What do you mean by "Trinity"?

[Hoghead1]

More careful reading of my sources confirms that my original assessment is correct. Eternity in theology means primarily timelessness.


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What sources are you reading? True, some did view eternity as timelessness, but there is good reason for questioning this assumption. After all, if we go to eternity, and it is strictly timeless, then we can't even move an inch.

 

[Colter]

More careful reading of my sources confirms that my original assessment is correct. Eternity in theology means primarily timelessness.


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I agree, the eternal God is everywhere and every when. Finite things have beginnings but not necessarily endings. In eternal life, life without end from now, the salvaged sons of God will still be conscious of time in some way yet the Eternal God will still transcend time.

 

[Erose]

What sources are you reading? True, some did view eternity as timelessness, but there is good reason for questioning this assumption. After all, if we go to eternity, and it is strictly timeless, then we can't even move an inch.

I already given you my sources.

Anyway, with your view of God, I can understand why you wouldn't like that definition.


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[ScottA]

No, I am reading the Bible. I am responding to the fact it presents a flat earth and a geocentric view of teh cosmos. I am also responding to the well-established fact that there are around 100 major contradictions. I believe I already gave you some examples, which I find you ignored. So, can you explain why 2 Sam. 21:10 says that Elhanan killed Goliath? You say there are no contradictions, so let's hear how you can sweep this one away.

If you focus on the panes, you will miss the view through the window...and you have.

"19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."

You have completely missed the logical purpose of the world: The world was created to eliminate - to set a trap for - evil. It is all a riddle which has occupied you with its nonsense. All that you have discovered is intentional. You must look past the riddle, but instead you have stumbled...and your words are the words of a captive. And if instead your ears had perked up at the news of the captives being set free - you would have come to the call.

This is why I have said that you read only media - because you have read, but not perceived.

 

[hedrick]

Note that the KJ has "the brother of" in italics, meaning it's not in the original. NIV has a footnote saying it's not in the Hebrew. Most other recent translations don't have "the brother of" in the text.

One can certainly conjecture that the text is damaged and restore it from Chronicles. But the text as it stands doesn't contain "brother of." It's just as possible that 1 Chron is trying to avoid a contraction by adding it.

 

[ScottA]

Note that the KJ has "the brother of" in italics, meaning it's not in the original. NIV has a footnote saying it's not in the Hebrew. Most other recent translations don't have "the brother of" in the text.

One can certainly conjecture that the text is damaged and restore it from Chronicles. But the text as it stands doesn't contain "brother of." It's just as possible that 1 Chron is trying to avoid a contraction by adding it.

The point is NOT the text or the possibility of contradiction - but rather that the scriptures must be discerned spiritually.

In the hands of the spiritually born again of God, the scriptures are good for such disputes (2 Timothy 3:16)...but is foolishness to those who are perishing. 1 Corinthians 2:14

Who here has claimed foolishness with regard to the scriptures - and who has referred to the greater understanding of the Spirit?

You know who you are.

 

[Hoghead1]

The point is NOT the text or the possibility of contradiction - but rather that the scriptures must be discerned spiritually.

In the hands of the spiritually born again of God, the scriptures are good for such disputes (2 Timothy 3:16)...but is foolishness to those who are perishing. 1 Corinthians 2:14

Who here has claimed foolishness with regard to the scriptures - and who has referred to the greater understanding of the Spirit?

You know who you are.

That is beside the point. The fact is, 2 Sam. 21:19 is a contradiction, a major one, one which you have neglected to explain away. Maybe you great "spiritual discernment" wasn't working when you looked at the passage?

 

[Hoghead1]

Note that the KJ has "the brother of" in italics, meaning it's not in the original. NIV has a footnote saying it's not in the Hebrew. Most other recent translations don't have "the brother of" in the text.

One can certainly conjecture that the text is damaged and restore it from Chronicles. But the text as it stands doesn't contain "brother of." It's just as possible that 1 Chron is trying to avoid a contraction by adding it.

Well, most scholars think 2 Sam. 21:19 is just a scribal error. But I wonder. Could it be that David had the scribes do some spin-doctoring? Maybe 2 Sam. 21:19 is the true version of events that some lucky scribe managed to smuggle in.

