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[WayMan]

Call you no more assemblies before me or of he who comes after me. We want not your vanity at the coming of the new moons or Sabbaths. I want not your abominations or your iniquities, though your assemblies be solemn. My soul hateth your Sabbaths and your appointed feasts, even that which you shall rise to mark my birth. And why should you do this? You know that I be a Lamb. I am weary of them and of you for it is all a trouble unto me.

Your hands are full of blood, and none more than the hands of your masters that you bow before and giver honour to. Wash yourselves in the rivers if your rivers be clean, as you cannot be cleansed in foul water.

Though you make many prayers there is none to hear you.

Cease to do that which is evil, especially in my name or in the names of the Seven High Lords Of The Veil. Cease your evil doings before mine eyes. Turn your course and seek to do instead good things for the earth that supports you and for your brethren.

Assist you the fatherless and be you of assistance to the widow and bring her into your house. But lay not your hand upon her less you shall marry with her, and she and your wives be content with it.

Listen to him who cometh after me, and gain reason from him. He shall show you the way. If you obey he who comes after me you shall eat good of the land that is beneath your feet. But though it is, consider it far above your head and honour it to the last speck of dust. Show to him your obedience, and if you rebel, he shall slay you in my name and with my blessings to him, and my curse shall be laid upon your blood forever.

How have you become perverts and your wives and daughters as harlots, and your sons murderers, and make companions of thieves? And it shall be so.

I know you and I know your minds, you takers of gifts and givers of nothing. I say unto you, though it be two thousand years and two thousand more I will avenge he who comes after me of his enemies. This is my word. I will lay my anger upon thee, and my hand shall be against thee.

You shall follow him in good faith though he shall believe it not as he will be much distressed in you and trust you not. And I shall bid him to set up councillors as I have instructed and you will obey. And then shall the seven churches be called righteous.

And he and his appointed shall convert you, and shall bring about the destruction of wrongdoers and of fornicators. And those who forsake him and his, shall be consumed and their blood shall be consumed for ever and for ever upon the face of the earth.

Shame shall you bring upon those who lie man with man, and you shall make of them eunuchs, and bind them in slavery for their lives. For they shall be less than any beast of burden in the fields, and thus shall they toil and earn their bread. And I shall curse all who aid them in their ways. So shall you treat all who would sodomise little children, for they are less still in my eyes, and should they ever harm any child after this then put them to death.

And it shall come to pass that the house of the High Lord Of The Veil shall be built upon a hill beside a clean river in a land that I shall show unto him. And all the seven nations will pay homage to him in this place, and look unto him and to his blood who shall rule over them for ever and forever, for guidance in all matters.

And many of you will say to your families, and to your fellows, "Come with me to the house of the High Lord, that we may learn from his wisdom so that we might walk in his ways, and know the laws of the righteous way so that we might be exalted in that path".

And many will come unto him at the ending of days, and unto his blood after him, and he and they will judge and many will be turned away. And some will come to kill him and his, and his people and theirs. And after some time they will all die and be no more.

And his people will do no more battle, as they will be as one with the land that he shall show you, and multiply as he instructs in goodness and in reason.

You shall all become husbandsmen of the earth, and all that is upon the earth and below the earth, and beyond the earth.

And some will gain no reason, and they will forsake him and you, so that they may rule in abomination. Let them go. But if they should return for any purpose, kill them and have none of them.

And they will raise horses and chariots against you, but they will fail. They will try to give you false reason so that they might rule your minds, and show you gold and silver, and harlots. And their harlots will bring unto you disease to kill you. And their gold and silver will not sustain you as they are only for ornament, and shall serve no better purpose than iron.

Heed them not as they and you will bring about another ending of days. Worship not especially that which you have made with your own hands, and trust you not in the birthing of virgins, as it is trickery.

Be you not haughty as you shall be bowed beneath the weight of it at the ending of days. In the time of he who will come after me all men shall be brought low, and shall be so until they gain reason and learn better from their lowliness. You shall toil and raise towers and fences against thine enemies lest they will rob you and kill you. And you shall set the dogs of war at your perimeters.

And build you ships that will be strong and steady in the high winds so they will not break. And go you to all the seven nations, and be brothers unto one another in good faith, and in your protection.

