what do people here think of Joyce Meyer?

TravelerFarAwayFromHome · Feb 7, 2013

sunlover1 said:
Not surprised that her understanding would be attacked.
That woman has a HUGE following.
Just think if she promoted truth,
Yeah, she has a target painted on her silk shirt.

TBH, I used to watch Joyce when I didn't have a group.
While I couldn't speak to her one on one. God is always there to
fill in the gap (that was a joke, hope everyone sees that)
And she was it. I didn't have anything/one else. Wa'nt gonna go
to church regardless, so at least I had something that inspired me
and helped me through some tough times. And I think that's what
most of the women who watch joyce are in need of and 'get' from
her because if you'll notice, she's got a 'loyal' bunch of women who've
been blessed by her.

Her teaching isn't spot on.
Neither is yours no offense.
Neither is mine.

I guess I don't see her so much as a prosperity teacher
(not that I believe God has a problem with money, but more
with us "loving" money and the things we can get)
as I do see her as teaching a lot of women about the battle
that's going on in our minds ...
HUGE big deal for women to be aware that there's an enemy.
You'd be surprised that this is not really taught in much of
Churchianity .. not in my area anyhow. Reformation usa here lol.

actually, I did not realize it is predominately women who watches her show

but then, I don't think paid attention on that one, all I can remember is there were both men and women presents in her sermon....

anyway, I agree that what I liked about her so much is she has very good understanding of what people including Christians in everyday life, and she is very good help us understanding from a scriptural perspective how to effectively deal with those issues.

and yes, I think many of her teachings are generally not being taught in the church, and that is what I find so frustrating...

don't get me wrong, I do think it is importantly to understand scriptural doctrines.

but the fact is we still live in the real world, we still got tons of problems facing us everyday...

and what is wrong with Joyce Meyer teaches us how to face those problems in a biblical manner?

and yes, I would not recommend Joyce Meyer to a new Christian or even non believers

but I do think as long as a person already have a fair amount of understanding of the scripture and is able to be discerning, then I actually think they would get quite a bit out her teaching.

Albion · Feb 8, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
but the fact is we still live in the real world, we still got tons of problems facing us everyday...

and what is wrong with Joyce Meyer teaches us how to face those problems in a biblical manner?

And that's the issue. Not everyone can do --or is called to do--exactly the same thing in life. While I'm not a big fan of Joyce Meyer, she does her work well and I see no reason to pick the woman apart because her ministry is not someone else's ministry.

There are those who call the lost to Christ and there are those who do other good work such as working with the sick or poor. Why shouldn't someone offer advice for daily living to (primarily) women without being seized upon for not being into some other kind of ministry? It's small-minded at best and purposely negative at worst. Surely we, as Christians, can do better than that.

Habakk · Feb 8, 2013

The problem is that it’s not in a biblical manner. Many consider her underlying teachings to be heretical and false. Joyce Meyers philosophy is not under question, it’s the real damage that such false teachings do to other Christians and Christian doctrine. I have refrained from making comments about her teachings simply because I do not want to offend anybody.

TravelerFarAwayFromHome · Feb 8, 2013

Habakk said:
The problem is that its not in a biblical manner. Many consider her underlying teachings to be heretical and false. Joyce Meyers philosophy is not under question, its the real damage that such false teachings do to other Christians and Christian doctrine. I have refrained from making comments about her teachings simply because I do not want to offend anybody.

actually, how many of her teaching have you seen?

sorry, i am not being defensive here or trying to put you on a spot or anyting.

above is a geniune question.

thanks

Habakk · Feb 8, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
actually, how many of her teaching have you seen?

sorry, i am not being defensive here or trying to put you on a spot or anyting.

above is a geniune question.

thanks

I have researched her doctrinal position quite well.

Albion · Feb 8, 2013

Habakk said:
The problem is that it’s not in a biblical manner. Many consider her underlying teachings to be heretical and false.

It's not contrary to the BIble UNLESS one does not believe women presbyters are to be permitted. But that's for the people who attend her sessions to decide. Most, I suppose, see nothing wrong in that.

Otherwise, your complaint is exactly what I questioned---opposition only because she belongs to a different denomination than the critic. But unless the presentations actually promote false doctrine, there's no real issue. John Hagee and that Price kid are very explicit about their doctrinal leanings when they preach, but am I to run in terror from Billy Graham because he's a Baptist?

Habakk · Feb 8, 2013

Albion said:
It's not contrary to the BIble UNLESS one does not believe women presbyters are to be permitted. But that's for the people who attend her sessions to decide. Most, I suppose, see nothing wrong in that.

Otherwise, your complaint is exactly what I questioned---opposition only because she belongs to a different denomination than the critic. But unless the presentations actually promote false doctrine, there's no real issue. John Hagee and that Price kid are very explicit about their doctrinal leanings when they preach, but am I to run in terror from Billy Graham because he's a Baptist?

The fact that she is a woman is not the issue at all. It's what she believes about the cross thats the problem. Doctrines do differ on some issues but there are certain things that we must believe about the cross.

Tiredknight · Feb 8, 2013

Habakk said:
The fact that she is a woman is not the issue at all. It's what she believes about the cross thats the problem. Doctrines do differ on some issues but there are certain things that we must believe about the cross.

A M E N!

If the fundementals are different, it is a different gospel!

Not only the cross but who Jesus is as well matters. This is why SDA is in so much trouble!

sunlover1 · Feb 8, 2013

Tiredknight said:
A M E N!

If the fundementals are different, it is a different gospel!

