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molly

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:sigh: I am not sure where this question goes but thought here is as good as any. My question is this, I was raised catholic, saved by charismatic christians, and baptised by pentacostals; I don't really have a denomination of sorts, I just go where God sends me, and consider myself "just a child of God". I also want to know if all churches "vote" members in? is that scriptural? I only know that my father who was catholic, was excommunicated from the catholic church when he married my mother, what a sad day that must have been to not be able to go to church and be accepted, I know it must have broken his heart. Just appreciate some feedback if you have some.:cry:
 

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I'd say keep prayerfully studying the Bible and visit churches until you find one that is spiritually connected, and in which you are comfortable as being a Bible believing, Christ centered church.

I don't know of any scripture that endorses a vote. Christ accepted any who would come didn't he? Even to the point that perhaps the greatest Apostle of all, Paul, spent much of his pre-Christian time hunting down Christians. I think Christians are called to help anyone who will come, to follow Christ.
 
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Thank you to those of you who took the time to answer my post,I was never baptised a catholic to my knowledge, however I did make my first holy communion, went to catholic school and got a great education, but I never and I mean never believed any catholic doctrine; I asked really good questions when I was young, and got very bad responses;I always thought something was missing.My question of what do you think I am is not actually a question, Iknow I belong to the Lord, I'm just wondering how we can have so many faiths and all believe in the same God, very confusing. I do not have the need to be of a certain denomination,I am actually getting used to the Lord sending me to different churchs and helping other christians find that maybe, just maybe God has more to offer than what they've been taught. As a catholic I really never knew a personal relationship with Jesus, I could barely keep up with my latin(yea I'm that old)When I was baptised by the pentacostal church, I was introduced to another realm of God; somethings I agree with some ...haven't decided yet however my friends God will tell me He always does. Thank You for your help.
 
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If you had your first holy communion, you had to have been baptized Catholic.

If you'd like (and only if you'd like) you could ask some of those "good questions" about the Catholic church you had and I'd be willing to give you a good answer ;)

Anyway, welcome to Christian Forums!
 
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I would say that if you were baptised Catholic, then you are a Catholic - regardless of whether or not you choose to attend a church of a differing denomination.



I don't think that's true, because I was baptised Catholic, and I'm a pagan now.... so there's got to be a bit more to it I'd think.:)
 
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Because Saint Paul says baptism is for everyone!

Here is scripture in support for infant baptism:

Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:3 - these texts show the circumcision of eight-day old babies as the way of entering into the Old Covenant - Col 2:11-12 - however, baptism is the new "circumcision" for all people of the New Covenant. Therefore, baptism is for babies as well as adults. God did not make His new Covenant narrower than the old Covenant. To the contrary, He made it wider, for both Jews and Gentiles, infants and adults.

Job 14:1-4 - man that is born of woman is full of trouble and unclean. Baptism is required for all human beings because of our sinful human nature.

Psalm 51:5 - we are conceived in the iniquity of sin. This shows the necessity of baptism from conception.

Matt. 18:2-5 - Jesus says unless we become like children, we cannot enter into heaven. So why would children be excluded from baptism?

Matt 19:14 - Jesus clearly says the kingdom of heaven also belongs to children. There is no age limit on entering the kingdom, and no age limit for being eligible for baptism.

Mark 10:14 - Jesus says to let the children come to Him for the kingdom of God also belongs to them. Jesus says nothing about being too young to come into the kingdom of God.

Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism."

Luke 18:15 - the people brought infants to Jesus that he might touch them. This proves that the receipt of grace is not dependent upon the age of reason.

Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized." This is confirmed in the next verse.

Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants.

Luke 1:59 - this proves that "teknon" includes infants. Here, John as a "teknon" (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21. So baptism is for infants as well as adults.

Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults.

Acts 16:15 - Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word "household" comes from the Greek word "oikos" which is a household that includes infants and children.

Acts 16:15 - further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia's faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents' faith, not the children's faith.

Acts 16:30-33 - it was only the adults who were candidates for baptism that had to profess a belief in Jesus. This is consistent with the Church's practice of instructing catechumens before baptism. But this verse does not support a "believer's baptism" requirement for everyone. See Acts 16:15,33.

Acts 16:33 - Paul baptized the jailer (an adult) and his entire household (which had to include children). Baptism is never limited to adults and those of the age of reason.

Rom. 5:12 - sin came through Adam and death through sin. Babies' souls are affected by Adam's sin and need baptism just like adult souls.

Rom. 5:15 - the grace of Jesus Christ surpasses that of the Old Covenant. So children can also enter the new Covenant in baptism. From a Jewish perspective, it would have been unthinkable to exclude infants and children from God's Covenant kingdom.

1 Cor. 1:16 - Paul baptized the household ("oikos") of Stephanus. Baptism is not limited to adults.

Eph. 1:1; Col. 1:2 - Paul addresses the "saints" of the Church, and these include the children he addresses in Eph. 6:1 and Col. 3:20. Children become saints of the Church only through baptism.

Eph. 2:3- we are all by nature children of wrath, in sin, like all mankind. Infants are no exception.

