What do you suppose is the mark of the beast?

[honestal]

The mark of the beast is all about "worship":

“All the inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast…” {Rev. 13:8 NIV}
“[He] made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast.” {Rev. 13:12 NIV}
“[He] causes all who refuse to worship the image to be killed.” {Rev. 13:15 NIV}
“Anyone who worships the beast…must drink the wine of God’s wrath.” {Rev. 14:9 NLT}
“Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them…had not worshiped the beast.” {Rev. 20:4 NLT}

It has nothing to do with mega-computers and barcodes.

 

[honestal]

No statue, so revelation is post Roman empire.

YES... the beast of Revelation 13 is "post Roman Empire."

 

[honestal]

“Most Reformation writers and all Reformers themselves, from Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox identify the Roman Catholic Church with the harlot of Babylon… Identification of the Pope as the Antichrist was written into Protestant creeds such as the Westminster Confession of 1646. The identification of the Roman Catholic Church with the harlot of Babylon is kept in the Scofield Reference Bible.” {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whore_of_Babylon_(historicism)}

“Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Cranmer; in the seventeenth century, Bunyan, the translators of the King James Bible and the men who published the Westminster and Baptist confessions of Faith; Sir Isaac Newton, Wesley, Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards; and more recently Spurgeon, Bishop J.C. Ryle and Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones; these men among countless others, all saw the office of the Papacy as the antichrist.” {All Roads Lead to Rome, p. 205}

“Luther … proved, by the revelations of Daniel and St. John, by the epistles of St. Paul, St. Peter, and St. Jude, that the reign of Antichrist, predicted and described in the Bible, was the Papacy.” {D’aubigne’s History of the Reformation of the Sixteen Century, book vi, chapter xii, p. 215}

“‘He shall speak great words against the Most High…’ To none can this apply so well or so fully as to the popes of Rome. They have assumed infallibility, which belongs only to God. They profess to forgive sins, which belongs only to God. They profess to open and shut heaven, which belongs only to God. They profess to be higher than all the kings of the earth, which belongs only to God…” {Adam Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible, his notes on Daniel 7:25}

“He (Daniel) especially desired to know respecting the little horn, which made war with the saints, and prevailed against them. Here is foretold the rage of papal Rome against true Christians.” {Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary}

“Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt… I shall briefly show that (Paul’s words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy.” {Institutes of the Christian Religion, by John Calvin}

“The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them.” {The Fall of Babylon, by Cotton Mather}

 

[Gregory Thompson]

YES... the beast of Revelation 13 is "post Roman Empire."

Jesus fulfilled the statue prophecy of Daniel by being the stone that grinds to powder. the Pharisees perceived this saying to be about them, who later said, "our only king is Caesar."

Daniel's prophecy spoke of the nations leading up to the time of Christ, Revelation is for another set of nations, one of which is a chimera of the first three in the Daniel prophecy. The Iron Beast is a car, a tank, a bulldozer - it is iconic of the nation it represents, whatever nation that might be.

A unique piece of information for Revelation is that the Revelation Iron Beast uses the power of the dragon to fuel it. Since our metal beasts (today) use fossil fuels (the bones of dragons or dinosaurs) it's not really a far stretch to see a future where something of this nature happens either as a ripple or as a stone dropping in the pond.

However, now there are many "iron beasts" that devour the earth and trample the residue under their feet. (nations and corporations both)

So the futurist idea that this prophecy that speaks of "the beast" is either of a past time, or a time even further in the future.

Also the lamb with two horns was not in the Daniel prophecy.

So after looking at it, whatever the implications. Daniel and Revelation do not appear to speak of the same events, just similar events at different times.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Jesus fulfilled the statue prophecy of Daniel by being the stone that grinds to powder. the Pharisees perceived this saying to be about them, who later said, "our only king is Caesar."