The day comes near unto you when the earth shall shake with the thunder of mighty weapons. Hide yourselves within ramparts so that rocks will not fall on you, neither will the dust touch you with its death. And close yourselves from men that are not of your way lest their breath shall kill you, and if they should come unto you turn them from you. And if they should come again kill them in mercy for their sake and for your sake lest you all die.

Store you bread and all manner of foods that you can store, for the time comes when there shall be little. But fear not, follow in the way of him who will come after me and know him, for his

 

[WayMan]

number shall be ten.

And hear not the words of those who will condemn him, as they either know too much or know of no thing. By both ways shall they seek to destroy you. Your time of testing will lay sore upon you, and those who be not worthy shall be better dead, and will be dead.

And he and you shall appoint captains to rule over each of your sections. And Councillors shall he appoint from among you, and "Caulbearers" shall he set over them, and Templers over them, who shall be honourable in their duty to you and to him and to the way that he shall show you.

And some will say that you be oppressed, and that those above you are not fair and are too proud. If you therefore know this to be true, then go to those above you and tell them of what you know, and it will be put right.
But be you aware that some of you will not be in good faith, and will make trouble among you, so that you might be put down and they, the trouble-makers, raised above you, Let this not be. As it also will destroy you and he that will come after me, in your purpose and in his purpose.

Those of you who have ears hear me, and those of you who have eyes see, and know the wisdom of my words.

Men who shall come not in good faith to the way of them and of you, shall say that he has fine clothes, or a sword, or a chariot and should therefor be set above you. And will act as if to make impression on you. He might say that he is a learned man, and seek to make impression on you.

But turn from him, and go to those who have been set over you in the way, and tell them of this so that they can deal with it in a just manner, for your own sake and for the sake of your brothers.

And when others shall be approached, they will say, "Make me not to be above my fellows, as I am an humble man and have not knowledge". And he that will follow me shall say unto him, "Go you forth and learn. For all men must take unto themselves responsibility in matters. As you shall be few, and therefore will only survive if you be humble, but willing to give of all that you are and all that you have in this purpose.

And men shall walk among you in these days that declare themselves as sodomites, and shall do so in false pride, for they are lower than the lowest beasts. Woe unto you should you accept them into your way, as they will bring diseases and evil, and shall destroy you unto death. And you and your blood shall be lost forever.

Make you eunuchs of them, and chain them as slaves for their lifetimes, for they be less than beasts. They reward only evil unto themselves. And should you weaken in this, they shall surely destroy you. And you will eat the fruit of your doings, and it shall be ill with you.

In the time of the ending of days, women shall rise up and declare themselves as great, and will try to rule over you. And they shall claim freedom from oppression and be as harlots. Oh foolish women, beware what you do. For better women know better of themselves, and are content in their place.

And men must beware of their households lest your children shall oppress you, and rule your house, with their mothers who fall into this way. Do you not know of the ills of women, for they are as quicksilver and are not to be noted in their actions or in their words at these times.

The wise among women know of this, and be well with it.

Men and women are made in this way with purpose. Each must know of his and her way and be glad of it, and do justice unto themselves and unto each other in their way.

Man can not be woman, and woman can not be man. It is not the way of things. They are as they are. And let it be so. Though you fear poverty, there is a different and far worse poverty that awaits the foolish in these matters.

Drink you not of strong wine and be drunkards, as you will be cast out in these times. As you will be a burden unto those who are sober and have great purpose.

And with these very words shall I make the way of he who comes after me harder. As many at the ending of days shall be drunkards, and will speak loudly of the wrongs of that which I say. But they lie, and they know of it.

And they know of the truth of my words. For they do not master themselves. Wine is their master in all things, though it bring them unto death and degradation. Such can not be taken into account in their thoughts or deeds. They are of no use or purpose to me, or to him, or to you.

Beware of all evil in that time for there shall be many. Your daughters shall walk the streets with wanton eyes, and their necks stretched forth. And they shall walk in a mincingly way, and make tinkling with their feet.

And they will be stricken with scabs in their private parts and in their blood. And they shall shame the "Caulbearer" who shall come after me.

And he shall turn away from them, and turn them from him and from you, so that you be safe from them. Even though they be wives and daughters of you. He shall cast them out with their nose jewels and rings of ornament that mean little, as they do before mine eyes. For they are foul before me.

