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"It is interesting that a much higher percentage of people believe in the existence of Heaven than believe in the existence of Hell. According to the Bible, though, Hell is just as real as Heaven. The Bible clearly and explicitly teaches that Hell is a real place to which the wicked/unbelieving are sent after death. We have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23). The just punishment for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). Since all of our sin is ultimately against God (Psalm 51:4), and since God is an infinite and eternal Being, the punishment for sin, death, must also be infinite in eternal. Hell is this infinite and eternal death, what we have earned because of our sin.

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10,11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

The punishment of the wicked in Hell is as never-ending as the bliss of the righteous in Heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that the punishment in Hell is just as everlasting as eternal life in Heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God in Hell. They consciously suffer shame and contempt and the assaults of an accusing conscience for all of eternity. Even those in Hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalms 76:10). Those who are in Hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, Hell is real. Yes, Hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end! Praise God that through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16,18,36)."

http://www.gotquestions.org/hell-real-eternal.html
 
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If you pay close attention the bible tells us to test all things hold onto what is good and refrain from evil. This goes for writings as well. One should always test what they read and what they see. If it is true and good it will stand up to the test if not it will fall. Those who are afraid to test likely already suspect they are incorrect but unwilling to admit it.

well Enoch does state that he wrote it so I would assume he was the original writer

either way the point is the idea of sheol being the abode of the dead came from the bible and not from greek mythology
 
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Hi &Abel,

In clarifying my position on perception, God wants us transformed in every way, not just mentally. He wants our very being to be transformed into the likeness of Christ. "Let us create man in our image", is not just a physical thing as I am sure you know; Therefore, that process of transformation is a process that takes a lifetime for the very elect of God and even still there needs to be the transformation of glorification resulting in a new body.

The lost are simply not being changed now in this age. Their part is in the coming ages wherebye Christ and His elect bring the rest of the harvest in through the lake of fire (sybolic of the judgment of Christ and His elect on the world). "For when thy Judgements are in the earth (in the coming ages) the world WILL learn righteousness" (Isa 26-9). Full conversion comes by way of judgment. First in Christ on the cross then by trials and tribulation in the elect and finally through wrath and indignation on the lost. All are transformed through these methods of processes.

There is no resurrection other than Christ. Jesus said "I am the resurrection". He is the only resurrection and as such the elect are resurrected to glory following this age and the lost are resurrected to judgement in the lake of fire in the next age. Both the elect and the lost are both raise in Christ since Christ is the only resurrection. It is in this lake of fire (here on this earth, not IN the center core of it) that the lost are judged.

Otherwise who exactly is Christ and His elect truly reigning and ruling over if there are none left and all the rest are burning in a literal eternal fire for eternity?

If you do a study of the feasts and Gods commands concerning horticulture you will see that Christian theology voids the great fall harvest, feast of tabernacles, etc. It is Christ and His elect that bring in this great fall harvest and all will join in the feast of tabernacles. The elect are not the great fall harvest. They are the first Christ (wavesheaf) and the firstfruits, "first" implying more to come, then comes the end when the whole harvest is brought in now that there will be workers (the elect).

God Bless, Dave

well I agree about us needing to constantly "upgrade" ourselves to be more like Christ

so least we found some common ground :)

(thats actually a fairly significant point that seems to be lost on many)
 
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If you pay close attention the bible tells us to test all things hold onto what is good and refrain from evil. This goes for writings as well. One should always test what they read and what they see. If it is true and good it will stand up to the test if not it will fall. Those who are afraid to test likely already suspect they are incorrect but unwilling to admit it.

well I've seen enough evidence to know that Enoch is the real deal(theres no way God would have not only quoted it in the NT but also preserved it when some of the earlier church attempted to destroy it)...if it was not His word

God wanted us to have and be knowledgable of Enoch

in a sense it was written for these very times(there are hints within it) of course it was written for the past and all generations as well but I believe its especially important for the people of today