Daniel's prophecy spoke of the nations leading up to the time of Christ, Revelation is for another set of nations, one of which is a chimera of the first three in the Daniel prophecy. The Iron Beast is a car, a tank, a bulldozer - it is iconic of the nation it represents, whatever nation that might be.

A unique piece of information for Revelation is that the Revelation Iron Beast uses the power of the dragon to fuel it. Since our metal beasts (today) use fossil fuels (the bones of dragons or dinosaurs) it's not really a far stretch to see a future where something of this nature happens either as a ripple or as a stone dropping in the pond.

However, now there are many "iron beasts" that devour the earth and trample the residue under their feet. (nations and corporations both)

So the futurist idea that this prophecy that speaks of "the beast" is either of a past time, or a time even further in the future.

Also the lamb with two horns was not in the Daniel prophecy.

So after looking at it, whatever the implications. Daniel and Revelation do not appear to speak of the same events, just similar events at different times.

Hi, how many times can the kingdom that comes and covers the earth and has no end originate? In Daniel 7 the pompous one is persecuting the saints for a time time and half a time and is defeated when the kingdom is given to the son of man who is before the ancient of days. This kingdom covers the earth and has no end. The pompous one is given to the flame and the other beasts lose their dominion but have there lives prolonged for a season and a time.

Now when Jesus came did he stop a 42 month long persecution? Did he start a kingdom that covers the earth and has no end where Dan 2 notes there is no trace of the other kingdoms left when they are ground to powder and blown away. This pompous one being given to the flame is not that what happens to the beast is Rev? The other beast lose their dominion but have their lives prolonged a season and a time; could that be Satan and the fallen angles being bound a season of a 1000 years to be released at the end for one last rebellion at the end of the millennium?

Most who take your point of view take Dan 9 having the Jesus be baptized as the beginning of the 70th week and then the cross as making an end of the sacrifice in the middle of the 70th week. Up to here it might be plausible but nothing happens 42 months after the abomination of desolation. If these 70 weeks were continuous that is a big problem. The futurist sees only 69 weeks completed and that the return of the sacrifice is the stage to be set for the abomination of desolation and exactly 42 months from that time will be Armageddon and the 2nd coming of Jesus.

Hosea 3 4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.


This passage is much overlooked but it links the return of the kingdom with the coming of the kingdom and the kingdom age beginning. In Jesus day the sacrifice was up and running a long while and now there has been no sacrifice since 70 AD. The return of the sacrifice is the stage set for the man of sin 2 Thes 2 to be revealed. This guy is the same guy in Dan 7 and the beast of Rev. All 3 are destroyed at the coming of the LORD and the onset of the kingdom. In Dan 9 the 6 achievements are often discussed and they are

To finish the transgression,
To make an end of[fn] sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

and many consider this list to be fulfilled in Jesus 1st advent.

The problem with this list alone is this verse is the context of the list.

“Seventy weeks[fn] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,

So in this context Jesus 1st advent as far as Jerusalem and most Jews it did not accomplish this.

If you look at the before and after picture of the tribulation and Jerusalem there is a great transformation for both people and city that is glorious.

This is already a long post but if you study this theme as well as Luke on prophecies about what Jesus would accomplish again the focus is taking the throne of David and delivering Jews from their enemies to begin a era of peace and holiness and it notes that Jesus will keep the promises, fulfill the prophecies and oaths to do this very thing. This is the 70th week of Daniel and in the middle of the week will be the mark of the beast imediatley after the abomination of desolation.

 

[RaymondG]

@RaymondG might i suggest you go to the following online Bible...it has heaps of references texts, for any passage you are reading, in the RHS column.

biblehub.com

(this is a really great study bible resource...it allows you to swap between translations, look at the Greek interlinear, search for keywords and texts...a whole heap of stuff)

the mark in our minds and our hands is somewhat metaphorical. It is talking about our thoughts AND actions.

If you recall the bible text Matthew 7:19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven"

I take it you did not read Reply 3 ?