 

[ScottA]

That is beside the point. The fact is, 2 Sam. 21:19 is a contradiction, a major one, one which you have neglected to explain away. Maybe you great "spiritual discernment" wasn't working when you looked at the passage?

I did explain (and now I am again):

All language has been [intentionally] confused by God - including the scriptures. And the reason, is to put off those who do not hear what the Spirit says.

 

[Hoghead1]

If you focus on the panes, you will miss the view through the window...and you have.

"19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."

You have completely missed the logical purpose of the world: The world was created to eliminate - to set a trap for - evil. It is all a riddle which has occupied you with its nonsense. All that you have discovered is intentional. You must look past the riddle, but instead you have stumbled...and your words are the words of a captive. And if instead your ears had perked up at the news of the captives being set free - you would have come to the call.

This is why I have said that you read only media - because you have read, but not perceived.

No. Definitely wrong, wrong, wrong. The Hebrew text omits "brother of." That was added in by later translators to gloss over the contradiction here. It is a major tampering with the text. That's why why some recent English editions of the Bible have omitted "brother of" in this passage.

 

[ScottA]

No. Definitely wrong, wrong, wrong. The Hebrew text omits "brother of." That was added in by later translators to gloss over the contradiction here. It is a major tampering with the text. That's why why some recent English editions of the Bible have omitted "brother of" in this passage.

You are down the confused text rabbit hole again ignoring the real issue, which I explained...and I am not going to follow you down the hole again. So...if you don't want to discuss the spiritual truth behind the riddle - go ask Alice.

 

[Colter]

You are down the confused text rabbit hole again ignoring the real issue, which I explained...and I am not going to follow you down the hole again. So...if you don't want to discuss the spiritual truth behind the riddle - go ask Alice.

There is no deep hidden message in the factual errors left behind after the Hebrews vast restatement of their secular history in Babylon. Hoghead is right, and the only scrambling going on here is you trying to save your yourself. The scripture books that comprise the current cannon list are as imperfect as we should expect them to be.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Well, most scholars think 2 Sam. 21:19 is just a scribal error. But I wonder. Could it be that David had the scribes do some spin-doctoring? Maybe 2 Sam. 21:19 is the true version of events that some lucky scribe managed to smuggle in.

Cross referenced elsewhere it states differently again so I guess all must be taken into consideration
1 Chronicles 20:5
In another battle with the Philistines, Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.

 

[Hoghead1]

Cross referenced elsewhere it states differently again so I guess all must be taken into consideration
1 Chronicles 20:5
In another battle with the Philistines, Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.

Yes, very true. Divinely inspires as it may be, the Bible was written by human beings, who can be fallible.

 

[Hoghead1]

You are down the confused text rabbit hole again ignoring the real issue, which I explained...and I am not going to follow you down the hole again. So...if you don't want to discuss the spiritual truth behind the riddle - go ask Alice.

Yu have yet explained how your superior spiritual discernment supplied you with a way of overcoming this or any other major contradiction in Scripture. I don't need to go as Alice. I know the answer is that fallible humans wrote Scripture.

 

[Hoghead1]

I did explain (and now I am again):

All language has been [intentionally] confused by God - including the scriptures. And the reason, is to put off those who do not hear what the Spirit says.

Oh, I see. God is the author of confusion, deliberately puts errors and contradictions in Scripture to create confusion. C'mon.

 

[Hoghead1]

I already given you my sources.

Anyway, with your view of God, I can understand why you wouldn't like that definition.


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No, and many others don't use that kind of phony distinction either.

 

[Erose]

No, and many others don't use that kind of phony distinction either.

What your process theologians?

The traditional/orthodox definition for eternity is timelessness in theology. Only God is eternal for He is the only being who exists outside of time.


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[ScottA]

There is no deep hidden message in the factual errors left behind after the Hebrews vast restatement of their secular history in Babylon. Hoghead is right, and the only scrambling going on here is you trying to save your yourself. The scripture books that comprise the current cannon list are as imperfect as we should expect them to be.

But YOUR choice of books is perfect - yeah right.

 

[ScottA]

Oh, I see. God is the author of confusion, deliberately puts errors and contradictions in Scripture to create confusion. C'mon.

This is not that difficult. It's right there in the scriptures...and proven in the spirit (and in you):

Genesis 11:7
Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”

Isaiah 42:20
Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

Isaiah 44:18
They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither dothey understand.