what do you know about Islam?

[GuardianShua]

What do you know about islam?
It’s a question I always wanted to ask to non- Muslim
Does Islam mean terrorism??
Does Islam mean violence???
Does Islam mean women depression???
Is Islam a barbaric religion only for Arabs?​

If so then why you didn't ask your self why Muslims numbers are increasing everyday

Gurdian,Monday March 31 2008

The number of Muslims has overtaken that of Roman Catholics for the first time, the Vatican said yesterday.


Muslims account for 19.2% of the world's population, while Catholics make up 17.4%, according to the Vatican's new statistics yearbook, which is based on figures for 2006.

"For the first time in history we are no longer at the top: the Muslims have overtaken us," said Monsignor Vittorio Formenti, who edited the yearbook.
"While it is known that Muslim families continue to have many children, Christian families are having fewer," he said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano.
The article said that Muslims have many children sothat they are many. It didn't mentioned that many people have entered Islam
Muslims in Europe are about 12,5 million , in America about 8 million and so on statics are a lot you can find more by searching in google
Think for a minute why islam spreading in the world ? although it is attacked by many ways
Think and tell me
Pardon my English ​

Here is some history about Allah: http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=5780957

 

[Montalban]

Yes, I've gone out and looked at sites where the misinformation comes from, and it's interesting to watch how that age changes. Of course they completely omit the practice of betrothal and assume that Arabic terms for "marriage" completely equate with the modern English meaning, which is just...silly.

Just a reminder - still waiting for you to address the evidence I cited.

Hadith that shows here age. Hadith cited from a site that's not anti-Islamic.

Islamic opinion site that talks about the meaning of the words of said Hadith.

You spent a large amount of time simply claiming that I'd cited only anti-Islamic sites.

Is this part of the Baha'i faith?

 

[warghaha]

Mohamaad is the great deceiver... some how this child molester, rapist, murderer & liar has you convinced he is a good guy. Your just as guilty as Mohamaad.. you say its ok to be 52 years old and rape a 9year old child. You say its ok to fondle a child while you soak in a tub of her menstrual blood. You say its ok to murder the innocent because they dont share your beliefs. You say its ok to be a liar. You say its ok to be a rapist. You do not believe in GOD's only Son. YOU ARE GUILTY and WILL BE JUDGED.

Ah! It's so good of you to inform me that.
But I'm not buying it. It's cheap and I'm not buying it.

You quote some hadiths and give 'good' explanation to that.
But it's cheap. Trust me.

 

[Fuzzy]

So is it 'relative'?

How about this:

It was acceptable behavior then, in that time, but is not something
I'm morally comfortable with, and is illegal in several nations around the world. So, yeah, it's relative.

you say its ok to be 52 years old and rape a 9year old child. You say its ok to fondle a child while you soak in a tub of her menstrual blood. You say its ok to murder the innocent because they dont share your beliefs. You say its ok to be a liar. You say its ok to be a rapist.

Are you speaking in a general "you," or to anyone in particular? Because if you're speaking in a general "you," NCR might be a bit rocky for your sowing.

 

[Jefell]

How about this:

It was acceptable behavior then, in that time, but is not something
I'm morally comfortable with, and is illegal in several nations around the world. So, yeah, it's relative.


Are you speaking in a general "you," or to anyone in particular? Because if you're speaking in a general "you," NCR might be a bit rocky for your sowing.

If it feels like the you means you.. it meant you.. if it doesnt.. it didnt

Be Blessed.. God Blessed.


With Love,
- Jefell

 

[warghaha]

Firstly, not all your laws are based on the Koran. There's nothing directly about smoking, but there is, indirectly, such as keeping your breathe from being foul. However, you've a non-point here because as you note there's no Koranic verse saying "Don't marry a nine year old", so if it were legal - in a secular sense, it would be legal, religiously.

I can't quite understand here.

That's not true either. You're allowed to disobey 'evil' leaders

This is also debatable. But it's not for this topic.
The thing is, we're obliged to folllow constitutional law.

Yes, your god allows you to be convenient. So, if pressed you could lie about your faith.

Hmm...this is not on topic.