Or are you telling me that you agree with what I said?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I can imagine......

Walid Shoebat, a man born in palestine of American mother and Islamic father of the line of Esau/Edom, reads Arabic, is a Christian, and read the ancient words John wrote and saw. John wrote what he saw. It was centuries before Mohammad, but John saw and wrote the "biz'm allah" in the same slanted way it is written on Saudi Arabian flags.
Walid said the word used for mark was a word that showed it was something they wore on their foreheads and on their arms, and multitudes were wearing that name in the army of the AC.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

I take it you did not read Reply 3 ?

Or are you telling me that you agree with what I said?

Hi Raymond...The reason for the inclusion of the Biblehub.com was because it is a great resource for anyone reading this thread, who may not be aware of it, in finding related scriptures about specific texts that help further explain them.

My view is the mark of the beast is not a literal mark...we are defined by "our fruits". These are our thoughts and actions and if that is also what you are saying, then yes we agree.

It may be possible that there is some credit card style computer chip implanted into people who "bow down and worship the beast" so to speak (who knows), but certainly Jesus words in Matthew 7:20 "by their fruit you will know them" rings true in this context.

A question of interest to me on this topic, Jesus gave of himself to die for our sins, would someone who chose to worship the beast so that one could access resources (food, medicine etc) in order for "the saints who do not worship the beast" to survive be condemned or saved?

-Jesus gave up his life to save others from their sins

-What about person who is saved giving up their salvation by worshipping the beast to save others lives in this lifetime (particularly in the time of persecution and trouble)?

 

[Hammster]

(Still first century)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hi, how many times can the kingdom that comes and covers the earth and has no end originate? In Daniel 7 the pompous one is persecuting the saints for a time time and half a time and is defeated when the kingdom is given to the son of man who is before the ancient of days. This kingdom covers the earth and has no end. The pompous one is given to the flame and the other beasts lose their dominion but have there lives prolonged for a season and a time.

Now when Jesus came did he stop a 42 month long persecution? Did he start a kingdom that covers the earth and has no end where Dan 2 notes there is no trace of the other kingdoms left when they are ground to powder and blown away. This pompous one being given to the flame is not that what happens to the beast is Rev? The other beast lose their dominion but have their lives prolonged a season and a time; could that be Satan and the fallen angles being bound a season of a 1000 years to be released at the end for one last rebellion at the end of the millennium?

Most who take your point of view take Dan 9 having the Jesus be baptized as the beginning of the 70th week and then the cross as making an end of the sacrifice in the middle of the 70th week. Up to here it might be plausible but nothing happens 42 months after the abomination of desolation. If these 70 weeks were continuous that is a big problem. The futurist sees only 69 weeks completed and that the return of the sacrifice is the stage to be set for the abomination of desolation and exactly 42 months from that time will be Armageddon and the 2nd coming of Jesus.

Hosea 3 4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.


This passage is much overlooked but it links the return of the kingdom with the coming of the kingdom and the kingdom age beginning. In Jesus day the sacrifice was up and running a long while and now there has been no sacrifice since 70 AD. The return of the sacrifice is the stage set for the man of sin 2 Thes 2 to be revealed. This guy is the same guy in Dan 7 and the beast of Rev. All 3 are destroyed at the coming of the LORD and the onset of the kingdom. In Dan 9 the 6 achievements are often discussed and they are

To finish the transgression,
To make an end of[fn] sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

and many consider this list to be fulfilled in Jesus 1st advent.

The problem with this list alone is this verse is the context of the list.

“Seventy weeks[fn] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,

So in this context Jesus 1st advent as far as Jerusalem and most Jews it did not accomplish this.

If you look at the before and after picture of the tribulation and Jerusalem there is a great transformation for both people and city that is glorious.

