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Don't get me wrong. I want to love God. I want to get rid of all rebellion and hatred. I want to be intimate with God.

People in my area don't like me. My neighbors don't talk to me. People see me as weird. So I don't have friends. I don't work; I am disabled. So I look for love by watching porn or unclean material on youtube. And I know that sin leads to death (hell). So I am stopping my sin; but out of fear.

How can I love someone if I am not sure if he loves me (which he does. God doesn't lie; I just don't feel it), and when I feel like I have I have to earn his love.
My mind is perverted and abominable. But I am starting to reject my sin. I sometimes mess up with my thoughts. For when my mind goes off to la la land, I sometimes sin. Then I spend 10 minutes asking God to forgive me. And the Bible says that the abominable will be thrown in to hell.

I do know God loves me, but he does not delight in me. Just like I don't delight in him. I want this to change.
 
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Of course. What do you think of what I wrote about in post #11 (minus the first paragraph where I mistook Aiki for you)?

Then there is hope for me. I want to love God. I just don't feel it yet. And I wondered that if I died before I am perfected in love if I would go to heaven or hell. Well, you answered that question. Thank you
 
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My immediate reaction is to say "this sounds promising." :thumbsup:

Remember, we are all fallen short of God's standards. Turning a new leaf--whenever in life it occurs--IS to love the one who is our Creator. It may not be the love some romantics or a few starry-eyes saints were noted for, but it is love because it acknowledges the rightness of him to whom it is directed.


Don't get me wrong. I want to love God. I want to get rid of all rebellion and hatred. I want to be intimate with God.

People in my area don't like me. My neighbors don't talk to me. People see me as weird. So I don't have friends. I don't work; I am disabled. So I look for love by watching porn or unclean material on youtube. And I know that sin leads to death (hell). So I am stopping my sin; but out of fear.

How can I love someone if I am not sure if he loves me (which he does. God doesn't lie; I just don't feel it), and when I feel like I have I have to earn his love.
My mind is perverted and abominable. But I am starting to reject my sin. I sometimes mess up with my thoughts. For when my mind goes off to la la land, I sometimes sin. Then I spend 10 minutes asking God to forgive me. And the Bible says that the abominable will be thrown in to hell.

I do know God loves me, but he does not delight in me. Just like I don't delight in him. I want this to change.
 
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Also, I don't want to hate God. I see God as someone who destroys.
Well, He does destroy. But He also creates. God gives life and He takes it. This is His unique prerogative as the Creator. In fact, there would be nothing to be destroyed if God had not first brought it into being. Why do you neglect God's creative acts and focus only on His destructive ones? You're only seeing a distortion of God when you look at Him this way; you are hating something other than the actual God of the universe. The real God of the universe has given us stunning sunsets and sunrises, chocolate, humor, thrilling thunderstorms and calm, easy breezes along sunny, ocean beaches. He has given us romance, sex, love and joy. He has made us able to climb mountains, surf ocean waves, play golf, or football, or soccer, eat delicious food, read good books, be entertained by music, or a movie, or puppies playing together in the yard. Most of all, God has made us capable of knowing and loving Him. But all you see is a God of destruction. Something is seriously wrong with your eyesight.

My brain is wired to think about the cup being half empty, not half full. That's why I sometimes have a hard time thanking God.
I dunno'... Seems like a bit of a cop-out to me...You choose what and how you think, friend.

I was reading in the old testament about two men who got into a fight, and one of them blasphemed God. They took the man and stoned him to death in front of the entire camp. I felt sorry for this man.
I'm sure no one enjoyed putting him to death, either. But the terrible judgment God rendered upon his blasphemy shows us just how awful his blasphemy was. It was so bad, so evil, that it deserved the death penalty. The man sinned and God punished his sin. Should God let our sin go unpunished? If He did, He would not be a holy, righteous God. I don't think you'd like a God who wasn't holy and righteous.

I am wired towards feel sorry and empathy to poor, defenseless creatures even if they are guilty.
The man was not a cute, little bunny rabbit who pooped on the carpet without knowing better. He was guilty of willfully blaspheming the name of the One who made him and sustained his life. He had blasphemed God Almighty, Ruler of heaven and earth.

God would have destroyed me back then. For anyone who acquitted the guilty was cut off from the community or God destroyed them.
God has acquitted the guilty. That's the story of the Gospel.

Hell enters my mind a lot. I have read about it, not just from the Bible. I have heard the screams on youtube from recordings that people say come from hell (I don't if they are real or fake). however, it puts fear in me.
Well, I would be very careful about what you take as truth from Youtube clips.