[quotea) it's irrelevant to a debate on Islam what my Bible says
b) it's doubly irrelevant because it assumes that my faith is to be based solely what the Bible says, anyway.[/quote]Ok. My fault.

*sigh* why even use that term? I made no claim Muhammed is one.

Again. My fault. I'm so sorry.

Anyway, you've not addressed the issue that Moslem nations see fit to surpass your gods laws and institute more rational laws regarding marriage.

Because there's no law of marrital age, I don't know how to address it.

 

[Rasta]

Mohamaad is the great deceiver... some how this child molester, rapist, murderer & liar has you convinced he is a good guy. Your just as guilty as Mohamaad.. you say its ok to be 52 years old and rape a 9year old child. You say its ok to fondle a child while you soak in a tub of her menstrual blood. You say its ok to murder the innocent because they dont share your beliefs. You say its ok to be a liar. You say its ok to be a rapist. You do not believe in GOD's only Son. YOU ARE GUILTY and WILL BE JUDGED.

Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

You will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You have been warned.. you have been shown the truth.. You have been shown the way to Salvation through Jesus Christ. You shun them all. So YOU are guilty and are self condemned. YOU are an enemy of GOD.

In spite of all this, you keep on sinning; in spite of the wonders of Jesus Christ, you do not believe.

Surely God will crush the heads of his enemies, the hairy crowns of those who go on in their sins.

I tell you that you will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word you have spoken."You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but you love darkness instead of light because your deeds are evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. JESUS is the LIGHT. Whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God. Whoever hears His word and believes GOD who sent Him has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing; Jesus judges and His judgment is just, for He seeks not to please himself but Him who sent Him.


Time is short.. Some will be Saved.

With Love,
- Jefell

getshook .com

You are not an intellectualy honest person, I must say. You don't like directly responding to other's questions do you? I'm curious what your motive for this behavior is.

I wonder. Is it because you feel these tactics are extremely convincing for others to see? Or do you shout so loud because in reality you are insecure, and need to "prove" it to yourself?

Oh that bit you quoted from the Bible is a great piece to show a disconnect from reality.

Emphisis mine.

"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

Come upon THEIR generation indeed. Thanks for sharing that. Good stuff.

 

[Jefell]

You are not an intellectualy honest person, I must say. You don't like directly responding to other's questions do you? I'm curious what your motive for this behavior is.

I wonder. Is it because you feel these tactics are extremely convincing for others to see? Or do you shout so loud because in reality you are insecure, and need to "prove" it to yourself?

Oh that bit you quoted from the Bible is a great piece to show a disconnect from reality.

Emphisis mine.



Come upon THEIR generation indeed. Thanks for sharing that. Good stuff.

I directly respond.. it is not my fault you can not comprehend the answer.. Go back and read again.. all of the answers are in my texts..

Also, you should study the roots of the false prophet Mohamaad.. decide if he is a man you could look up to today. Shouldnt a prophet be divine right down to his roots? Shouldnt he be a role model for the youth of all time? Atheists are closer to knowing GOD than Islamic Muslims.. because you have chosen the devil as your father.

Mt 13:14-15 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: " ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

Jesus prepared me for your hateful resentment:
Mt 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved

So I forgive you for any offenses because I know it is not you but the sin living in you that toils after me. But most importantly is not my forgiveness.. but GOD's.. you should seek Jesus Christ so you can repent your sins, be forgiven and have eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven.

GOD is going to ask you why you followed a preverted, pedophile, murdering, rapist liar.. when you knew the islamic garbage you spewed could not possibly come from Him.. a loving, good, truthful, holy, just GOD. You will spend eternity in Hell for your answer.



Mohamaad rapes, molests, murders and lies to benefit himself.

JESUS SAVES.

With Love,
- Jefell

getshook.com

 

[GeorgeTwo]

If so then why you didn't ask your self why Muslims numbers are increasing everyday

Islam increases by birth rate. There are reports of a lot of Muslims who have left Islam -- millions, in fact.

I'm not sure who keeps count. In other words, are the ones who have left still on the "books" so to speak?

 

[Rasta]

I directly respond

You didn't actually.

it is not my fault you can not comprehend the answer

It's your fault for not responding.

Go back and read again

I did.

all of the answers are in my texts

They are not actually. Though you could simply bump the responces you had to my question in post 168.

