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I agree the US is largely safe (certainly in all the areas I've lived in and I've lived in the Midwest, Northeast, Deep South, Southwest and now Pacific Northwest. Which confuses me why SO MANY Americans feel the need to have a gun.
Your logic is, don't control or prohibit guns, because people will just work around it. I guess your advocating that we should not have drug laws... Why have drug laws when people will do what they need to, to access drugs..... Why have child pornography laws when people just continue to find access to it.
Probably because there are SO MANY uses for them. Hunting is a large part of gun ownership, and there are different types of guns for different types of hunting. Small game, large game, and any kind of bird hunting necessitates 3 types of guns at minimum. When self defense comes into the picture, then so do handguns.
Well, of course people in general are afraid of those with firearms, and regardless of the #fakenews agenda to make all snowflakes
be afraid of good government, the truth is the truth. Where there are more firearms being carried by law abiding citizen patriots, there are fewer casualties. Not believing this doesn't make it untrue.
The REAL TRUTH IS the solution to mass murders is to help the mass murderers find Jesus first.
It's the self-defense rationale that I question. I grew up in a hunting family. Had a gun and a hunting license before I could drive. Of course I also grew up in a family that didn't obsess on guns as if they were some magical totem.
The whole rationale that we are sold on today that Americans NEEED guns to protect themselves sounds like a post-hoc excuse. How many Americans will actually "protect themselves"? The numbers show that guns in the home are positively correlated to higher rates of gun deaths (including suicides etc.) than they are in terms of self-protection.
I think Americans have an unhealthy relationship with guns and part of the problem is they are sold on this cowboy fantasy of somehow being John Wayne or the Man Who Shot Liberty Valence.
In the process we've loaded up our society with so many guns that it statistically leads to more guns available to do damage with. Either through theft of those guns, loss of the guns or the unfortunate accidents and suicides that happen when we have guns all around us.
Frankly I think Americans almost to a person lost their right to think they should own a gun. With dangerous materials comes severe limitations on how much "Freedom" one has to play with those materials. You can't own a critical mass of plutonium. Why should you be able to own guns without being a registry and having your actions tracked for the luxury of enjoying guns?
Yeah, yeah, that's gonna do it. You DO realize that America is one of the most religious societies in the developed world, right? Yet we have among the highest rates of gun violence. Certainly compared to far more secular governments here in the West.
"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
Maybe it's the Religious Right who needs to find Jesus. Because they seem to be missing him when it comes to GUNS and MONEY.
Finding Jesus and being "religious" are separate issues.
A smite on the cheek is not the same as rape, murder, home invasion, violent assault, etc.
That's why Jesus didn't say, "Whoever murders/rapes your wife, let him murder/rape your daughter also".
The point remains that more Jesus here clearly isn't going to help.
Ah -- the problem is that we're not taking Jesus literally enough! He was only referring to smiting on the cheek; there's absolutely nothing that can extrapolated from his words.
Similarly, when Jesus referred to the Pharisees as a "brood of vipers," (Matthew 12:34) they were, in fact, actual snakes. Don't read too much into it; you might get the wrong idea.
It's usually estimated that they're used in one way or another for protection about 1 million to as many as 2.5 million times each year.
Or simply as someone who doesn't want to be helpless when confronted by a violent criminal.
Not sure how to respond to the idea that we've lost our right to think anything. I'll simply say that I disagree with you, and that I'm in good company.
Finding Jesus and being "religious" are separate issues.
A smite on the cheek is not the same as rape, murder, home invasion, violent assault, etc.
That's why Jesus didn't say, "Whoever murders/rapes your wife, let him murder/rape your daughter also".
It's not clear if it hasn't happened.
If you don't believe what Jesus says, don't try to rewrite His words for those of us that do.
Do you believe that "smite on the cheek" is the same as rape and murder?
If you don't believe what Jesus says, don't try to rewrite His words for those of us that do.
Do you believe that "smite on the cheek" is the same as rape and murder?
What is your point? Convicting folks of manslaughter would be a major step forward.The trouble is that that is NOT murder under the law. Involuntary manslaughter is what it is NOT murder just because someone died at the hands of another does NOT make it murder under the law.
It would help if people would report their guns stolen like cars. Just because a gun I own was used in a particular crime that does not mean that I was the one behind the trigger. Just like just because my car was involved in a hit and run or was seen leaving the scene of a suspected crime does not mean that I was driving or even that I knew it happened.
Like to see that citation.
I asked another person on this forum if they actually thought they could kill another human being. To see their bullets blow up a human head right in front of them. The reason I ask is because I've seen plenty of interviews with people after war who, even when they were actively being shot at by enemy soldiers, seemed to be horrified when they finally killed an enemy soldier. It seems like something that is not very easy to do. And when you take someone who is just a regular Joe or Jane Sixpack, how likely is it that they will 1) be able to think quickly enough to eliminate the threat 2) accurately eliminate a real threat (and not accidentally shoot someone who isn't a threat) 3) be able to deal with the anguish of having done that.
That's why I think it's a fantasy for 99.9% of Americans who think they will be able to defend themselves with a gun.
We are a nation made up of people who have an unrealistic fantasy of how effective we will be in protecting ourselves with guns, born and raised on too many Arnold Swarzennegger movies thinking we are super-beings. In reality we have somehow wound up with a pathological relationship with guns.
We are like a bunch of toddlers who can't get along while playing with the blocks. We lose our right to have access to the blocks if we can't learn how to play well with others.
But logic fallacies never miss! Sorry, you can't rely on the "No True Scotsman" defense.
Ummm, yeah. That's EXACTLY the limitations Jesus put there in the very Bible itself! I just forgot my magic goggles to read the invisible ink He wrote in.
Look, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Christian and I fully understand the value of self-defense. But I'm tired of people somehow telling us we all need to find Jesus...but that Jesus looks a lot like a money and gun obsessed American conservative.
But I understand: the wide path is the easy one and that's probably exactly where you find Jesus.
Same with a gun ban, right?
You are correct. I am not a Christian and as such I should allow Christians to tell me exactly what Jesus meant. And as Christians are constantly in need of writing legislation that control EVERYONE ELSE'S LIFE we must accept that THEIR VALUES are OUR VALUES.
I should clarify: I'd prefer to live in a society with people obsessed by love and peace as opposed to a society obsessed by guns and defense. Perhaps Christians scare me with their love of guns and swift punching fists of justice.
The trouble is that that is NOT murder under the law. Involuntary manslaughter is what it is NOT murder just because someone died at the hands of another does NOT make it murder under the law.
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