This is already a long post but if you study this theme as well as Luke on prophecies about what Jesus would accomplish again the focus is taking the throne of David and delivering Jews from their enemies to begin a era of peace and holiness and it notes that Jesus will keep the promises, fulfill the prophecies and oaths to do this very thing. This is the 70th week of Daniel and in the middle of the week will be the mark of the beast imediatley after the abomination of desolation.

Also citing the circumstances surrounding the first coming, Jesus appeared in a way that was unexpected based on a standard reading of the text.

So it is also possible everything is wrong about the way you're looking at it, even if it is the bible.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Hi in Luke 1 we see the prophecies made about Jesus and these are all still to be fulfilled. You see the idea of two advents was not understood and the deliverance from their enemies and keeping the oaths, promises and covenant to take the throne of David is what they were expecting and indeed that is what is happening in Rev. Read Luke 1.

The prophets also spoke of the stone rejected by the builders becoming the chief corner stone and they spoke of the suffering servant in Isaiah 53, psalm 22 and a new covenant coming in Jer 31. All these things Jesus did. He even came to the day Dan 9 said he would 483 years from the order to rebuild Jerusalem and is walls. This date is recorded in history that the order was made and fast forward you find Jesus riding in on the foal of a donkey on that day.

I have a real good understanding of end times prophecy and can tell you we are in the last days and soon the seal judgments will be opened and great tribulation is on the whole earth for 7 years.

 

[SingingTheBlues]

I am amazed by the high level of education on end times prophecy exhibited here but I am surprised by the fact that nobody has as of yet adequately explained the mark. At least as far as I can tell.

"This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666."

So, who is the one who has understanding? And the term, count or calculate or whatever the exact translation is, is interesting. That implies a mathematical process. And is the number three 6's? The text makes it sound like a literal six hundred and sixty six. In other words a sum.

Then that number is the number of a man. I can't think of any number that would represent a man in biblical terms but today numbers are commonly used to ID people: SOC, drivers License, medical cards, insurance, credit, etc but what number would somebody be refering to 2000 years ago? Census, tax ID, the Roman's kept records. Age, weight, height, IQ, shoe size, cranial diameter....

Clearly I don't have wisdom in this context because I don't see it.

Edit: I wonder if this is relevant? "Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold." 1 Kings 10:14

 

[Taodeching]

(Still first century)

Exactly, first century

 

[Timtofly]

I am amazed by the high level of education on end times prophecy exhibited here but I am surprised by the fact that nobody has as of yet adequately explained the mark. At least as far as I can tell.

"This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666."

So, who is the one who has understanding? And the term, count or calculate or whatever the exact translation is, is interesting. That implies a mathematical process. And is the number three 6's? The text makes it sound like a literal six hundred and sixty six. In other words a sum.

Then that number is the number of a man. I can't think of any number that would represent a man in biblical terms but today numbers are commonly used to ID people: SOC, drivers License, medical cards, insurance, credit, etc but what number would somebody be refering to 2000 years ago? Census, tax ID, the Roman's kept records. Age, weight, height, IQ, shoe size, cranial diameter....

Clearly I don't have wisdom in this context because I don't see it.

Edit: I wonder if this is relevant? "Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold." 1 Kings 10:14

The man is Adam. The number is an expiration date. The punishment given to Adam expires soon. It was 6000 years, 6 days a week, and 6 hours a day. Adam and his descendants would have to work by the sweat of their brow. No greater punishment than the length of the 6 days of creation. Exodus 20:8-11.

The 7th Trumpet is the end of Adam's punishment. No more will Adam's flesh and blood have to pay the price. Sin is finished. The curse is lifted. Yet Satan is given a 42 month extension. However the mark means the curse is placed on those who want to continue on with Satan. Those who think labor will give a reward. It will only lead to Death and the Lake of Fire. Many will choose the mark, just out of spite, and in solidarity with Satan.

 

[Hammster]

Exactly, first century

We are definitely in the minority.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

We are definitely in the minority.

