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Here is some history about Allah: http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=5780957
 
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Just a reminder - still waiting for you to address the evidence I cited.

Hadith that shows here age. Hadith cited from a site that's not anti-Islamic.

Islamic opinion site that talks about the meaning of the words of said Hadith.

You spent a large amount of time simply claiming that I'd cited only anti-Islamic sites.

Is this part of the Baha'i faith?
 
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Ah! It's so good of you to inform me that.
But I'm not buying it. It's cheap and I'm not buying it.

You quote some hadiths and give 'good' explanation to that.
But it's cheap. Trust me.
 
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So is it 'relative'?

How about this:

It was acceptable behavior then, in that time, but is not something
I'm morally comfortable with, and is illegal in several nations around the world. So, yeah, it's relative.

Are you speaking in a general "you," or to anyone in particular? Because if you're speaking in a general "you," NCR might be a bit rocky for your sowing.
 
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If it feels like the you means you.. it meant you.. if it doesnt.. it didnt

Be Blessed.. God Blessed.


With Love,
- Jefell
 
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I can't quite understand here.

That's not true either. You're allowed to disobey 'evil' leaders
This is also debatable. But it's not for this topic.
The thing is, we're obliged to folllow constitutional law.

Yes, your god allows you to be convenient. So, if pressed you could lie about your faith.
Hmm...this is not on topic.

[quotea) it's irrelevant to a debate on Islam what my Bible says
b) it's doubly irrelevant because it assumes that my faith is to be based solely what the Bible says, anyway.[/quote]Ok. My fault.

*sigh* why even use that term? I made no claim Muhammed is one.
Again. My fault. I'm so sorry.

Anyway, you've not addressed the issue that Moslem nations see fit to surpass your gods laws and institute more rational laws regarding marriage.
Because there's no law of marrital age, I don't know how to address it.
 
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You are not an intellectualy honest person, I must say. You don't like directly responding to other's questions do you? I'm curious what your motive for this behavior is.

I wonder. Is it because you feel these tactics are extremely convincing for others to see? Or do you shout so loud because in reality you are insecure, and need to "prove" it to yourself?

Oh that bit you quoted from the Bible is a great piece to show a disconnect from reality.

Emphisis mine.

"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

Come upon THEIR generation indeed. Thanks for sharing that. Good stuff.
 
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I directly respond.. it is not my fault you can not comprehend the answer.. Go back and read again.. all of the answers are in my texts..

Also, you should study the roots of the false prophet Mohamaad.. decide if he is a man you could look up to today. Shouldnt a prophet be divine right down to his roots? Shouldnt he be a role model for the youth of all time? Atheists are closer to knowing GOD than Islamic Muslims.. because you have chosen the devil as your father.

Mt 13:14-15 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: " ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

Jesus prepared me for your hateful resentment:
Mt 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved

So I forgive you for any offenses because I know it is not you but the sin living in you that toils after me. But most importantly is not my forgiveness.. but GOD's.. you should seek Jesus Christ so you can repent your sins, be forgiven and have eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven.

GOD is going to ask you why you followed a preverted, pedophile, murdering, rapist liar.. when you knew the islamic garbage you spewed could not possibly come from Him.. a loving, good, truthful, holy, just GOD. You will spend eternity in Hell for your answer.



Mohamaad rapes, molests, murders and lies to benefit himself.

JESUS SAVES.

With Love,
- Jefell

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If so then why you didn't ask your self why Muslims numbers are increasing everyday


Islam increases by birth rate. There are reports of a lot of Muslims who have left Islam -- millions, in fact.

I'm not sure who keeps count. In other words, are the ones who have left still on the "books" so to speak?

 
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I directly respond

You didn't actually.

it is not my fault you can not comprehend the answer

It's your fault for not responding.

Go back and read again

I did.

all of the answers are in my texts

They are not actually. Though you could simply bump the responces you had to my question in post 168.

Also, you should study the roots of the false prophet Mohamaad

I have. I've also studied the roots of the false prophet Jesus.

decide if he is a man you could look up to today.

Yeah, I don't.

Shouldnt a prophet be divine right down to his roots?

You mean like Moses?

Shouldnt he be a role model for the youth of all time?

Moses was not. Nor were his children. They were just as petty and cruel.

Atheists are closer to knowing GOD than Islamic Muslims.. because you have chosen the devil as your father.

Awww, really? Is that what I have chosen? Here comes that cognotive disonence again . . . . . . Nice display though. Keep up the good work.

Jesus prepared me for your hateful resentment:
Mt 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved

I don't hate you because of Jesus. I dislike you because of you. I've met many Christians who are wonderful people. I got nothin against the J-man. Why would I? It is disturbing to see people misinterpret their own subconcious as the "will of god".

So I forgive you for any offenses because I know it is not you but the sin living in you that toils after me.

How gracious of you. That is so considerate.

But most importantly is not my forgiveness.. but GOD's.. you should seek Jesus Christ so you can repent your sins, be forgiven and have eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Like I said before. I don't believe thoes myths. I have standards of honesty for myself. You should look into that.

GOD is going to ask you why you followed a preverted, pedophile, murdering, rapist liar

Then I'll ask god why he is confusing me for a Muslim. So either god doesn't know what he's talking about, or you don't.

when you knew the islamic garbage you spewed could not possibly come from Him.. a loving, good, truthful, holy, just GOD.

You don't know what "know" means do you?