2 Esdras as well
 
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I apologize for being a little "short" at times and for my terrible english(its never good) but its even worse right now

I have the absolute worst cold I have ever had right now

I can't sleep properly which is whats making it the worst(I go into these weird delusional type states but I'm not resting) so I'm very "outta it"

not sure exactly why sleep seems to be so untainable...I think its the excruiating pain(I feel like I aged 100 years over night lol)

I'm not usually one to whine about a cold but man this thing has some zip too it :D
 
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I am astonished that there is an argument about sheol. You have put up in the definition above that it is the abode of the dead. Where are the dead? In the ground. No divisions etc. ashes to ashes, dust to dust? From dust you were formed and to dust you shall return? Any of these ringing a bell?

Regarding salvation, again we are told that there is one way, through Christ. All who have heard the gospel have made a choice to believe or not. Those who have will be called to judgement on judgement day. It is in keeping with God's law and nature that those who have not heard the gospel, cannot be judged but as they are still in sin, they are seperated from God and will remain in the ground and it is as if they never were.

I believe the immortal soul doctrine trips up a lot of people. Again this is not a biblical teaching but something that has come in from paganism.

First of all God is not calling all people now; second there is no freewill or choice in a persons salvation; and last their spirit returns to God


Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 
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well Enoch does state that he wrote it so I would assume he was the original writer

either way the point is the idea of sheol being the abode of the dead came from the bible and not from greek mythology
That of course is up to you but I find it to be an unfounded assumption. Just remember that any man can write the name of any other man in a book.

The point was not that sheol as the abode of the dead came from Greek mythology but the notion that it was seperated into 2 parts. Hades is the Greek god of the underworld later became the name for the underworld which he ruled over. The dead would go to hades and be judged. If thier good outweighted thier evil then they went to the good part of hades and if thier evil outweighted thier good then they served time in the bad part in proportion to the blance of good and evil they had done before being allowed into the good part. Hades was thought to be literally under the earth with the entrance being somewhere near the coast of Greece. The gates of Hades were gaurded by a fierce 3 headed dog which was there to keep the dead in and the living out. Of course this is myth but it was around for a very long time.

It might also interest you to know that hell has a similar story Hel is the goddess of the underworld in yet a different cultures mythology it is also the name for the underworld where the dead abide. Ironicaly hel is frigidly cold. Christainty added the fire to the myth.
 
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FYI The oldest fragment of Enoch that I am aware of dates back to the neighborhood of 200 BC. The oldest fragment of the Greek myths dates back to 700 bc and it is said that these stories were handed down by word of mouth for 400 years or so before they were first written down.
 
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First of all God is not calling all people now; second there is no freewill or choice in a persons salvation; and last their spirit returns to God


Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Not sure of the point of your post. Yes the spirit (pneuma, breath) returns to God, no argument there and rounds out death and the lack of an immortal soul.

Free will? Well that is another matter. God knows who will respond to Jesus' voice (My sheep hear my voice) and you could get into a drawn out philisophical argument about God's foreknowledge etc. At the end of the day though, just becasue God knows whether we will respond or not, doesn't mean that we don't have a choice in the matter.
 
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well I've seen enough evidence to know that Enoch is the real deal(theres no way God would have not only quoted it in the NT but also preserved it when some of the earlier church attempted to destroy it)...if it was not His word
It was perserved by man just as all the other surving writing were be they considered scripture or not. God did not write the bible, Man did.
 
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well Enoch does state that he wrote it so I would assume he was the original writer

either way the point is the idea of sheol being the abode of the dead came from the bible and not from greek mythology


Hi &Abel,

Since the definition of sheol is a stumbling block here I would like to address it if we could.

Lets compare the usage of Hades and Sheol to see if there is a similarity of the word meanings.

Both are translated hell in the old and new testament.

Example...