Hi I must admit the faith of those who hold to Rev being a historical book and already completed is strong despite every detail the futurist hold lining up in real time in current events. There are several other ideas embraced by this camp that hold partial truths and error that once accepted it seems to galvanize a closed mind on this topic. That is that there is no millennium and that the church is now Israel and the kingdom is spiritual only.


They take a few verses literally and then many more verses as allegory to keep the concept from contradiction. The literalist who agrees with a concept of a spiritual kingdom and spiritual Israel but also sees the new covenant not canceling the covenant with Abraham and then the destiny of the world is Israel being saved and Jesus reigning over the earth for 1000 years when national Israel is saved at the end of the tribulation. The futurist view sees all the prophecy fulfilled just as the text says.

Now the futurist believes Israel will get the 3rd temple at a time when global government is being formed and the land of Israel will be divided. This return of the sacrifice will be the stage set for the man of sin to be revealed in. This can only occur when the moral conditions of the world are equal or surpassing the days of Noah and Lot. Now this global government is formed at a time of great crisis and the seal judgments will be global and indeed 1/4 of the earth will die off when global hyperinflation comes and peace is taken from the earth. This is when the rider on the white horse is loosed and he is conquering at the opening of the seals. By Chapter 13 he has been giver power and authority over every tribe tongue kindred and nation for 42 months and he begins persecution and the mark and image of the beast last for 42 months. This mid point will be the abomination of desoaltion in the 3rd temple.


Now Israel is a nation, the global reset is planning the post dollar era. When the dollar collapses it will cause global hyperinflation and the seal judgement conditions. The Phoenix risisng out of the ashes is the NWO with one head. Israel is in expectation and has everything prepared for the 3rd temple. We are starting to see men's hearts fail them for fear of what is coming upon the earth and the earth is looking for a man with a plan. The earth is also ready to start persecution of both Christians and Jews. Note not all Christians will be targeted as many rainbow flag churches will be part of the new one world religion. Anyway to think that it is all history past right now in my opinion is closing your eyes to a much larger body of evidence that says this is still future.

 

[RaymondG]

I am amazed by the high level of education on end times prophecy exhibited here but I am surprised by the fact that nobody has as of yet adequately explained the mark. At least as far as I can tell.

"This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666."

So, who is the one who has understanding? And the term, count or calculate or whatever the exact translation is, is interesting. That implies a mathematical process. And is the number three 6's? The text makes it sound like a literal six hundred and sixty six. In other words a sum.

Then that number is the number of a man. I can't think of any number that would represent a man in biblical terms but today numbers are commonly used to ID people: SOC, drivers License, medical cards, insurance, credit, etc but what number would somebody be refering to 2000 years ago? Census, tax ID, the Roman's kept records. Age, weight, height, IQ, shoe size, cranial diameter....

Clearly I don't have wisdom in this context because I don't see it.

Edit: I wonder if this is relevant? "Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold." 1 Kings 10:14

You are correct....they are linked.

In numerology, you reduce the numbers to get to it's meaning:
6+6+6=18, 1+8 = 9
6*6*6=216, 2+1+6 =9
1+4+4+0+0+0= 9 (144,000)

It is known that 9 is the number of man....Or the mind of man......the carnal mind.
This is what rules us now.....the enemy we must overcome..... The one who makes us feel wise in our own deceit. The one who makes us send to the cross, the spirit of truth, when it comes, because it sounds strange and against everything that we have ever thought/ believed or did in the past....the mark of the beast.

 

[atpollard]

I think the mark of the beast is a Covid Mask ... being forced to run around in a cloth muzzle that makes it hard to breathe seems like something evil that the Devil would think of. [just kidding ... except about hating to wear a mask, I really do have trouble breathing in them]

 

[Hammster]

Hi I must admit the faith of those who hold to Rev being a historical book and already completed is strong despite every detail the futurist hold lining up in real time in current events.