My anger comes from the fact that obeying God to avoid this punishment is unacceptable to God. I have to feel this way or that way when I obey him. I am naturally selfish. I can't obey out of love.
No, you can't. And God doesn't want your human love anyway. The only love God desires is His own love.

It's like putting a knife to someone's throat and say give me your money. So the victim gives the offender the money out of fear. But the offender still gets mad and says "did you only give me your money out of fear?" Then he kills the victim anyways, because the victim was afraid when he gave him the money.
This is not an accurate analogy at all. First of all, God doesn't demand of us what He doesn't deserve. He is, simply by virtue of who He is, worthy of all the love we can give Him. Second, God has loved us first. He has sacrificed Himself on a cross in part to show us just how incredibly He loves us. He does not ask us to love without cause. "We love Him because He first loved us," the Bible says.

My salvation is being threaten if I continue in my sinful habits. Didn't Paul say in Hebrews 10:26 that if we continue in sin, we will no longer be forgiven. For this reason, I fear.
Paul is not speaking of someone who struggles with sin and sometimes fails. The apostle John made it clear that we all sin and to think we don't is to make God a liar. (see 1 John 1) It is the one who has made a lifestyle of sin (especially after knowing the truth of the Gospel), who is easy with it, who is in reference in Hebrews 10.

Selah.
 
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Well, He does destroy. But He also creates. God gives life and He takes it. This is His unique prerogative as the Creator. In fact, there would be nothing to be destroyed if God had not first brought it into being. Why do you neglect God's creative acts and focus only on His destructive ones? You're only seeing a distortion of God when you look at Him this way; you are hating something other than the actual God of the universe. The real God of the universe has given us stunning sunsets and sunrises, chocolate, humor, thrilling thunderstorms and calm, easy breezes along sunny, ocean beaches. He has given us romance, sex, love and joy. He has made us able to climb mountains, surf ocean waves, play golf, or football, or soccer, eat delicious food, read good books, be entertained by music, or a movie, or puppies playing together in the yard. Most of all, God has made us capable of knowing and loving Him. But all you see is a God of destruction. Something is seriously wrong with your eyesight.

I dunno'... Seems like a bit of a cop-out to me...You choose what and how you think, friend.

I'm sure no one enjoyed putting him to death, either. But the terrible judgment God rendered upon his blasphemy shows us just how awful his blasphemy was. It was so bad, so evil, that it deserved the death penalty. The man sinned and God punished his sin. Should God let our sin go unpunished? If He did, He would not be a holy, righteous God. I don't think you'd like a God who wasn't holy and righteous.

The man was not a cute, little bunny rabbit who pooped on the carpet without knowing better. He was guilty of willfully blaspheming the name of the One who made him and sustained his life. He had blasphemed God Almighty, Ruler of heaven and earth.

God has acquitted the guilty. That's the story of the Gospel.

Well, I would be very careful about what you take as truth from Youtube clips.

No, you can't. And God doesn't want your human love anyway. The only love God desires is His own love.

This is not an accurate analogy at all. First of all, God doesn't demand of us what He doesn't deserve. He is, simply by virtue of who He is, worthy of all the love we can give Him. Second, God has loved us first. He has sacrificed Himself on a cross in part to show us just how incredibly He loves us. He does not ask us to love without cause. "We love Him because He first loved us," the Bible says.

Paul is not speaking of someone who struggles with sin and sometimes fails. The apostle John made it clear that we all sin and to think we don't is to make God a liar. (see 1 John 1) It is the one who has made a lifestyle of sin (especially after knowing the truth of the Gospel), who is easy with it, who is in reference in Hebrews 10.

Selah.

I don't know how to respond to this to be perfectly honest. You do make a lot of sense. I just don't know what to do with my harden heart sometimes.

Let's just say I get what you are saying.
 
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I don't know how to respond to this to be perfectly honest. You do make a lot of sense. I just don't know what to do with my harden heart sometimes.
Your hardened heart you cannot soften on your own. But you can do things to make it harder. Move toward God to the degree you are able. Take small steps if that is all you're capable of at the moment. And, most of all, ask God to soften your heart. And keep asking until He does. Trust me, He will - though not maybe in the way you expect.

The Bible says that the just shall live by faith, not fear. Neil T. Anderson says if you are motivated by fear, you are not being motivated by faith. But I still fear. And I don't know how to not fear.
Fear often has to do with not knowing, not understanding, the thing we fear. If you want to move from fear to faith in God, getting the whole and correct picture of Him given in the Bible will be necessary. Right now, you have a very skewed picture of God. Get all the facts before you make up your mind about Him, before you decide He deserves your hate. Again, ask God to illuminate your understanding and expose the lies you've adopted. You can be sure the devil has been at work warping your conception of your Maker. Don't let him continue to do so!

