What Do You Propose...?

[Zaac]

Are you REALLY sure you're interested in hearing? It will b/c quite amusing. You'll get everytihng from a healing alter call, or become celibate, or abstain, or go to ex-gay therapy where some savage make-believe pastors will pray the gay away, and all sorta fun things. Keep in mind, most of those that think it can be changed, and it's just "the enemy" speaking, also believe the earth is flat, dinosaurs are made up, and the earth is only 2000 years old...so be smart, use your God-given intelligence, and take what you hear with a grain of salt..and then some! Peace!!!

Folks commit homosexual fornication because they want to.

The only way that's ever going to change is if those same people decide that it is much more important to them to be pleasing to Jesus Christ than it is for them to fornicate.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I'm asking the question so that the person I'm talking to thinks about it for themselves, to think about their own behavior. Maybe they've never thought about it because no one ever asked them about it.

You honestly think people have not wrestled with all sorts of questions about our sexual attractions?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Folks commit homosexual fornication because they want to.

The only way that's ever going to change is if those same people decide that it is much more important to them to be pleasing to Jesus Christ than it is for them to fornicate.

Only problem is this: You have shown yourself to be quite happy calling people fornicators without having proof of it.

 

[Zaac]

Only problem is this: You have shown yourself to be quite happy calling people fornicators without having proof of it.

Me calling folks fornicators who have said they are has nothing to do with them stopping.

What do I need proof for to say that homosexual fornicators are fornicating?

 

[Zecryphon]

You honestly think people have not wrestled with all sorts of questions about our sexual attractions?

I think it would be silly of me to assume that ALL people have wrestled with this. Some people just never really stop to think about it. Some people do what they want, when they want, simply because they can. To say all people wrestle with issues of morality when it comes to sex is just not reasonable in my opinion, and I'm not limiting my comments here to just homosexuals. My comments are about people regardless of sexual orientation.

 

[LunarPlexus]

Me calling folks fornicators who have said they are has nothing to do with them stopping.

What do I need proof for to say that homosexual fornicators are fornicating?

Because fornication refers to pre-marital sex, hence couples that live in a state that allows gay marriage are able to be wed and no longer fornicate.

Please don't let us get into definitions...I BEG YOU!

By the way all, I'm actually liking this flow of questions...I think asking questions is a better way of getting someone to hear what you're saying than just stating the same opinion over and over and over...
Anywho...

Zecryphon:

I think it would be silly of me to assume that ALL people have wrestled with this. Some people just never really stop to think about it. Some people do what they want, when they want, simply because they can. To say all people wrestle with issues of morality when it comes to sex is just not reasonable in my opinion, and I'm not limiting my comments here to just homosexuals. My comments are about people regardless of sexual orientation.

Sexuality is such a huge part of human nature that it is pretty safe to say that a lot of thought, consideration and concern goes towards it.
It has a lot to do with what society tells you as well.
Even a heterosexual who finds that they have an interest in a certain sex act will have even small doubts and concerns if they've spent they're lives thus far being told that it isn't normal.

We're all post-sexual revolution now, but there is still enough stigma and inhibitions in society that any personal revelation about one's sexual tastes will involve some soul-searching...if only subconciously.

When it comes to realizing that you are attracted to the same sex, it involves a HUGE range of feelings. I don't think there is a gay or bisexual person in the world who just woke up realizing that this was their sexual identity and went about their buisness without a second thought.

When it comes to sexuality, it isn't just a matter of people 'doing what they want.' You can only apply that to the actual choice to act upon one's desires, whereas sexual identity itself is so much less black and white than that. It isn't even limited to sexual identity.

And this leads me to another question...

Do you believe that it is necessary to establish our own identity to be content?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Me calling folks fornicators who have said they are has nothing to do with them stopping.

What do I need proof for to say that homosexual fornicators are fornicating?

You have no way of knowing if somebody is fornicating unless you are spying on them.

What light can be brought to the discussion by your unfounded accusations of fornicationcan and your eerie obsession with gay sex?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I think it would be silly of me to assume that ALL people have wrestled with this. Some people just never really stop to think about it. Some people do what they want, when they want, simply because they can. To say all people wrestle with issues of morality when it comes to sex is just not reasonable in my opinion, and I'm not limiting my comments here to just homosexuals. My comments are about people regardless of sexual orientation.

Hmmm.

OK.

I am not overly suspicious of people.
I tend to give most people credit as moral beings.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear ChaliceThunder,

You have no way of knowing if somebody is fornicating unless you are spying on them.

Unless of course they said so. I think we are discussing the act not who might be guilty.

What light can be brought to the discussion by your unfounded accusations of fornicationcan

Who exactly. Zaac is talking in general about the act, it seems you have someone in mind you are judging.

 

[Zecryphon]

"It has a lot to do with what society tells you as well."

And what is society telling you? I see more acceptance of homosexuals in society today than at any other time in history.

"Even a heterosexual who finds that they have an interest in a certain sex act will have even small doubts and concerns if they've spent they're lives thus far being told that it isn't normal."

Society will not generally tell you it's not normal, since society seems to be adopting the post-modern attitude of absolute right and wrong can not be known and it's all up to you to decide for yourself what is right and wrong and it's not my place to tell you you're wrong.

We're all post-sexual revolution now, but there is still enough stigma and inhibitions in society that any personal revelation about one's sexual tastes will involve some soul-searching...if only subconciously.

Then one must decide if they want to reveal their sexual tastes to society at large. I know I don't make my bedroom practices known to the world at large.

"When it comes to realizing that you are attracted to the same sex, it involves a HUGE range of feelings. I don't think there is a gay or bisexual person in the world who just woke up realizing that this was their sexual identity and went about their buisness without a second thought."

You're focusing on identity now, when it's really the behavior of homosexuals that some people have a problem with.

"When it comes to sexuality, it isn't just a matter of people 'doing what they want.' You can only apply that to the actual choice to act upon one's desires, whereas sexual identity itself is so much less black and white than that. It isn't even limited to sexual identity."

I've been focusing on the act more than the identity. It would seem that the two go hand in hand, if you're having gay sex, you're most likely gay and vice versa. If you're gay you're most likely going to engage in gay sex. Same thing for heterosexuals. As for sexual identity not being black and white, how is it not black and white? You're either, straight, gay, bi or transgendered. It used to be you were either straight or gay. I guess progress is being made.

"And this leads me to another question...

Do you believe that it is necessary to establish our own identity to be content?"

Isn't your sexual identity already established for you. You have one of 4 categories you can fall into these days. Depending upon what you like to do, you have a category waiting for you that you can fit into. What identity is there that you need to establish on your own? I didn't have to establish a heterosexual identity. I'm attracted to females only, therefore I'm heterosexual. What more do I have to do to establish a sexual identity for myself?

 

[LunarPlexus]

I like you, Zecryphon.

 

[Zecryphon]

I like you, Zecryphon.

You do? Why? It would seem we're on opposite sides of this issue. Don't get me wrong I'm touched and all, but just curious as to why you would just come out and say that.