What doctrines are non-negotiable?

[Colleen1]

Fist and foremost get the non-negotiable "born anew" aboard so others can actually enter in the Kingdom of God, ie, not the replaced 'faith' (Trumpets) of today, but a true faith then let's get our pinkys dirty for the Truth. Why do it for a lie?

What would you consider 'true faith'?

 

[Colleen1]

...The gospel tells me to be pure of heart, meek, to hunger after righteousness, and to be humble; none of these things is easy or a finished work but I think I'd rather be on the path to obeying the call to follow Jesus in those things than I would on the path to getting my tribulation theory right....

agree

 

[shturt678]

What would you consider 'true faith'?

Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.

By putting faith in quotation marks, are insinuating Catholics have an illegitimate and/or no faith at all?

 

[Colleen1]

Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.

What exactly are you claiming I knowingly / unknowingly believe in?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Fist and foremost get the non-negotiable "born anew" aboard so others can actually enter in the Kingdom of God, ie, not the replaced 'faith' (Trumpets) of today, but a true faith then let's get our pinkys dirty for the Truth. Why do it for a lie?

What would you consider 'true faith'?

Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.

What exactly are you claiming I knowingly / unknowingly believe in?

It is a mystery

Brother shturt678 threw in a little Latin and now everything seems obfuscated and a little confusing - hence the mystery.

Catholics are sticklers for documenting things. So, naturally, we have documented the way we use the word "faith" in our Catechism. The entry in the CCC glossary says that Faith is

both a gift of God and a human act by which the believer gives personal adherence to God who invites his response, and freely assents to the whole truth that God has revealed. It is this revelation of God which the Church proposes for our belief, and which we profess in the Creed, celebrate in the sacraments, live by right conduct that fulfills the twofold commandment of charity (as specified in the ten commandments), and respond to in our prayer of faith. Faith is both a theological virtue given by God as grace, and an obligation which flows from the first commandment of God.​

Perhaps dear brother shturt678 will expand on his thought in the light of the glossary entry. If he has any questions about the entry - for the sake of clarification - I will try to accommodate him as best I can.

Cheers and many blessing from God to you both.

 

[shturt678]

It is a mystery

Brother shturt678 threw in a little Latin and now everything seems obfuscated and a little confusing - hence the mystery.

Catholics are sticklers for documenting things. So, naturally, we have documented the way we use the word "faith" in our Catechism. The entry in the CCC glossary says that Faith is

both a gift of God and a human act by which the believer gives personal adherence to God who invites his response, and freely assents to the whole truth that God has revealed. It is this revelation of God which the Church proposes for our belief, and which we profess in the Creed, celebrate in the sacraments, live by right conduct that fulfills the twofold commandment of charity (as specified in the ten commandments), and respond to in our prayer of faith. Faith is both a theological virtue given by God as grace, and an obligation which flows from the first commandment of God.​

Perhaps dear brother shturt678 will expand on his thought in the light of the glossary entry. If he has any questions about the entry - for the sake of clarification - I will try to accommodate him as best I can.

Cheers and many blessing from God to you both.

(sorta?) Lucid and to the point.

Let's make an inference that we can all take to the bank, ie, the RCC's faith is no better nor worse than the modern Lutherans of today. Secondly we can agree to agree that all those receiving IIThess.2:11, 12 today are unaware; however will be made aware upon one's passing. See, there are areas that we can agree to agree over a good cup of Kona coffee.

 

[shturt678]

Anytime the Trumpets are blasting warnings of preliminary judgments, ie, like today, the first thing that God gives over is all the extremely diverse to just diverse interpretations of "faith" as to each one must appear genuine (IIThess.2:11, 12; Rev.8:7, etc.). Just google up the latest gov't census and purge all the different "statements of faith" merging in the one that you think is the valid one. In this way at least one has a fighting chance even when born into a full blown apostasy where most will just view today's time as pure grace, ie, those terrible "delusions." Hope this helps that one. Hope MoreCoffee has coffee ready in the morning? Just ol' old insignificant Jack, IICor.4:7.

 

[Colleen1]

Definitely not a RCC "faith," fides caritae formata for which you and others unknowingly agree to, nor a modern-Lutheran type, and so on; but a solis fides based on a Gospel in Truth, ie, a trust in God's promise in TRUTH. Good question. Don't be that concerned as no Truth anywhere hence just find a good air conditioner you can take with you.

My point being. I'm big on Bible and less so on focusing on specific terminology. Not that I'm unaware of it. Classifying and terming things has it's place but I think it can be too focused on as opposed to simply focusing on the Bible and what it is communicating in context regardless of one's associated church etc. By context I mean all scriptures weighed against one another. I also think it's important I speak plainly so that others who are not familiar with certain terms can understand. ...a conscious decision...

II Corinthians 4:2 (focusing on the second part)

2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.