There was a book written in 1977, I believe, that examined all of the “futurist” claimed made up to that point just in the 20th century. The point was that there had already been many claims made, using both scripture and current events for those times, and they never panned out. I’m sure a follow-up could be written for books produced since then, with the same conclusion. (My favorite title is 88 Reasons Christ will return in ‘88.)

So trying to say, “but look at what’s happening now” has been done ad nauseum. And it’s unnecessary.

Both the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are about the judgment to come on Israel, and that the judgement is meted out by the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. This is what Christ warns about. “This generation” means just that. Warnings about what must soon take place, and the time is near had real implications for those who were going through tribulation with John.

So, I’ll stick with scripture, use scripture to interpret scripture, and keep the newspapers in the recycling bin.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

There was a book written in 1977, I believe, that examined all of the “futurist” claimed made up to that point just in the 20th century. The point was that there had already been many claims made, using both scripture and current events for those times, and they never panned out. I’m sure a follow-up could be written for books produced since then, with the same conclusion. (My favorite title is 88 Reasons Christ will return in ‘88.)

So trying to say, “but look at what’s happening now” has been done ad nauseum. And it’s unnecessary.

Both the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are about the judgment to come on Israel, and that the judgement is meted out by the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. This is what Christ warns about. “This generation” means just that. Warnings about what must soon take place, and the time is near had real implications for those who were going through tribulation with John.

So, I’ll stick with scripture, use scripture to interpret scripture, and keep the newspapers in the recycling bin.

Hi if you take that book in 1977 and look at some of the metrics they used it is interesting to consider them. For instance in the 70's and early 80's men like Billy Graham were quoted as saying things like if God does not judge America then he owes Sodom and Gomorrah and apology. You see they immovable end of a one world government and Israel getting the Temple, Ezekiel 38 and all are still on the board. Where they were wrong is in thinking that the US would fall and Europe would rise and become the 10 nations of Daniel. Now they also though we were as evil as could be and that judgment was nigh.
They also understood that the abomination of desolation would occur in the temple and in that day the Temple Institute made great gains in that front and many peace covenants were tossed about that very well could have been the covenant with the many made in Daniel 9 as expected.

So lets move forward to today and also consider Jer who was a young man when called and he preached a message that did not come to pass in full until he was very old. Now the evil of the world today verses 1977. Gay marriage is now legal in almost every country and even that basic fact of Genesis is now past tense that there are only two genders. Satan aspiration is to be like the most high and now we have genetically modified almost all crops and God created them and noted it was good now they are no longer made by the creator by hijacked with new codes. The world government is certainly now coming and if you study the great reset which is a real time plan with the support of most world leaders we are seeing it moving forward very quickly. The idea of Europe ruling the world is not going to happen but the idea of 10 leaders of 10 zones like the EU rising to power is very real. The beast gains control over all for only 42 months and then that is it Armageddon.

The symbols back then were plenty like the EU HQ being designed like an unfinished tower of Babel complete with a sculpture of a woman riding the beast on the outside. Now we have global symbols such as the UN making a replica of the ark of the covenant and placing the UN earth charter in it and carrying it on poles and placing it into the UN building in New York all decorated in new age symbols. Symbolically this is replacing the 10 commandments and right now the IMF is waiting to be the global federal reserve of the world.

You see if you list all the prophecy about Israel, Jerusalem the earth there is a before and after picture.
The key moment is when Jesus comes then compare to after he comes. You will not see abortion, gay marriage, genocides, Islam or any other false religion until the beast is loosed. There will be world peace and an abundance of grain and Jerusalem will be where Jesus sits on Davids throne and the new river created when the My of Olives splits is flowing in Ezekiel 47 when the 12 tribes gain their inheritance in the land. Look at Zech 12 and tell me when has this been fulfilled?

Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day,” says the LORD, “I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the LORD of hosts, their God.’ 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.
7 “The LORD will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. 8 In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them. 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

This is a long answer and barely covers any of the multitudes of the before and after aspect that is harmonious in both testaments.