1453 AD, and Sultan Mehmet (Muhammad) the Conqueror has been viewed as the physical fulfillment of Muhammad's ancient prophesy for nearly 600 years.

According to a Preterist interpretation of Revelations, one may identify Christian emperor Constantine as the physical manifestation of the "Christian conqueror figure" (Rev 19) and the thousand-year Christian Byzantine empire of Constantinople (4th/5th-15th centuries AD) as the physical fulfillment of the Christian Millennium (Rev 20).

Accordingly, the conquest of Constantinople was Prophesied (implicitly) to Christians in Revelations and (somehow) to Muslims via Muhammad (explicitly). All the Abrahamic Prophesies align, and identify the armies of the Sultan as the Prophesied "agent" to end the Christian Millennium, unleash Evil, and usher in the End Time (Rev 20:7-9) of the Last Biblical Day (c.1500-2500 AD)... as Judgement Day (Rev 20:10+) is "stealthing in on final approach" (as it were).

Please note, that according to various A&E and History Channel documentaries, at the peak of their power in Europe (1450-1700 AD), from the conquest of Constantinople to the second Siege of Vienna, the Ottomans are known to have financially supported Protestants throughout "Germanic" central Europe (to undermine Catholics) & organized crime throughout "Slavic" eastern Europe (to undermine Orthodox Russia), whilst meanwhile outright reports of abject Satanism were widespread throughout all European communities (cp. Salem 1692 AD). Uncritically accepting the claims gives the appearance of a mentality, to the effect, that "Jihad (for the "Lord of worlds") justifies everything".

According to the above Preterist interpretation of Revelation, the same aligns precisely with other purported Abrahamic Prophesies, and identifies the Sultan's conquest of Constantinople as the scheduled physical manifestation of the extinguishment of the Christian Millennium and unleashing of Evil upon the planet (Rev 20:7).

From there, it also seems easy to identify other modern trends as the expected fulfillment of Rev 20:8-9 and related Scriptural passages. E.g. Protestant Lutheran Germany in WWI supported the rise of Communism in Russia, which it then dominated from 1917 thru Hitler's "surprise invasion until Afghanistan etc.

Some well thought out information to consider. Thanks for posting this.