And it shall come to pass of such women, that where they have scented shall there be a stench of them. And their hair shall fall from their heads, for in their evil shall they lie with the sodomite, and shall pass his vileness to others. Each to ten men, and the ten unto their goodly wives, And their evil wives in their turn shall they pass on such abomination to ten more men and so shall it be. And death shall profit from it.

And let all you women who are pure and content in your purpose gather you unto the "Caulbearer", for he shall have need of your kind, and shall add to your value. For your purity is beyond price. And your faithfulness to your husbands is beyond price. And you are beyond price in your goodness.

And in that time men shall do war for little reason, and politicians shall lie and connive and cause even more wars, for it shall be a profit to them.
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And as they do this evil, good men will die by the sword. Believing that they do good by it. And they shall know not reason. They shall believe much that is false in those times. And shame shall be the name of such men who do no thing to alter this evil.

And the widows shall sit desolate, and cry in bitter sorrow for them, and for their children, and for themselves. Take you care of such widows, and take them and treat kindly in honour of their dead husbands, though they die in vein purpose.

And the day will come when seven women who are pure, shall come unto he who shall come after me, and whose number shall be ten. And they shall say unto him, "Let us come unto you. We ask nothing of you except that we can abide in your name, and that you shall reproach us not." They shall bear him children.

And in that day shall his glory be complete, and they shall be content in his service. And each shall do his business in each of the seven nations, and it will bode good unto him and unto them, and their children shall rule in those places after him.

And he and they will wash away the vileness of women from them, and the blood of his people shall be purged in his wisdom.

And you shall abide in the places that he shall show you, in the manner that he shall show you, and be you content with your lot. As you will live, but many will die. And your salvation shall be great.

And you shall be fed and have good shelter, even from the sun that shall burn and kill so many in your time.

He shall take lands, and clear these lands with you. And they shall bear fruits in plenty for all that be with him. And the birds of the air shall prosper, and the fishes of the waters shall again multiply and be good. ,

But men will still judge between that which he hath, and that which he desires in his foolishness, and shall displease the "Caulbearer". Some will neglect the walls, and the hedges, and the fences, so that wild beasts will enter the gardens, and destroy.

And they will say unto the "Caulbearer", " Why hast thou let this happen in thy power?" And he shall put you from him even to the last man, for you be of no use to him or to me in thy stupidity.

And those who have ears, and those who have minds to reason, will be with him. And their gardens shall be bounteous, and they shall inherit the earth.

 

[WayMan]

And as the earth is cleansed, in one thousand years his people will remember him, though he be dead. And they shall glory in his blood and in the leadership of his blood. And they shall spread throughout the earth and make it good.

And there will again be great forests and clean waters. And man shall remember. And because he shall remember, and be of good faith to him and to me, he shall prosper and do no harm in the doing of it.

And at the time of the ending of days, many houses shall be left in desolation, as their owners shall be dead. And their bodies shall rot within, as there shall be none left to bury them.

The Sun shall burn you to death. And disease of fornication shall be rampant, and will kill you.

You will fight one with another, man upon man, and nation upon nation, even brothers will attack one another. For in these times men will know no reason, and shall not put in effort until it is too late for them.

And they shall come and cry unto you to feed them, and you shall hear them not.

Offer to men, that they come unto him that comes after me, three times in three months, and if they should answer "No", three times, then shall you write their names in the Book Of The ******. For they will know no salvation, for they are not worthy.

And their carcasses shall strew the streets within twenty years of the opening of my Seal and his Seal.

And men will eat of the flesh from the bodies of their brothers. Such will be their desire to live. Yet they will follow false gods, and not he who will come after me. For it will be hard for those who follow him, as it was for those who followed me.

And those who will follow him not, will eat the flesh of their dead, and shall have not the strength to bury them.

And in this time many ensigns will be raised, and men will be as beasts in their purpose, and they shall war one upon another, each in his design.

And some will follow him to a far land to the north that is desolate and make it fruitful. For all the earth shall be hot, and you shall abide well in the coolness of that place where the sun shall not burn thee.

And there shall be whirlwinds and great storms upon the earth, such as men have not seen before. And the summers will be without rain, or there shall be times of great floods.