Psa 16:10 "for thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (Heb: sheol), Neither wilt thou suffer thine holy one to see corruption".

Act 2:27 "Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (Grk: Hade), neither wilt thou suffer thine holy one to see corruption".

It is clear here that Psa 16:10 is being quoted in Acts 2:27, so whatever the definition of Hebrew sheol is, is the same as the Greek hade.

Now we establish that sheol and hades have the same definition.

In addition to this we also know that Enoch was of the same language so it too must carry the same definition.

For starters, it is evident that whatever sheol or hades is, one can be removed from it since it states "thou wilt not LEAVE my soul in sheol".

So sheol or hades is not the final state of the dead.

Next we notice that :thou wilt not suffer thine Holy One (Refering to Christ) to see corruption. In other words His body would not decay before He was removed from this sheol/hades.

Before I continue please notice that the word "sheol" was first introduced into scripture in the very passage I just quoted Psa 16:10. You would think that if the sin of Adam and Eve would lead to such an awful sentence of burning in a literal lake of fire for all eternity for their sin that God would have mentioned it when warning Adam and Eve and if not then, at least tell them that they would be going to eternal damnation at some point before David was born and wrote the psalms. The truth is God said that their punishment was simply death. They would die and not live again.

The devil lied and said "Ye shall surely not die". That lie is still being taught but of all places......in the churches. They do not believe the wages of sin is death, they believe that the wages of sin is to live forever but at the same time as living forever you are continually dieing being in torment for all eternity in literal flames that never burn out.

Now back to the word usage of Sheol and hades.

If sheol or hades is a literal abode of the damned and all who enter it remain there forever than what of this passage?

Psa 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

David said that God had mercy on him and delivered him from the LOWEST of sheol.

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

David proves right here in this passage that God is even present in sheol. But Christianity teaches that in sheol man is seperated from them and this only adds to their torment. They teach that hell (sheol/hades) is seperation from God yet this passage is clearly stating that there is no way to be seperated from God. The passage is clarifying that God is everywhere at all times in all locatiojns and there is nowhere you can go that can seperate you from the presence of God.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

This is part of the parable God commanded Isaiah to speak unto the king of babylon, Melchisidek. We all know what happened to Him when God pronounced His judgment on him. He was hewn down just as the huge tree in his vision was. He has hewn down then left to the desert for many years. Insects made homes in and ate from his beard. He was absolutely depraved but was never sent to an abode of the damned. God brought Him to his lowest point then Melchisidek repented and God restored Him more than he ever had. You see, Sheol and hades are basically two things....
1: Physically dead having no perception of anything for the dead know not anything as scripture declares. Their very memories are gone and it is AS THOUGH they never existed yet we know they did, and we know that they will be raised but the question we are getting to is, raised to what and where?

2: Spiritually dead. Jesus said, let the dead bury the dead". He was refering to their present death which was spiritual because they were as the very dead in the ground (deaf dub and blind), not knowing anything (spiritual). They were dead as they walked and talked. They were already in sheol/hades.

As you know there is the carnal view of things and a spiritual view of things. Those who are burying the dead are the carnal ones. They have no spiritual understanding so they are spiritually dead.

Then there is the spiritual view of things and absolutely everything writtten in scripture is to be understood spiritually for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Take the demon possesed man, whom Jesus cast out that which defiled the man, and the man himself was made whole. This man was already in hades/sheol (state of the dead....not nowing any thing) in torments but notice.....Jesus did not leave him in that state. The man never made a prayer for forgivness, he never got on His knees and confessed the Lord with his mouth UNTIL AFTER CHRIST CLEANSED HIM AND MADE HIM WHOLE.

Notice the wording surrounding this text? The possessed man walked among the tombs (death/hades/sheol), He cut himself with stones (the law for He could not keep it). He was naked (exposing His sin and shame).

Now Jesus took that which defiled this man and destroyed it where????? IN A LAKE!!!
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Sound familiar? Resembles the demon possessed man doesnt it?