You will spend eternity in Hell for your answer.

You worship a monster. He doesn't deserve my worship any more than the mob deserves my respect. You describe an insecure bully. Maybe you are projecting a little here.

Mohamaad rapes, molests, murders and lies to benefit himself.

Do you trust the Quran as a reliable source for truth?
 
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I don't understand the question say it in a diffrent way

I was inquiring about the Koran, I understand about the length and was referring to the contents wondering if the form of the text contains much biography about the prophet and a percentage (like 25%, 50% or 75% for example) if it does?
 
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I was inquiring about the Koran, I understand about the length and was referring to the contents wondering if the form of the text contains much biography about the prophet and a percentage (like 25%, 50% or 75% for example) if it does?

In my view the Qur'an is revealed scripture.. Some of it contains revelations about events about the time they were revealed. Other parts refer to events mentioned in the Bible and some of it again relate to extra Biblical topics. When Prophet Muhammad experienced revelation it was not like normal consciousness or say poetic or literary production.

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GOD is going to ask you why you followed a preverted, pedophile, murdering, rapist liar.. when you knew the islamic garbage you spewed could not possibly come from Him.. a loving, good, truthful, holy, just GOD.

I really wish CF would reinstate the "Faith" icons, as I'm proceeding from the assumption that Rasta's an atheist.

That being said, Rasta, as an (assumed) atheist, is following "a...liar" about as much as I am. You'll probably retort that I've been duped by Satan, and am wallowing in my own filthy sin, and so forth. Fine. You've got your perspective on things. Just remember that while everyone who's not of your faith is guilty of the same sin (from your perspective) of non-belief, the details are a little different, and you should address your audience accordingly. After all, this is the "Outreach" section, not the "Monologue" section.

Do you need a hug, Jefell?


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I was inquiring about the Koran...wondering if the form of the text contains much biography about the prophet and a percentage (like 25%, 50% or 75% for example) if it does?


I think Zstar asks a good question. How much of the Koran is a historical chronicle (like a secular history book, or as some parts of the Bible are claimed to be), versus purely philosphical passages?

To wit:
(Insert Name Here) rode into Rome five days after the ships left - History

(Insert Name Here) tells parables to get a lesson across - Spiritual/Philosophical
 
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How about this:

It was acceptable behavior then, in that time, but is not something
I'm morally comfortable with, and is illegal in several nations around the world. So, yeah, it's relative.
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Why is it good then but bad now?
 
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I can't quite understand here.
I was responding to a person demanding I show a 'law' from the Koran when I don't argue that the Koran is like a law book, and I gave an example of a 'teaching' that has been expanded to include a ruling on tobacco
This is also debatable. But it's not for this topic.
The thing is, we're obliged to folllow constitutional law.
Then it is about the topic. You make an allegation "we're obliged to folllow constitutional law" I refuted it. If you make a statement, it's not off-topic to refute it.
Hmm...this is not on topic.
Again I was addressing something raised
Because there's no law of marrital age, I don't know how to address it.
*sigh* In Islam all of Muhammed's wives are seen as archetypes. There's no law saying "You can marry an older woman" in the Koran, but in Muhammed's life, given he's considered the ultimate example of behaviour, that he married an older woman menas that it is 'allowed'.

He married a nine year old. It is 'allowed' based on the fact Muhammed did it. Unless there's a specific ruling against it, such as the fact Muhammed had nine wives, but you're allowed only four - if you can maintain them.

And of course in his time it was allowed to have a temporary marriage. Shi'a believe that this is still allowed.

I NEVER made the claim that
a) Moslems must marry children
or
b) All Moslems will
 
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If so then why you didn't ask your self why Muslims numbers are increasing everyday

So when Catholicism was bigger, it was 'from' God?

That's dubious Islamic logic for you.

You argue that Islam is bigger than Catholicism therefore it's from God. But it wasn't always bigger than Catholicism, so what did it mean when Catholicism was bigger than Islam? Was that a sign it was from God?
 
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Which parts of the Koran were wrongly interpreted?
 
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I was responding to a person demanding I show a 'law' from the Koran when I don't argue that the Koran is like a law book, and I gave an example of a 'teaching' that has been expanded to include a ruling on tobacco
So you agree that the Quran does not state that it is a 'law' to marry young women. The Quran and hadith do not also provide any 'teaching' of a minimum age of marriage.

Since there is no 'law' or 'teaching' on the age where a woman can get married, it is left to the discretion of the scholars and jurists and the two families to decide if the marriage can be consummate without jeopardising the happines and pose a danger to the spouses.

For example, in Saudi Arabia, there is no minimum age of marriage and the 'law' states that


He married a nine year old. It is 'allowed' based on the fact Muhammed did it. Unless there's a specific ruling against it, such as the fact Muhammed had nine wives, but you're allowed only four - if you can maintain them.

The social and economic structure in this modern world is different from that of the 7th century. Muhammad (pbuh) did marry a younger woman (though some scholars disagree on the actual age of Aisha) and at that time it was not a taboo, neither was it a crime. The expectations of Muslim women today are different. The greater opportunities for education and work and the hope for a happy marriage for the couples would make marrying at 9 years old to be unworkable. In fact, if Muslim scholars and jurists decide that marrying at 9 may pose a risk to any of the couples, the marriage may never take place.

Having said that, I have not heard of any Muslim women at our time that are legally married at 9 years old.
 
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