The seasons shall be as quicksilver, and they shall be so that they can no longer be predicted.

Your crops shall fail and your beasts die. Even the frogs shall not be able to live in the waters, as they will be poisoned with the folly and the filth of men. And man shall show no reason.

Beware of such men at this time, for you may not recognise them for what they are. And they will try to kill you, so that they can eat that which you have, and lay your labours to waste.

The mighty will be levelled by hunger and shall grow more cunning. And you who will follow him will have need to fight for life, against both the beast that is man, and the elements that he has caused.

And you cleave only to the seven nations that follow him, and cast out all others from you. And you shall not sleep, nor remove your shoes for many days, for fear that you will be attacked by your enemies. But it shall pass.

You shall know times of hunger. But it shall pass. You shall labour with your backs bent and this shall not pass. But you will take pleasure and glory in the doing of it. You shall build paradise upon the face of the earth, and you shall prosper by toil, and by reason, and it shall be good.

You shall give honour to the earth, and to all living things, lest your honourable men despair of you, and you shall hunger and thirst and bring about another coming of the ending of days.

Men of goodly nature, rule yourselves with a rod of iron.

Hold you not your Sabbaths before mine eyes, for they offend me. And pray you not for assistance, for there shall be none. And pray you not in false gratitude, as it abominates me, for there is none left to hear you.

Men shall live for eternity upon the earth, and beyond the earth. But only those who follow the Seventh High Lord Of The Veil shall be suffered to live one hundred years after him.

Cursed be they who do not follow in the way of him, for the evil of their hearts and the stupidity of their minds. For they do much harm to no purpose except their own.
And cursed be he who squats among the seven hills, for he knows the evil that he is, and that he does in the use of my name.

He who comes after me is a branch of my tree, and from his roots will rise up more trees, and from his seed more trees, and I will be well pleased. Even if he shall despair, and turn from you in your wickedness.

Seven Churches shall he raise in seven nations, which I have set before him. But if he should find not ten thousand goodly men in each nation, then he shall be blessed by me in his failure. For I too have failed. And the Seven shall have failed in our purpose, because man has failed in himself, and in me, and in all that is good.

The foolish shall be cursed as the wicked, as the harm is the same. And he that comes after me whose number will be ten shall know of the odds against him, and they will be great.........

 

[Arikay]

I wouldn't call that light reading for a forum. A recomendation is that its best to keep things short, when making forum posts.

 

[WayMan]

"A recomendation is that its best to keep things short, when making forum posts."

Why ?

PS the "light" bit was just me being sarcastic.

 

[Arikay]

mainly because, the shorter or easier it is to read, the more likely more people will read it. Whenever I make a post that hits the character limit, I like to section it out, to make it easier to read.

 

[WayMan]

Maybe you are right. My reasoning was that people will read what they want, least this way they have the choice.

 

[Isaiah 53]

The rapture? If you are without Christ you should be concerned. My suggestion is; because we do not know when the Lord will return, put your faith in Him today.

If you are worried about your family and friends; talk to them about Christ. Even if the rapture does not happen in this lifetime; they need to hear and accept the good news of Jesus Christ.

Oh, and one more piece of advise: Do not listen to the false teachings of others posting PAGE AFTER PAGE of lies on this thread!!!. He not in possession of something profound; only a lie!!

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. (Rev 22:18)



PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

 

[BarbB]

The Rapture

I want to un-hijack this thread from Wayman and get back to your original question.

To me, the Rapture is a real gift. As Christians we will not have to experience physical death or the Tribulation (pre/post/whatever). As for our families and friends, my family is Christian so no worries there. But my friends are happy heathens, so I pray for them, answer questions from them and let them see the joy in my life.

Also, mighten the Tribulation be the most amazing second chance in the history of the world?

God bless you!

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I began my Christian life believing in the rapture... Mainly from:

• "The Late Great Planet Earth"
• Larry Norman - "I Wish We'd All Been Ready"
• Salem Kirban
• Clarence Larkin "Dispensational Truth"
• Dakes Annotated Bible
• Tons of other sources...