2 Thess. 3:10 - if anyone does not work let him not eat. But this implies that those who are unable to work should still be able to eat. Babies should not starve because they are unable to work, and should also not be denied baptism because they are unable to make a declaration of faith.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:3-5 - the faith of those who brought in the paralytic cured the paralytic's sins. This is an example of the forgiveness of sins based on another's faith, just like infant baptism. The infant child is forgiven of sin based on the parents' faith.

Matt. 8:5-13; Luke 6-10 - the servant is healed based upon the centurion's faith. This is another example of healing based on another's faith.

Mark 9:22-25 - Jesus exercises the child's unclean spirit based on the father's faith. This healing is again based on another's faith.

Exodus 12:24-28 - the Passover was based on the parent's faith. If they did not kill and eat the lamb, their first-born child died.

Joshua 5:2-7 - God punished Israel because the people had not circumcised their children. This was based on the parent's faith. The parents play a critical role in their child's salvation.
 
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molly said:
:sigh: I am not sure where this question goes but thought here is as good as any. My question is this, I was raised catholic, saved by charismatic christians, and baptised by pentacostals; I don't really have a denomination of sorts, I just go where God sends me, and consider myself "just a child of God". I also want to know if all churches "vote" members in? is that scriptural? I only know that my father who was catholic, was excommunicated from the catholic church when he married my mother, what a sad day that must have been to not be able to go to church and be accepted, I know it must have broken his heart. Just appreciate some feedback if you have some.:cry:

Molly just like emma said (and usually nails on the head :) ) dont get mixed up in the doctrine of it all. You can get baptized by every denom and "church" in the world, but its where your heart mind and spirit is that places you, not being baptized in a certain religion. The baptizim itself is symoblic, of the washing away of sins. I was baptized in a pool in someones backyard....the choice to change my life is what the real baptizm is about.

And NO to vote in members, to attend a class, and abide by the church consitution, is not scriptual or right. Its doctrine something that "man" decided to tack on to just 'ol plain believing in God and living the life striving to be christlike. You live in a community in a "church", when you move into a community or neighborhood the neighbors dont get to vote or make you attend a class to live in that neighborhood, just like the "church community", you pay(buy) with your life by giving it to God and are just accepted. Love, Forgiveness and Faith.....strip away all the muck at thats what you get. Just like what Jesus taught when he toured.

I see child baptism as a optional, children as said in the Bible are pure, unable to commit sin, so what they are being baptized for I am not sure, it is cute and a great way to introduce your child to the church, but as far as "washing away their sins" i dont think that applies. But to each their own.

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molly said:
Thank yoy emmajane, I do have my priorities straight, it's some of God's children out there that I'm concerned about. We need to be one church for Christ and I was just curious as to what kind of response I'd get, now I know.I'm sorry if I offended you with my question.
:) I'm not offended at all!

I'm really pleased that you say what you say here. It's how I feel too (and WP!) and it's difficult, but personally I think we should strive to live by it, even when our brothers and sisters become dragged down by doctrinal differences. The Holy Spirit will unite us all some day :prayer:
 
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Mylinkay Asdara said:
I don't think that's true, because I was baptised Catholic, and I'm a pagan now.... so there's got to be a bit more to it I'd think.:)
Ok, i think i understand what you are saying, and i am open to being corrected by my fellow Catholics ( and those who are attending preparatory classes to become Catholic), but as far i was aware, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, if you were baptised a Catholic, you will remain so until your dying day. This is regardless of however a person wishes to fellowship for his life after baptism.

JEFF!, am i right with this?
 
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ukok said:
Ok, i think i understand what you are saying, and i am open to being corrected by my fellow Catholics ( and those who are attending preparatory classes to become Catholic), but as far i was aware, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, if you were baptised a Catholic, you will remain so until your dying day. This is regardless of however a person wishes to fellowship for his life after baptism.

JEFF!, am i right with this?

Oh My.

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Oh My.

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may i ask why you say that, i don't understand... and i have made it relatively clear that i am not the fount of knowledge regarding Catholicism, so don't take my word as being the only one there is, please.:)
 
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:hug: I want to thank all of you who tried to answer my post. Good job and much good advice. I have to disagree with those of you who think that because a parent baptised a baby that I'm stuck with being Catholic til my dying day. As I said I'm not looking for a denomination, I Love the Lord and that's what counts, we are all one under God, and will be one church in heaven. I do have a couple of questions for Jeffery though so here goes. 1.If God is everywhere, knows everything then why is it a sin to go to any other church? 2. Who decided we needed a mediator between Jesus and myself? we come to Jesus through the father not a 3rd party.3. Who decided that the Catholic church could name a saint? we are all saints who have been saved by grace.4. Why do we need to have different kinds of sin? doesn't the word teach us that sin is sin in God's eyes he sees no different. 4 who decided we needed to pay to light a candle in church for a loved one? Ihope you won't take offense Jeffery, I'm not dogging Catholics, some of my favorite memories of my childhood are of the nuns and priests I grew up with, I just can't go with their doctrine. I know that in the last days a great number of Catholics will come to know Jesus as you do and for that I am grateful, so please don't think I'm trying to put you down, I just had too many questions. Again thank all of you for your input, I will put it before the Lord. Molly
 
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