You see sheol/hades is not a literal geographical location. It is definately not the abode of the damned as our erronious translated bibles suggest.

It is nothing more than the "state" of the dead. That "state" is outlined throughout scripture for those with eyes to see and ears to hear what the SPIRIT is saying, not what the CARNAL MIND can only understand.

Sheol/Hades, is nothing more than not knowing anything which is the same as being physically dead (not knowing anything). So the spiritually dead are not unlike the physical dead in that they know nothing spiritual and are merely going through the actions of life ever learning but never coming to the KNOWLEDGE of the truth which is LIFE. They remain DEAD in this state until they are raised to judgment whereby this nature and state is then changed and the man himself is transformed through this Judgment of the lake of fire (here on earth with a symbolic fire).

"For when thy judgements are in the earth, the world will learn righteousness".

Lastly, I admit that the word "hell" was as good a translation as any at the time the scriptures were translated into latin, but then the definition of the word "hell" changed with the translation of hell into the King James.

The word Hell as of 400 years ago was defined as (the impercievable, unseen). If you go to a good library and find an early release dictionary dating back to roughly 1600 or earlier you will see that this was the proper definition for the word "hell".

The definition was then changed (approx year 1600) to "the abode of the damned where the devil and his agels preside over the lost, etc, etc".

400 plus years ago if someone told you to go to hell and get the potatoes they would simply go to the celler. It was dark and you had to bring a lantern with you to see anything.

So hell WAS a could word until the deifnition of the word hell took a huge change. As such many word defintiions change over long periods of time. First of all translation from one language to another is always imperfect and will always result in errors and this is admitted by scholars and theologians and translators alike. The problem is anyone reading the said translation promotes the reliability and perfection of it resulting in errors of theology.

So in conclusion "the abode of the damned" is not a definition given by Enoch or any other author of scripture. It was a definition that at one point was acceptable until its definition was then altered (drastically). The current definition is a blatant forgery of Gods word and was not and could not be an accident. You can be sure the Catholoc Church was behind this whole thing.

God Bless, Dave
 
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An adjunct to your post Dave, if I may. It was post the writing of Paradise Lost by Milton that the current day dogma surrounding hell took hold. A fictional piece of literature (poetry) was used as a basis of a doctrine that has taken hold in modern churches. Astonishing really.

We do have some differences of opinion from what I have read of your posts but I shall not comment on those as that would detract from the direction of the thread.
 
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An adjunct to your post Dave, if I may. It was post the writing of Paradise Lost by Milton that the current day dogma surrounding hell took hold. A fictional piece of literature (poetry) was used as a basis of a doctrine that has taken hold in modern churches. Astonishing really.

We do have some differences of opinion from what I have read of your posts but I shall not comment on those as that would detract from the direction of the thread.

Hi k2svpete,

I am not perfect and therefore I am still learning. Infact, I have much to learn. I am merely sharing what I have been given so far. After 22 years or more in the Chrisitan theology to be humbled in a mighty way to what I now know was a huge leap and since that experience I am always open to my errors.
If you do not wish do detract from this thread you are more than welcome to PM me and please bless me with any correction you may have.

As I said before Im not just here to share my understaing, I'm here just as equally to learn more.

God Bless, Dave
 
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Dave, that is a truely inspiring attitude you have. I guess I have been fortunate in that I started to have things revealed to me over the last few years and have not had to unlearn a lifetime of incorrect doctrine.

Hi k2svpete,

Thank you for your kind words.

I came out of it about 8 years ago and I have learned more for every year now than I learned the whole 22plus years as an Orthodox Christian. Truly amazing.

God Bless, Dave
 
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That of course is up to you but I find it to be an unfounded assumption. Just remember that any man can write the name of any other man in a book.