Also, you should study the roots of the false prophet Mohamaad

I have. I've also studied the roots of the false prophet Jesus.

decide if he is a man you could look up to today.

Yeah, I don't.

Shouldnt a prophet be divine right down to his roots?

You mean like Moses?

Shouldnt he be a role model for the youth of all time?

Moses was not. Nor were his children. They were just as petty and cruel.

Atheists are closer to knowing GOD than Islamic Muslims.. because you have chosen the devil as your father.

Awww, really? Is that what I have chosen? Here comes that cognotive disonence again . . . . . . Nice display though. Keep up the good work.

Jesus prepared me for your hateful resentment:
Mt 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved

I don't hate you because of Jesus. I dislike you because of you. I've met many Christians who are wonderful people. I got nothin against the J-man. Why would I? It is disturbing to see people misinterpret their own subconcious as the "will of god".

So I forgive you for any offenses because I know it is not you but the sin living in you that toils after me.

How gracious of you. That is so considerate.

But most importantly is not my forgiveness.. but GOD's.. you should seek Jesus Christ so you can repent your sins, be forgiven and have eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Like I said before. I don't believe thoes myths. I have standards of honesty for myself. You should look into that.

GOD is going to ask you why you followed a preverted, pedophile, murdering, rapist liar

Then I'll ask god why he is confusing me for a Muslim. So either god doesn't know what he's talking about, or you don't.

when you knew the islamic garbage you spewed could not possibly come from Him.. a loving, good, truthful, holy, just GOD.

You don't know what "know" means do you?

You will spend eternity in Hell for your answer.

You worship a monster. He doesn't deserve my worship any more than the mob deserves my respect. You describe an insecure bully. Maybe you are projecting a little here.

Mohamaad rapes, molests, murders and lies to benefit himself.

Do you trust the Quran as a reliable source for truth?

 

[Zstar]

I don't understand the question say it in a diffrent way

I was inquiring about the Koran, I understand about the length and was referring to the contents wondering if the form of the text contains much biography about the prophet and a percentage (like 25%, 50% or 75% for example) if it does?

 

[Arthra]

I was inquiring about the Koran, I understand about the length and was referring to the contents wondering if the form of the text contains much biography about the prophet and a percentage (like 25%, 50% or 75% for example) if it does?

In my view the Qur'an is revealed scripture.. Some of it contains revelations about events about the time they were revealed. Other parts refer to events mentioned in the Bible and some of it again relate to extra Biblical topics. When Prophet Muhammad experienced revelation it was not like normal consciousness or say poetic or literary production.

- Art

 

[Fuzzy]

GOD is going to ask you why you followed a preverted, pedophile, murdering, rapist liar.. when you knew the islamic garbage you spewed could not possibly come from Him.. a loving, good, truthful, holy, just GOD.

I really wish CF would reinstate the "Faith" icons, as I'm proceeding from the assumption that Rasta's an atheist.

That being said, Rasta, as an (assumed) atheist, is following "a...liar" about as much as I am. You'll probably retort that I've been duped by Satan, and am wallowing in my own filthy sin, and so forth. Fine. You've got your perspective on things. Just remember that while everyone who's not of your faith is guilty of the same sin (from your perspective) of non-belief, the details are a little different, and you should address your audience accordingly. After all, this is the "Outreach" section, not the "Monologue" section.

Do you need a hug, Jefell?


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I was inquiring about the Koran...wondering if the form of the text contains much biography about the prophet and a percentage (like 25%, 50% or 75% for example) if it does?

In my view the Qur'an is revealed scripture.. Some of it contains revelations about events about the time they were revealed. Other parts refer to events mentioned in the Bible and some of it again relate to extra Biblical topics. When Prophet Muhammad experienced revelation it was not like normal consciousness or say poetic or literary production.

I think Zstar asks a good question. How much of the Koran is a historical chronicle (like a secular history book, or as some parts of the Bible are claimed to be), versus purely philosphical passages?

To wit:
(Insert Name Here) rode into Rome five days after the ships left - History

(Insert Name Here) tells parables to get a lesson across - Spiritual/Philosophical

 

[Montalban]

How about this:

It was acceptable behavior then, in that time, but is not something
I'm morally comfortable with, and is illegal in several nations around the world. So, yeah, it's relative.
.