Then I began to read the Bible and found no real evidence for it.
Now I believe we will all be raised in the "first resurrection" at the "last trump" on the "last day" "after the tribulation of that day" which is the "great tribulation"

 

[Isaiah 53]

I began my Christian life believing in the rapture... Mainly from:

• "The Late Great Planet Earth"
• Larry Norman - "I Wish We'd All Been Ready"
• Salem Kirban
• Clarence Larkin "Dispensational Truth"
• Dakes Annotated Bible
• Tons of other sources...

Then I began to read the Bible and found no real evidence for it.
Now I believe we will all be raised in the "first resurrection" at the "last trump" on the "last day" "after the tribulation of that day" which is the "great tribulation"

What of this..After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this. (Rev 4:1)

Why is the Church not mentioned again after John is called into Heaven? I believe it is because the Church has been raptured.

And this...

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. (Matt 24:40-42)

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

 

[Annabel Lee]

Go see a shrink

She's twelve years old...give her a break!

BluLili....don't worry, be at peace and enjoy your life.

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

What of this..After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this. (Rev 4:1)

Why is the Church not mentioned again after John is called into Heaven? I believe it is because the Church has been raptured.

And this...

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. (Matt 24:40-42)

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

Like a previous poster, I see little evidence for the rapture as it is taught in many Evangelical churches. In fact, this teaching cannot be found in the writings of the Fathers of the Church. It does not occur in any format as we now know it until about the late 19th century. Case in point is the scripture quoted above. The context of that scripture indicates not that they are going to be taken up into heaven alive but that they are going to die like those who were taken away by the flood when Jesus comes. The context set up in the preceding passages is:

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

(Matthew 24:37-42, KJV)​

The succeeding context speaks of those not ready being cut asunder (or, cut in pieces) when he comes again. Thus, the full context, I feel, rather speaks of those not ready being taken in death or killed, rather than these passages speaking of a rapture. This interpretation is further solidified in Luke's accounting of Jesus' words found at Luke 17:26-36, where successive events leading to the deaths of many are stated with the closing statement that the same would occur at Jesus' coming. When the disciples ask him where these would be taken, Jesus replies, "Wheresoever the body [the Greek word is better translated as carcass here] is, thither will the eagles [the Greek word is better translated vultures] be gathered together." (Luke 17:37) In other words, these will be taken in death at the second coming of Jesus and their carcasses will be eaten by vultures, i.e., they are dead.

In my opinion, this episode refers to be taken in death rather than into heaven. I think Jesus would have been much clearer and direct if he had meant to say that they would be taken into heaven. At any rate, I do not feel that this passage supports the view of people being taken up into heaven while a bunch of people are 'left behind' like in some popular book series with a like name.

So far as the Book of Revelation reference is concerned, I understand there are a lot of people who think that lack of a word church after chapter 4 indicates the possibility that the church was raptured into heaven together. However, in light of the Matthean and Lukan passages I think this not very likely. I see the Revelation passage as merely a change in venue for the beginning of the visionary part of Revelation, the real Revelation, rather than chronologically in event sequence of chapters 1-3 ashistorical happenstances. If it could be proven that the references to churches were to types of churches or dispensations of churches rather than seven literal churches, this rapture interpretation might have had a shot. But, such evidence is not forthcoming in my opinion. You will note that only John is taken up into heaven, not an entire church. I think John would have mentioned that had he seen it as a future event. At any rate, these are a couple reasons why I reject the rapture teachings commonly spread about and popularized in the 'Left Behind' series as unbiblical.

 

[WayMan]

She's twelve years old...give her a break!

BluLili....don't worry, be at peace and enjoy your life.

How the F### was I supposed to know that ? Sorry Blu

 

[Annabel Lee]

How the F### was I supposed to know that ?

Sure! Now I have to figure out what F### means??

Never a break around this place.

 

[Arikay]

That number under her name, the 12, that would be her age.

How the F### was I supposed to know that ? Sorry Blu

 

[WayMan]

Sure! Now I have to figure out what F### means??

Never a break around this place.

I think it means Flip

 

[WayMan]

That number under her name, the 12, that would be her age.

Aha! I get it, that means that you are 20 and Annabel Lee is 94 right ?

 

[Annabel Lee]

Aha! I get it, that means that you are 20 and Annabel Lee is 94 right ?

Right.

 

[WayMan]

It seems like Vulcans age kinda slow these days.