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Fist and foremost get the non-negotiable "born anew" aboard so others can actually enter in the Kingdom of God, ie, not the replaced 'faith' (Trumpets) of today, but a true faith then let's get our pinkys dirty for the Truth. Why do it for a lie?
...The gospel tells me to be pure of heart, meek, to hunger after righteousness, and to be humble; none of these things is easy or a finished work but I think I'd rather be on the path to obeying the call to follow Jesus in those things than I would on the path to getting my tribulation theory right....
What would you consider 'true faith'?
Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.
Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.
What exactly are you claiming I knowingly / unknowingly believe in?What would you consider 'true faith'?Fist and foremost get the non-negotiable "born anew" aboard so others can actually enter in the Kingdom of God, ie, not the replaced 'faith' (Trumpets) of today, but a true faith then let's get our pinkys dirty for the Truth. Why do it for a lie? Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.
It is a mystery
Brother shturt678 threw in a little Latin and now everything seems obfuscated and a little confusing - hence the mystery.
Catholics are sticklers for documenting things. So, naturally, we have documented the way we use the word "faith" in our Catechism. The entry in the CCC glossary says that Faith isboth a gift of God and a human act by which the believer gives personal adherence to God who invites his response, and freely assents to the whole truth that God has revealed. It is this revelation of God which the Church proposes for our belief, and which we profess in the Creed, celebrate in the sacraments, live by right conduct that fulfills the twofold commandment of charity (as specified in the ten commandments), and respond to in our prayer of faith. Faith is both a theological virtue given by God as grace, and an obligation which flows from the first commandment of God.Perhaps dear brother shturt678 will expand on his thought in the light of the glossary entry. If he has any questions about the entry - for the sake of clarification - I will try to accommodate him as best I can.
Cheers and many blessing from God to you both.
Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.
Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture. There are some doctrines (salvation by grace through faith and not of works Eph 2:8-9) that I see as non-negotiable.
Others (Jesus clearly taught a post-tribualtion rapture in Matthew 24) I view as important but not worth breaking fellowship over.
All Scripture is God breathed, so it's all important.
What doctrines do you view add non negotiable? It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, my post certainly isn't
A few I can think of
1) Christians are sinless
2) Jesus took up the worlds sin at his baptism, not his cross
3) his cross was the judgment of all sin
4) the world is without sin in christ, but apart they are in sin. this is due to christ already paying the debts for sin.
5) christians dont pray for forgiveness
those are a few that makes me distance my self from others who hold opposing views
Are you that same chick that used to post under the name "hl2" and a few others? If you are, your modus operandi is pretty conspicuous.
My point being. I'm big on Bible and less so on focusing on specific terminology. Not that I'm unaware of it. Classifying and terming things has it's place but I think it can be too focused on as opposed to simply focusing on the Bible and what it is communicating in context regardless of one's associated church etc. By context I mean all scriptures weighed against one another. I also think it's important I speak plainly so that others who are not familiar with certain terms can understand. ...a conscious decision...
II Corinthians 4:2 (focusing on the second part)
2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyones conscience in the sight of God.
(sorta?) Lucid and to the point.
Let's make an inference that we can all take to the bank, ie, the RCC's faith is no better nor worse than the modern Lutherans of today. Secondly we can agree to agree that all those receiving IIThess.2:11, 12 today are unaware; however will be made aware upon one's passing. See, there are areas that we can agree to agree over a good cup of Kona coffee.
I am not sure I want to agree* to your proposal because it seems to be another bit of mystery dressed in a short passage from scripture. What do you mean when you citeFor this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
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For this forum , the only doctrines that can be considered as non-negotiable are those in the forum's creed - none else . The great thing is that , as written , even they can be interpreted in a myriad of ways .Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture. There are some doctrines (salvation by grace through faith and not of works Eph 2:8-9) that I see as non-negotiable.
Others (Jesus clearly taught a post-tribualtion rapture in Matthew 24) I view as important but not worth breaking fellowship over.
All Scripture is God breathed, so it's all important.
What doctrines do you view add non negotiable? It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, my post certainly isn't
I believe the utmost is what Paul said. He said we are to preach Christ. How He died on the cross and was buried for three days and on the third day He rose again.. For Christ is our savior.. Preach Him crucified and risen to the saving of Souls..
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