Why is it good then but bad now?

 

[Montalban]

I can't quite understand here.

I was responding to a person demanding I show a 'law' from the Koran when I don't argue that the Koran is like a law book, and I gave an example of a 'teaching' that has been expanded to include a ruling on tobacco

This is also debatable. But it's not for this topic.
The thing is, we're obliged to folllow constitutional law.

Then it is about the topic. You make an allegation "we're obliged to folllow constitutional law" I refuted it. If you make a statement, it's not off-topic to refute it.

Hmm...this is not on topic.

Again I was addressing something raised

Because there's no law of marrital age, I don't know how to address it.

*sigh* In Islam all of Muhammed's wives are seen as archetypes. There's no law saying "You can marry an older woman" in the Koran, but in Muhammed's life, given he's considered the ultimate example of behaviour, that he married an older woman menas that it is 'allowed'.

He married a nine year old. It is 'allowed' based on the fact Muhammed did it. Unless there's a specific ruling against it, such as the fact Muhammed had nine wives, but you're allowed only four - if you can maintain them.

And of course in his time it was allowed to have a temporary marriage. Shi'a believe that this is still allowed.

I NEVER made the claim that
a) Moslems must marry children
or
b) All Moslems will

 

[Montalban]

If so then why you didn't ask your self why Muslims numbers are increasing everyday

So when Catholicism was bigger, it was 'from' God?

That's dubious Islamic logic for you.

You argue that Islam is bigger than Catholicism therefore it's from God. But it wasn't always bigger than Catholicism, so what did it mean when Catholicism was bigger than Islam? Was that a sign it was from God?

 

[Montalban]

Do you trust the Quran as a reliable source for truth?

What matters is Moslems believe it. And, based on their belief they're permitted to continue to molest young girls today, only declaring them 'women'.

 

[Montalban]

In my view the Qur'an is revealed scripture.. Some of it contains revelations about events about the time they were revealed. Other parts refer to events mentioned in the Bible and some of it again relate to extra Biblical topics. When .... Muhammad experienced revelation it was not like normal consciousness or say poetic or literary production.

Which parts of the Koran were wrongly interpreted?

 

[Fuzzy]

Why is it good then but bad now?

"Societal and global values changing (or hiding) with the passage of time" is the best answer I can provide you.

 

[Islam_mulia]

I was responding to a person demanding I show a 'law' from the Koran when I don't argue that the Koran is like a law book, and I gave an example of a 'teaching' that has been expanded to include a ruling on tobacco

So you agree that the Quran does not state that it is a 'law' to marry young women. The Quran and hadith do not also provide any 'teaching' of a minimum age of marriage.

Since there is no 'law' or 'teaching' on the age where a woman can get married, it is left to the discretion of the scholars and jurists and the two families to decide if the marriage can be consummate without jeopardising the happines and pose a danger to the spouses.

For example, in Saudi Arabia, there is no minimum age of marriage and the 'law' states that

33. In the social sphere, the regulations do not define a specific age for marriage, as Islamic law regulates this matter in a manner that ensures happiness for both spouses and prevents the countless social dangers inherent in delaying the age of marriage. In this context, it stipulates that a person wishing to marry must have the capacity therefor. This flexibility in Islamic law helps to close loopholes and safeguard the interests of both parties.

http://www.right-to-education.org/content/age/saudi_arabia.html

He married a nine year old. It is 'allowed' based on the fact Muhammed did it. Unless there's a specific ruling against it, such as the fact Muhammed had nine wives, but you're allowed only four - if you can maintain them.

The social and economic structure in this modern world is different from that of the 7th century. Muhammad (pbuh) did marry a younger woman (though some scholars disagree on the actual age of Aisha) and at that time it was not a taboo, neither was it a crime. The expectations of Muslim women today are different. The greater opportunities for education and work and the hope for a happy marriage for the couples would make marrying at 9 years old to be unworkable. In fact, if Muslim scholars and jurists decide that marrying at 9 may pose a risk to any of the couples, the marriage may never take place.

Having said that, I have not heard of any Muslim women at our time that are legally married at 9 years old.