People talk all the time about faith without works. But what about works without faith? I do plenty of good works when the opportunity arives. But only cause I fear (afaid) God would punish if I did not help this person or that person. I don't know.
And that gets old, really old, in a hurry. Love is a far more powerful motive for obedience than fear. When you love to obey because you love the one you're obeying, obedience becomes a joy, which is exactly the experience God wants for us when we obey Him.

Let's just say I get what you are saying.
And I understand very well where you're coming from. I used to be right where you are. I have changed, by God's good grace, and so can you.

"Ask and it shall be given you, seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you."

Selah.
 
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Your hardened heart you cannot soften on your own. But you can do things to make it harder. Move toward God to the degree you are able. Take small steps if that is all your capable of at the moment. And, most of all, ask God to soften your heart. And keep asking until He does. Trust me, He will - though not maybe in the way you expect.

Fear often has to do with not knowing, not understanding, the thing we fear. If you want to move from fear to faith in God, getting the whole and correct picture of Him given in the Bible will be necessary. Right now, you have a very skewed picture of God. Get all the facts before you make up your mind about Him, before you decide He deserves your hate. Again, ask God to illuminate your understanding and expose the lies you've adopted. You can be sure the devil has been at work warping your conception of your Maker. Don't let him continue to do so!

And that gets old, really old, in a hurry. Love is a far more powerful motive for obedience than fear. When you love to obey because you love the one you're obeying, obedience becomes a joy, which is exactly the experience God wants for us when we obey Him.

And I understand very well where you're coming from. I used to be right where you are. I have changed, by God's good grace, and so can you.

"Ask and it shall be given you, seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you."

Selah.

Thank you. I will pray that God will soften my heart and fill me with his love.
 
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What do you think God would say to a person who only obeyed out of fear when judgment day comes, but never learned to really love him?

This is me. I am having a hard time delighting myself in the Lord. For when I think of God I think of all the people he is going to condemn. I give him the worship he is so worthy of. I tremble in fear when I enter into worship, so I don't enjoy it. I have put my faith in Jesus Christ, our Lord. But I still tremble at his name. Probably because there is still sin in my life. I do have sinful habits that I am trying to break. I am always asking God's forgiveness, even if I had not sinned that day. Just in case I have committed a sin that I was unawear of. Sometimes I do it 4x's a day asking his forgiveness, even if I hadn't sin. David said "how can we know all the sin that is lurking in our hearts?"

Do you think God could say to me "flee from me you worker of iniquity into the eternal fire" if I don't learn to love him like I should?

What are you afraid of? There's nothing to be afraid of if you have taken Jesus into your heart and are honestly trying to be a better person. It sounds like you have done that and are just looking at things from the wrong view. Just keep doing what you are doing and he will guide you there's nothing to be afraid of. If other Christians are scaring you by judging the mistakes you make pay no attention to them if you are trying. What they fail recognize in all their superiority is that they will be judged for their behavior. There are many examples in the bible about judging others yet they feel they have an exemption from it or ignore it and find another piece of scripture to justify what they wish to do. There is nothing to fear just keep trying and trust in him he will work through it all with you and bring you to the place he wishes you to be.
 
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OP, I just think you worry too much is all. Jesus says "Lean on me, take my yoke upon yourself for its easy and light" The Lord does not heap heavy burden on anyone. Granted many people do go through hardship, but then no pain, no glory. The Lord uses that to teach His people to be strong in Him.

I don't think you have actually allowed yourself to experience the true love of God. You seem to me like you are just running from one end to the other, not actually allowing yourself to let go and let God in your life.

So what if you do sin? Have you not read somewhere in the psalms where its written that "Blessed are those that The Lord does not count their sins against them"?

Every human sin one way or the other. How you deal with it is what counts. First and foremost the reason why Jesus said His yoke is light is because He has already carried it all for each and everyone of us who believes in Him. On the cross. He has finished it. So if you call yourself by His name, and call Him LORD, then you should know that every thing you are going through or will go through can be left at his feet, and He will deal with it.

Holy Spirit condemns no one. He will nudge you and direct you in the right way, but you still get to choose. God does not force anyone remember. That is why He says "ASK" and you will receive. SEEK and you will find. He gives you that grace and will to actually come to Him. So if you keep sinning and never seem to be able to break out of that cycle, who do you go to?

Sorry you can't fix yourself, if you need help, you go to The Lord. Let go and let Him. Don;t run away from Him. And don't ever condemn yourself again. Allow Him to show you His love, and stop torturing yourself unnecessarily. God has given power to each and everyone of His children who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

if you tremble in fear when you enter into worship, how do you expect to enjoy it? LOL. God doesnt want us to fear Him. He wants us to just surrender, love and praise Him. Fear has no place where God dwells. All you should feel in his presence whilst praising/worshipping is nothing but love pouring out on you from Him cause HE does love it, TRULY.