 

[Going Merry]

Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture. There are some doctrines (salvation by grace through faith and not of works Eph 2:8-9) that I see as non-negotiable.

Others (Jesus clearly taught a post-tribualtion rapture in Matthew 24) I view as important but not worth breaking fellowship over.

All Scripture is God breathed, so it's all important.

What doctrines do you view add non negotiable? It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, my post certainly isn't

A few I can think of

1) Christians are sinless
2) Jesus took up the worlds sin at his baptism, not his cross
3) his cross was the judgment of all sin
4) the world is without sin in christ, but apart they are in sin. this is due to christ already paying the debts for sin.
5) christians dont pray for forgiveness

those are a few that makes me distance my self from others who hold opposing views

 

[Gnarwhal]

A few I can think of

1) Christians are sinless
2) Jesus took up the worlds sin at his baptism, not his cross
3) his cross was the judgment of all sin
4) the world is without sin in christ, but apart they are in sin. this is due to christ already paying the debts for sin.
5) christians dont pray for forgiveness

those are a few that makes me distance my self from others who hold opposing views

Are you that same chick that used to post under the name "hl2" and a few others? If you are, your modus operandi is pretty conspicuous.

 

[PaladinValer]

Are you that same chick that used to post under the name "hl2" and a few others? If you are, your modus operandi is pretty conspicuous.

I thought the same. If so, I've lost count now on how many (potential) socks and/or renames...not good.

 

[shturt678]

My point being. I'm big on Bible and less so on focusing on specific terminology. Not that I'm unaware of it. Classifying and terming things has it's place but I think it can be too focused on as opposed to simply focusing on the Bible and what it is communicating in context regardless of one's associated church etc. By context I mean all scriptures weighed against one another. I also think it's important I speak plainly so that others who are not familiar with certain terms can understand. ...a conscious decision...

II Corinthians 4:2 (focusing on the second part)

2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.

If the "Bible" = "inspired Scriptures" then your premise rings valid.

 

[MoreCoffee]

(sorta?) Lucid and to the point.

Let's make an inference that we can all take to the bank, ie, the RCC's faith is no better nor worse than the modern Lutherans of today. Secondly we can agree to agree that all those receiving IIThess.2:11, 12 today are unaware; however will be made aware upon one's passing. See, there are areas that we can agree to agree over a good cup of Kona coffee.

I am not sure I want to agree* to your proposal because it seems to be another bit of mystery dressed in a short passage from scripture. What do you mean when you cite

For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12​

*

 

[shturt678]

I am not sure I want to agree* to your proposal because it seems to be another bit of mystery dressed in a short passage from scripture. What do you mean when you cite

For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12​

*

Example only due to only have a only few Christian friends and they are of the RCC camp......don't want to lose them. One setting is receiving "delusions" this moment, ie, one has to be fallacious: "Faith" by the RCC is formed by love and "Faith" by the Lutherans is strictly solis fides, the two settings are extremely diverse. To omit all the other way and or ways of producing "Faith" in all the other settings is to make sure there is no mystery here. Maybe more than one setting is receiving these "error's working," in fact, which denomination or non-denom. is not receiving Rev.8:7, etc. this very moment? Now you have me thinking over a good Kona cup of hot coffee. I'll wash the pot today.

Simply what it thinks that it really is, what it only pretends to be, ie, you do remember when we use to 'pretend' when in the 3rd grade, ie, memory lapse for me, but remember pretending in my 4th grade. "pretending" now however can have eternal ramifications, ie, pretentious world wide worship? ? ?

 

[New_Wineskin]

Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture. There are some doctrines (salvation by grace through faith and not of works Eph 2:8-9) that I see as non-negotiable.

Others (Jesus clearly taught a post-tribualtion rapture in Matthew 24) I view as important but not worth breaking fellowship over.

All Scripture is God breathed, so it's all important.

What doctrines do you view add non negotiable? It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, my post certainly isn't

For this forum , the only doctrines that can be considered as non-negotiable are those in the forum's creed - none else . The great thing is that , as written , even they can be interpreted in a myriad of ways .

 

[MamaZ]

I believe the utmost is what Paul said. He said we are to preach Christ. How He died on the cross and was buried for three days and on the third day He rose again.. For Christ is our savior.. Preach Him crucified and risen to the saving of Souls..

 

[shturt678]

I believe the utmost is what Paul said. He said we are to preach Christ. How He died on the cross and was buried for three days and on the third day He rose again.. For Christ is our savior.. Preach Him crucified and risen to the saving of Souls..

+ "for the antichrist is the savior" for most today thinking the Holy Spirit dwells within. ICor.1:18 long ago, but need to measure one's self at Rev.11:1, 2, in today's time due to others not promulgating nor propagating Paul's warnings for some reason.

 

[Colleen1]

Apart from all that I've listed above (the basics), for my personal life a must is the following scripture:

Ephesians 3:14:21

14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family[a] in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.