The point was not that sheol as the abode of the dead came from Greek mythology but the notion that it was seperated into 2 parts. Hades is the Greek god of the underworld later became the name for the underworld which he ruled over. The dead would go to hades and be judged. If thier good outweighted thier evil then they went to the good part of hades and if thier evil outweighted thier good then they served time in the bad part in proportion to the blance of good and evil they had done before being allowed into the good part. Hades was thought to be literally under the earth with the entrance being somewhere near the coast of Greece. The gates of Hades were gaurded by a fierce 3 headed dog which was there to keep the dead in and the living out. Of course this is myth but it was around for a very long time.

It might also interest you to know that hell has a similar story Hel is the goddess of the underworld in yet a different cultures mythology it is also the name for the underworld where the dead abide. Ironicaly hel is frigidly cold. Christainty added the fire to the myth.

doesn't sound like sheol as we know it

sheol is separated into 4 sections

lets see some supporting evidence of your theory of christianity simply using a greek myth

also keep in mind that the best deceptions are based on truth...Hades is a human spin on a real biblically supported(and not just in Enoch) spiritual realm connected to the heart of the earth

are you suggesting that our bible has been comprimised with false informaton about the abode of the dead based on greek mythology? I certainly hope not but you seem to be implying this
 
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Hi &Abel,

Since the definition of sheol is a stumbling block here I would like to address it if we could.

Lets compare the usage of Hades and Sheol to see if there is a similarity of the word meanings.

Both are translated hell in the old and new testament.

Example...

Psa 16:10 "for thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (Heb: sheol), Neither wilt thou suffer thine holy one to see corruption".

Act 2:27 "Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (Grk: Hade), neither wilt thou suffer thine holy one to see corruption".

It is clear here that Psa 16:10 is being quoted in Acts 2:27, so whatever the definition of Hebrew sheol is, is the same as the Greek hade.

Now we establish that sheol and hades have the same definition.

In addition to this we also know that Enoch was of the same language so it too must carry the same definition.

For starters, it is evident that whatever sheol or hades is, one can be removed from it since it states "thou wilt not LEAVE my soul in sheol".

So sheol or hades is not the final state of the dead.

Next we notice that :thou wilt not suffer thine Holy One (Refering to Christ) to see corruption. In other words His body would not decay before He was removed from this sheol/hades.

Before I continue please notice that the word "sheol" was first introduced into scripture in the very passage I just quoted Psa 16:10. You would think that if the sin of Adam and Eve would lead to such an awful sentence of burning in a literal lake of fire for all eternity for their sin that God would have mentioned it when warning Adam and Eve and if not then, at least tell them that they would be going to eternal damnation at some point before David was born and wrote the psalms. The truth is God said that their punishment was simply death. They would die and not live again.

The devil lied and said "Ye shall surely not die". That lie is still being taught but of all places......in the churches. They do not believe the wages of sin is death, they believe that the wages of sin is to live forever but at the same time as living forever you are continually dieing being in torment for all eternity in literal flames that never burn out.

Now back to the word usage of Sheol and hades.

If sheol or hades is a literal abode of the damned and all who enter it remain there forever than what of this passage?

Psa 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

David said that God had mercy on him and delivered him from the LOWEST of sheol.

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

David proves right here in this passage that God is even present in sheol. But Christianity teaches that in sheol man is seperated from them and this only adds to their torment. They teach that hell (sheol/hades) is seperation from God yet this passage is clearly stating that there is no way to be seperated from God. The passage is clarifying that God is everywhere at all times in all locatiojns and there is nowhere you can go that can seperate you from the presence of God.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

This is part of the parable God commanded Isaiah to speak unto the king of babylon, Melchisidek. We all know what happened to Him when God pronounced His judgment on him. He was hewn down just as the huge tree in his vision was. He has hewn down then left to the desert for many years. Insects made homes in and ate from his beard. He was absolutely depraved but was never sent to an abode of the damned. God brought Him to his lowest point then Melchisidek repented and God restored Him more than he ever had. You see, Sheol and hades are basically two things....
1: Physically dead having no perception of anything for the dead know not anything as scripture declares. Their very memories are gone and it is AS THOUGH they never existed yet we know they did, and we know that they will be raised but the question we are getting to is, raised to what and where?

