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It's a fundamentalist, separatist religion that has been romanticized a great deal.
I'm not sure that I would call them "separatist", their services are as open as our LCC/LCMS are, and their communion is no more closed than ours... but for different reasons.It's a fundamentalist, separatist religion that has been romanticized a great deal.
Well most Protestants don't take things like tradition, holiness as far as "separation from the world" seriously
Actually, just about every strand of Protestantism has a group within it that takes those things extremely seriously.
They hate all pleasure and think technology is evil for some reason.How do you make that connection?
They hate all pleasure and think technology is evil for some reason.
Well, technically they're not core theological beliefs but they are some of their core beliefs.I was unaware that these were core beliefs of Jansenists. Perhaps you might with to add this information to the Wikipedia article here - Jansenism - Wikipedia
Well, technically they're not core theological beliefs but they are some of their core beliefs.
It's not so much only the Jansenists, it's because of their Calvinist ideas. The Amish like the jansenists think alcohol is evil and such. I heard from a talk by Sir Charles Coloumbe and Dr. Bill Biersach on the topic.If they are, indeed, core beliefs of Jansenists, how do you know about them? I have not encountered any evidence of these being critical aspects of Jansenism.
If I'm wrong about any of the things I have said btw feel free to correct me.If they are, indeed, core beliefs of Jansenists, how do you know about them? I have not encountered any evidence of these being critical aspects of Jansenism.
I can't ask them anything since they don't use the Internet.
Actually, the Amish congregations rarely are abstainers of alcohol, but do not advocate excess with anything; this is more likely with some Congregations of Old Order Mennonites. They are congregationalist; each congregation is autonomous; rules are set by the Bishop and Elders; fellowship agreements are not faith wide, but are agreed upon between congregations; no Synod and no central governance. Same with the old order and more traditional Mennonites; but they, as I said above are less apt to be drinkers.It's not so much only the Jansenists, it's because of their Calvinist ideas. The Amish like the jansenists think alcohol is evil and such. I heard from a talk by Sir Charles Coloumbe and Dr. Bill Biersach on the topic.
I respect them for their commitment to non-violence, but have little agreement with much else in the broader Anabaptist tradition.
-CryptoLutheran
I think they're Jansenist.
Oh. OkActually, the Amish congregations rarely are abstainers of alcohol, but do not advocate excess with anything; this is more likely with some Congregations of Old Order Mennonites. They are congregationalist; each congregation is autonomous; rules are set by the Bishop and Elders; fellowship agreements are not faith wide, but are agreed upon between congregations; no Synod and no central governance. Same with the old order and more traditional Mennonites; but they, as I said above are less apt to be drinkers.
I wouldn't use it for strict, as Catholicism properly practiced is strict, I would use it for someone who hates all pleasure, which is somewhat correct but not entirely.The Jansenists had an Augustinian (almost Calvinist) view of Grace and taught that Communion should be taken infrequently and with special preparation. The Jansenists were not anti-technology (indeed, Blaise Pascal was a scientist and mathematician).
In contrast, the Amish afaik have a more or less Arminian view of Grace, although they share the belief in infrequent communion.
The Amish are not, in any sense, Jansenist. I can see why you would think so, though: many Catholics (incorrectly) use "Jansenist" as a synonym for "strict."
That's a rather drastic oversimplification.They hate all pleasure and think technology is evil for some reason.
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