God delights in the praises of His people, more than anything else!
 
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What are you afraid of? There's nothing to be afraid of if you have taken Jesus into your heart and are honestly trying to be a better person. It sounds like you have done that and are just looking at things from the wrong view. Just keep doing what you are doing and he will guide you there's nothing to be afraid of. If other Christians are scaring you by judging the mistakes you make pay no attention to them if you are trying. What they fail recognize in all their superiority is that they will be judged for their behavior. There are many examples in the bible about judging others yet they feel they have an exemption from it or ignore it and find another piece of scripture to justify what they wish to do. There is nothing to fear just keep trying and trust in him he will work through it all with you and bring you to the place he wishes you to be.

Thank you
 
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OP, I just think you worry too much is all. Jesus says "Lean on me, take my yoke upon yourself for its easy and light" The Lord does not heap heavy burden on anyone. Granted many people do go through hardship, but then no pain, no glory. The Lord uses that to teach His people to be strong in Him.

I don't think you have actually allowed yourself to experience the true love of God. You seem to me like you are just running from one end to the other, not actually allowing yourself to let go and let God in your life.

So what if you do sin? Have you not read somewhere in the psalms where its written that "Blessed are those that The Lord does not count their sins against them"?

Every human sin one way or the other. How you deal with it is what counts. First and foremost the reason why Jesus said His yoke is light is because He has already carried it all for each and everyone of us who believes in Him. On the cross. He has finished it. So if you call yourself by His name, and call Him LORD, then you should know that every thing you are going through or will go through can be left at his feet, and He will deal with it.

Holy Spirit condemns no one. He will nudge you and direct you in the right way, but you still get to choose. God does not force anyone remember. That is why He says "ASK" and you will receive. SEEK and you will find. He gives you that grace and will to actually come to Him. So if you keep sinning and never seem to be able to break out of that cycle, who do you go to?

Sorry you can't fix yourself, if you need help, you go to The Lord. Let go and let Him. Don;t run away from Him. And don't ever condemn yourself again. Allow Him to show you His love, and stop torturing yourself unnecessarily. God has given power to each and everyone of His children who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

if you tremble in fear when you enter into worship, how do you expect to enjoy it? LOL. God doesnt want us to fear Him. He wants us to just surrender, love and praise Him. Fear has no place where God dwells. All you should feel in his presence whilst praising/worshipping is nothing but love pouring out on you from Him cause HE does love it, TRULY.

God delights in the praises of His people, more than anything else!

Thank you. That was encouraging.

It is so nice to find loving Christians everywhere. That will speak the truth in love.
 
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How has God made his goodness known to you? Has he rescued you from eternal death? Has he placed you in a country where disease and hunger are rare, and education is commonplace, and you don't legitimately need to worry about either government forces or hostile militias coming after you? Has he given you a good family that supports and loves you, at very least at a basic level? Has he helped grow you as a man?

I can say that he has done all these things for me. This speaks of his character and his love for me. I can compare God, who is a straight-shooter, with those who deceived me and worked to pull me down one way or another, or even just with the way other religions describe their gods. God always comes up on top, easily. He revealed his character in Scripture, and when Scripture is rightly understood, we very clearly see it demonstrated there as well. He is worthy of my worship and my devotion. He is worthy of me living a better life for him. I love him because he first loved me - not because I fear terrible judgement. Terrible judgement will come upon evildoers, I am very aware of that, but that's not why I love and worship him.
 
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Dear Jesse2014. God is Love, and God loves you. God knows your heart, and it grieves God if you fear God without reason. God wants our love, freely given and No conditions tagged on. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus give s us good advice. He tells a Lawyer: " The first Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second Commandment is like it: Love thy neighbour as thyself." Jesus also tells us:
On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. We ask for Love and Joy, (in Matthew 7: 7-10:) then we thank God and share all Love and Joy with our neighbour; all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends. We keep asking God for Love and Joy, then we share the Love and Joy
with all around us. God will see our loving efforts, and God will Bless us.
The Bible tells us: " Repent," and " Be Born Again." We try seriously to change from being selfish and unloving, to change into loving and caring men and women. God will notice how we do our best, and Jesus our Saviour will help and guide us all the way. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us, and keep on loving and caring.
A Christian`s strong weapon is Love, and with love we can overcome all obstacles and wrong behaviour. How do we show Jesus that we love God?
By following God`s Commandments. We will find that we change slowly into the sons and daughters, which God our Heavenly Father wants us to become.
Remember that God Loves you and keep following God`s Commandments.
I say this with love, Jesse. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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