2: Spiritually dead. Jesus said, let the dead bury the dead". He was refering to their present death which was spiritual because they were as the very dead in the ground (deaf dub and blind), not knowing anything (spiritual). They were dead as they walked and talked. They were already in sheol/hades.

As you know there is the carnal view of things and a spiritual view of things. Those who are burying the dead are the carnal ones. They have no spiritual understanding so they are spiritually dead.

Then there is the spiritual view of things and absolutely everything writtten in scripture is to be understood spiritually for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Take the demon possesed man, whom Jesus cast out that which defiled the man, and the man himself was made whole. This man was already in hades/sheol (state of the dead....not nowing any thing) in torments but notice.....Jesus did not leave him in that state. The man never made a prayer for forgivness, he never got on His knees and confessed the Lord with his mouth UNTIL AFTER CHRIST CLEANSED HIM AND MADE HIM WHOLE.

Notice the wording surrounding this text? The possessed man walked among the tombs (death/hades/sheol), He cut himself with stones (the law for He could not keep it). He was naked (exposing His sin and shame).

Now Jesus took that which defiled this man and destroyed it where????? IN A LAKE!!!
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Sound familiar? Resembles the demon possessed man doesnt it?

You see sheol/hades is not a literal geographical location. It is definately not the abode of the damned as our erronious translated bibles suggest.

It is nothing more than the "state" of the dead. That "state" is outlined throughout scripture for those with eyes to see and ears to hear what the SPIRIT is saying, not what the CARNAL MIND can only understand.

Sheol/Hades, is nothing more than not knowing anything which is the same as being physically dead (not knowing anything). So the spiritually dead are not unlike the physical dead in that they know nothing spiritual and are merely going through the actions of life ever learning but never coming to the KNOWLEDGE of the truth which is LIFE. They remain DEAD in this state until they are raised to judgment whereby this nature and state is then changed and the man himself is transformed through this Judgment of the lake of fire (here on earth with a symbolic fire).

"For when thy judgements are in the earth, the world will learn righteousness".

Lastly, I admit that the word "hell" was as good a translation as any at the time the scriptures were translated into latin, but then the definition of the word "hell" changed with the translation of hell into the King James.

The word Hell as of 400 years ago was defined as (the impercievable, unseen). If you go to a good library and find an early release dictionary dating back to roughly 1600 or earlier you will see that this was the proper definition for the word "hell".

The definition was then changed (approx year 1600) to "the abode of the damned where the devil and his agels preside over the lost, etc, etc".

400 plus years ago if someone told you to go to hell and get the potatoes they would simply go to the celler. It was dark and you had to bring a lantern with you to see anything.

So hell WAS a could word until the deifnition of the word hell took a huge change. As such many word defintiions change over long periods of time. First of all translation from one language to another is always imperfect and will always result in errors and this is admitted by scholars and theologians and translators alike. The problem is anyone reading the said translation promotes the reliability and perfection of it resulting in errors of theology.

So in conclusion "the abode of the damned" is not a definition given by Enoch or any other author of scripture. It was a definition that at one point was acceptable until its definition was then altered (drastically). The current definition is a blatant forgery of Gods word and was not and could not be an accident. You can be sure the Catholoc Church was behind this whole thing.

God Bless, Dave

I completely agree that sheol is not the final state of the dead

maybe you missed it but I already posted some evidence from wikipedia about sheol and how the word hades was substituted

makes it kinda confusing because sheol is sometimes still used and other times hades

both mean the same thing but the WORD hades has its roots in greek mythology which creates confusion(as soul searcher has shown)
 
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