Not only the cross but who Jesus is as well matters. This is why SDA is in so much trouble!

How bout the Calvinists?
Their twist is alright?
What about the Charismatics?
Are they in much trouble too?
RCC's call mary the "co redemtrex"
Them too?

Just trying to see where you draw the line and
whether there's anything left that's not trouble.

Who CAN we learn from iow?

squint · Feb 8, 2013

sunlover1 said:
How bout the Calvinists?
Their twist is alright?
What about the Charismatics?
Are they in much trouble too?
RCC's call mary the "co redemtrex"
Them too?

Just trying to see where you draw the line and
whether there's anything left that's not trouble.

Who CAN we learn from iow?

I warned my children about wolves and my children will warn theirs.

I would not allow J. Meyer to be broadcast in my home, particularly with children present.

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sunlover1 · Feb 8, 2013

squint said:
I warned my children about wolves and my children will warn theirs.

I would not allow J. Meyer to be broadcast in my home, particularly with children present.

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I don't imagine you would.

Joyce has actually been a blessing to (at least) one of my sons.
I'd allow her to teach my kids.
They all use their Bibles.
They've been taught a solid berean approach

sunlover1 · Feb 8, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
i do not agree with everything she teaches

but i have admit, she seem to really understand problems most Christians faces incl worrying, self esteem , wrong ungodly thinking and forgiveness, and she has this gift of preach in a way that make you see God words in a whole new different light and help you understand how to implement them

some of her teachings really helped me a lot.

Too bad you didn't make it a poll.
But anyhow, go with your conscience, as God leads you.

Albion · Feb 8, 2013

Habakk said:
The fact that she is a woman is not the issue at all. It's what she believes about the cross thats the problem. Doctrines do differ on some issues but there are certain things that we must believe about the cross.

Well, you'd never know what odd perspective she holds about the Cross from her telecasts, so please give us a taste of some heretical teaching of hers by quoting something she's said during one of them. That'll help make your point and satisfy the doubters.

squint · Feb 8, 2013

sunlover1 said:
I don't imagine you would.

Joyce has actually been a blessing to (at least) one of my sons.
I'd allow her to teach my kids.
They all use their Bibles.
They've been taught a solid berean approach

Picky about what we eat at the house or who we let in. I tend to avoid bringing people into my home who may seek to destroy my family for some odd reason, and there is no shortage of them.

Albion · Feb 8, 2013

squint said:
Picky about what we eat at the house or who we let in. I tend to avoid bringing people into my home who may seek to destroy my family for some odd reason, and there is no shortage of them.

So now Joyce Meyer seeks to destroy your family. Really?

squint · Feb 8, 2013

Albion said:
So now Joyce Meyer seeks to destroy your family. Really?

Oh yeah. In general 'believers?????' who seek to burn my family alive in fire forever or eternally kill them if they 'don't believe' their doctrinal statements are not welcome in my home or my life other than for a rebuke.

You may call those efforts 'normal' Christianity.

I call it perversion.

s

Albion · Feb 8, 2013

squint said:
Oh yeah. In general 'believers?????' who seek to burn my family alive in fire forever or eternally kill them if they 'don't believe' their doctrinal statements are not welcome in my home or my life other than for a rebuke.

You may call those efforts 'normal' Christianity.

I call it perversion.

You can rail against God and Christianity all you want, as far as I'm concerned. And yeh, we get it. You don't believe in Hell. Big deal.

Neither Joyce Meyer nor any other Christian pastor is the one sending you there, and no one is trying "to destroy your family." OTOH we all have an obligation to be honest. Whether or not there is a Hell, we can't do anything about it. However, we can live and behave as we ought.

squint · Feb 8, 2013

Albion said:
You can rail against God and Christianity all you want,

Certain versions of same, beyond any doubt I will utterly reject.

Just because somebody 'brands' their lingo with Jesus paint doesn't mean it's automatically Christian does it?

as far as I'm concerned. And yeh, we get it. You don't believe in Hell. Big deal.

No idea where you got that either Albion.

I believe every vessel of dishonor will spend eternity in torture in the LOF, as in 'never ending forever and ever without end.'

Neither Joyce Meyer nor any other Christian pastor is the one sending you there,

Oh please. The 'not me but God' is nothing more than 'them' saying what they think God is saying. Sorry, no horseshoe there either.

and no one is trying "to destroy your family."

Of course they are. That is the promotions of such wolves. Believe exactly as I say or you either will or may burn alive. It's not much different than someone walking up to me with a gun, except with an evil eternal bent added to it. Anti-spiritual mugging. Goes on everyday.

OTOH we all have an obligation to be honest.

Well, I noticed earlier you took a swipe too and then edited it out because you saw the circular logic.

Whether or not there is a Hell, we can't do anything about it. However, we can live and behave as we ought.

There is no question to me about hell if that's what your getting at.

Will believers be there? Depends on who's talking. Many sects don't even know if they are saved and charismania in general is in that vein along with most traditionalism.

They don't know for sure if they are saved but they know for sure for sure that anyone who doesn't listen to them may or will not be?

Fat chance.

s

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 8, 2013

what do people here think of Joyce Meyer?

No more different than I think of Joel Olsteen. Both of them would make a cute couple

The pope races from the plane to catch the next sermon of Joel Olsteen and Joyce Meyer

....

Albion · Feb 8, 2013

Now, THAT's funny, LLOJ

LittleLambofJesus said:
The pope races from the plane to catch the next sermon of Joel Olsteen and Joyce Meyer

....

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