WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE BAN ON TRANSGENDERS IN THE ARMY?

[Old Lioness]

I agree with What Trump has done. Transgenders need to get their own operations on their own dime. It is a wrong thing to do anyway. God doesn't make mistakes, and this has gotten way out of hand.
The money that is spent on the medicines and finishing off their treatments are in the billions now.
With N, Korea on the rise with the craziness of Kim un nutball out there throwing missiles at us, the money that is spent on these terribly mixed up people is taking away from our building our military might to what it should be. We need new subs, planes, ships, and carriers to say the least to pay who is in the service their dues and not WASTE it on perverted sick operations that is becoming rampant and has spilled over to child abuse ...God said in Genisis 1:2727God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."…He made MAN a MAN and a WOMAN a WOMAN..and he knew us before we were even born...

 

[SnowyMacie]

There is no ban. The President made a tweet about it, however, the military does not see tweeting as official procedure so they're not going to change anything unless Trump goes through the proper methods to change policy.
Joint Chiefs: No change in transgender policy until Trump sends Pentagon direction

 

[tulc]

(snip)

I thought the point of the "Junk Drawer" was to have a place where people didn't have these sort of discussions?
tulc(is just wondering)

 

[toberebornn]

I'm glad he's done it, considering there are like 20 transmen in the US who, yknow, function as men, and don't even get me started on the women. Most transgender people would probably join the military just for free hormones and surgery.

Please pray for my friend, she thinks she's a boy.

 

[archer75]

I agree that money shouldn't be wasted, but why not cut out the personal travel budget for the chief executive and his entourage first, since that's many times the entire military expenditures for anything to do with trans people?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I don't care if they serve, after all we allow LGB already (and they have always been in service). However why I do care about is the fact if your military, it can pay for your transition surgery. I mean... how is that "health" related? Switching genitals should fall under cosmetic surgery. Not surgery that is needed to survive.

 

[Seejer]

The money that is spent on the medicines and finishing off their treatments are in the billions now.

Billions ? Got a source for that ?

 

[HereIStand]

Transgenderism doesn't make sense medically or morally. It would be fair though to allow those already serving to continue. In the future, no one should be allowed to transition after joining the service, or in military retirement at government expense.

 

[pescador]

Transgenderism doesn't make sense medically or morally. It would be fair though to allow those already serving to continue. In the future, no one should be allowed to transition after joining the service, or in military retirement at government expense.

If someone is willing to serve in the military and put their lives at risk for you and me I don't really care about their gender. The expense is extremely minimal -- far, far less then the military spends on Viagra -- it shouldn't be even under consideration.

This is just Trump coming up with some BS to distract people from what is really going on with him and his people. It's a tweet, not an order, and he is just trying to shore up his bigoted, hateful base.

 

[Seejer]

Transgenderism doesn't make sense medically or morally

What you mean is that it doesn't make sense to you.

There are other perspectives on this issue.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Let's separate the service issue from the medical payment issue. I think anyone who is willing to go into harms way for this country should be allowed to do it. Bully for them, I say. I also think the U.S. military shouldn't pay for any elective surgery, whether its for a sex change or a cosmetic nose job. If my insurance company won't cover it (and they won't), then I'm tired of government employees getting benefits unavailable to the rest of the country. That includes the military. It's time we touch the defense budget which has become a sacred cow in this country. A few years ago when the automobile industry was in trouble, everyone was bemoaning the legacy costs tacked onto auto purchase price for autoworkers benefits. We don't ask ourselves the same question when it comes to .gov or the military.

 

[HereIStand]

What you mean is that it doesn't make sense to you.

There are other perspectives on this issue.

There are. A good medical critique is found here.

 

[HereIStand]

If someone is willing to serve in the military and put their lives at risk for you and me I don't really care about their gender. The expense is extremely minimal -- far, far less then the military spends on Viagra -- it shouldn't be even under consideration.

This is just Trump coming up with some BS to distract people from what is really going on with him and his people. It's a tweet, not an order, and he is just trying to shore up his bigoted, hateful base.

So, if a man transitions to a female while in the service, it will cost less than Viagra for the government to accommodate her. Really?

 

[SnowyMacie]

There are. A good medical critique is found here.

Dr. Paul McHugh is not a credible source on gender dysphoria. His personal claims on gender dysphoria go against the scientific findings backed by the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, and the National Institute of Health.

 

[HereIStand]

Dr. Paul McHugh is not a credible source on gender dysphoria. His personal claims on gender dysphoria go against the scientific findings all backed by the American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, and the National Institute of Health.

He's not asserting personal claims.

 

[SnowyMacie]

He's not asserting personal claims.

No, he is and disguising it at science. Here's some other articles that disagree with his claims...
Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism
A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(07)01228-9/abstract
Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus | The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism | Oxford Academic
Sexual differentiation of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis in humans may extend into adulthood. - PubMed - NCBI
The biology of human psychosexual differentiation. - PubMed - NCBI
Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation. - PubMed - NCBI
A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity. - PubMed - NCBI
Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism - ScienceDirect
http://www.journalofpsychiatricresearch.com/article/S0022-3956(10)00158-5/abstract
http://www.eje-online.org/content/155/suppl_1/S107

 

[HereIStand]

No, he is and disguising it at science.

Why would he disguise it as science. Seems like a lot of trouble.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Why would he disguise it as science. Seems like a lot of trouble.

It's really not a lot of trouble to disguise something as science, and I'm not necessarily doubting his methods or his honesty about it, but that he's making it look like there is no scientific consensus or the scientific consensus is wrong.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

What you mean is that it doesn't make sense to you.

There are other perspectives on this issue.

Um, well our view is based on God. So our view makes sense. Any other view about the issue is wrong because its not based on what God says.

f someone is willing to serve in the military and put their lives at risk for you and me I don't really care about their gender. The expense is extremely minimal -- far, far less then the military spends on Viagra -- it shouldn't be even under consideration.

But erectile dysfunction is an actual medical issue. Where as not having the other sexes genital is not a medical issue.

It's a tweet, not an order, and he is just trying to shore up his bigoted, hateful base.

Hmm, given your response I'd say maybe the hate is coming from the other side. That and throwing in everyone who voted for Trump as being hateful and bigoted. That aside are you saying christians are also bigoted? Seems impossible given what the bible says.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Where as not having the other sexes genital is not a medical issue.

Gender Dysphoria is a well-documented medical issue recognized by the AMA, both APAs, WHO, and every other credible medical organization.