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[SavedByGrace3]

Hi I53,
I know, I used to see these verses as you do. But under closer scrutiny, they do not hold up:

What of this..After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this. (Rev 4:1)

Why is the Church not mentioned again after John is called into Heaven? I believe it is because the Church has been raptured.

Just a brief scan in Chapter 5 yielded this:

Rev 6
9 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held.
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Until when, Master, holy and true, do You not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given to each one of them. And it was said to them that they should rest yet for a little time, until both their fellow servants and their brothers (those about to be killed as they were ) should have their number made complete.

That looks like believers and therefore the church is still there.

And this...

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. (Matt 24:40-42)

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

I remember this one..
You quoted the Matthew version. Look at the Luke version, especially the question the apostles ask, and Jesus answer!

Luk 17:
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two shall be grinding together, one will be taken, and the other left.
36 Two shall be in the field, one will be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said to Him, Where, Lord? And He said to them, Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Weymouth renders 37 like this:
Luk 17:37 "Where, Master?" they inquired. "Where the dead body is," He replied, "there also will the vultures flock together."

They ask where the one who is taken will be taken to. His answer is nothing that would resemble the rapture. It resembles death... either by tribulation or by the battle Armageddon.

 

[Isaiah 53]

Hi I53,
I know, I used to see these verses as you do. But under closer scrutiny, they do not hold up:


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Just a brief scan in Chapter 5 yielded this:

Rev 6
9 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held.
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Until when, Master, holy and true, do You not judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given to each one of them. And it was said to them that they should rest yet for a little time, until both their fellow servants and their brothers (those about to be killed as they were ) should have their number made complete.

That looks like believers and therefore the church is still there. The church is there in the new believers. After the rapture, don't you think that their will be millions of 'border-line' believers; giving their lives wholly to Christ. And thus becoming our brothers and sisters in Christ.



I remember this one..
You quoted the Matthew version. Look at the Luke version, especially the question the apostles ask, and Jesus answer!

Luk 17:
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two shall be grinding together, one will be taken, and the other left.
36 Two shall be in the field, one will be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said to Him, Where, Lord? And He said to them, Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Weymouth renders 37 like this:
Luk 17:37 "Where, Master?" they inquired. "Where the dead body is," He replied, "there also will the vultures flock together."

They ask where the one who is taken will be taken to. His answer is nothing that would resemble the rapture. It resembles death... either by tribulation or by the battle Armageddon. Interesting, I have never heard it explained that way. I will look into this. Thank you for the knowledge today!!!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!