what do people here think of Joyce Meyer?

[Rev Randy]

The women here generally give her her due, while the men generally scoff.

She herself intends her lectures to be primarily for women. It appears she's been effective at it.

But so has Oprah.

 

[Albion]

But so has Oprah.

So.....?

 

[Rev Randy]

So.....?

The Church of Oprah Exposed - YouTube

 

[Albion]

Wasn't the discussion about Joyce Meyer?

 

[Going Merry]

Never heard of the person.

 

[sunlover1]

The women here generally give her her due, while the men generally scoff.

She herself intends her lectures to be primarily for women. It appears she's been effective at it.

I was noticing that as well.
Joyce seems to bless a lot of women.
Hopefully women will be good bereans with ANY teachings.
IIRC, Joyce does teach that concept.

But so has Oprah.

Ewww. really?
OW is not at all a Christian teacher.
She pushes Eckhart Tolle's pantheism iirc.
TBH, I don't watch her.

 

[Rev Randy]

Wasn't the discussion about Joyce Meyer?

Simply answering your "So?".
I'd say Joyce is a good motivator. Just not a good spiritual leader. oprah, Dr. phil and many other could fill that bill as well. So if one is looking to be motivated about worldly things I suppose she'd be just fine. Just another giving those self Churched folk a way to assume they are in fellowship. I have no issue with a Church member listening to her. The have others arund them to correct poor teachings. It's the new "I can worship at home just as well" group she concerns me about. When standing before God explaining why we forsook the assembly of the faithful I'd hate to say, "Well I watched the money grubbing gal on the tube". If you think the self churching issue is not an issue then you haven't been reading much in GT.
I have nothing against her personally. I see most TV types this way. Not speaking of those who simply broadcast their worship service. But those who spout prosperity and psychobabble in an attempt to line their pockets. Sound judgmental? I suppose it is. I see it akin to porn. Replacing actual human contact with an image for gratification. Done in conjunction with true fellowship, it's fine. Replacing human contact with it is not.
As not to leave you with an impression of intolerance, i actually watched a catholic Mass on the tube this morning. It was nice but not the same as the real deal. Nor was it intended to be. Joyce cannot serve you what you truly need and your being Anglican, you know exactly what I mean. And yet, many women call this worship.

 

[sunlover1]

Joyce Meyers Ministries Facebook update seen today on a friend of mines:
Don’t trust your feelings. Trust God’s Word.

 

[Going Merry]

Joyce Meyers Ministries Facebook update seen today on a friend of mines:
Don’t trust your feelings. Trust God’s Word.

Feelings are unreliable.
Emotions can come and go.

Gods word though is reliable, its better to deny your feelings I think

 

[Rev Randy]

I was noticing that as well.
Joyce seems to bless a lot of women.
Hopefully women will be good bereans with ANY teachings.
IIRC, Joyce does teach that concept.


Ewww. really?
OW is not at all a Christian teacher.
She pushes Eckhart Tolle's pantheism iirc.
TBH, I don't watch her.

Oprah was teaching Christ as a layperson pretty well for a while but something happened after she spent some time under Rev. G D America Wright.
I can't speak too much about what Joyce teaches only know full well who her mentors are. K. Copeland and C. Dollar.
I agree that a good student can get something out of her speaking. I am not concerned with a mature christian watching at all. I'm concerned with a new Christian following. Her building up and empowering women is not at all my issue. My issue is that you cannot talk with her one on one. Absolutely nothing personal between her and her TV followers.

 

[Albion]

Simply answering your "So?".
I'd say Joyce is a good motivator. Just not a good spiritual leader. oprah, Dr. phil and many other could fill that bill as well.

That's not really a serious observation in my book. Whether or not one is offended that Meyer's theology is a bit different from their own--and I am not a Pentecostal myself--the truth is that those other people have no credentials whatsoever as speakers on Christian subjects. Meyer, for all her shortcomings, does peg her advice to the Bible and avoids bringing the doctrinal issues that divide Christians into her remarks.

When standing before God explaining why we forsook the assembly of the faithful I'd hate to say, "Well I watched the money grubbing gal on the tube".

Does Meyer make much of a pitch for money on the air compared to the TV evangelists she's been likened to?

I have nothing against her personally. I see most TV types this way. Not speaking of those who simply broadcast their worship service. But those who spout prosperity and psychobabble in an attempt to line their pockets.

I don't think that's at all a fair or accurate comment in Meyer's case, but so be it.

Sound judgmental? I suppose it is. I see it akin to porn. Replacing actual human contact with an image for gratification. Done in conjunction with true fellowship, it's fine. Replacing human contact with it is not.

Now, let's be sensible about this. Was Billy Graham akin to porn and a fan of replacing human contact? They both routinely speak or spoke to huge live audiences...and merely had that telecast to those not in the house. How's that amount to a rejection of fellowship?

Joyce cannot serve you what you truly need

Does she advocate doing without your local church just because you have benefitted from hearing one of her lectures? I think the answer is a clear "no."

And yet, many women call this worship.

Do they? I haven't heard of any who say this, and I don't recall Meyer promoting it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I recall someone coming back from a Joyce Meyer conference and was telling all these anti male jokes .

 

[Rev Randy]

That's not really a serious observation in my book. Whether or not one is offended that Meyer's theology is a bit different from their own--and I am not a Pentecostal myself--the truth is that those other people have no credentials whatsoever as speakers on Christian subjects. Meyer, for all her shortcomings, does peg her advice to the Bible and avoids bringing the doctrinal issues that divide Christians into her remarks.



Does Meyer make much of a pitch for money on the air compared to the TV evangelists she's been likened to?


I don't think that's at all a fair or accurate comment in Meyer's case, but so be it.


Now, let's be sensible about this. Was Billy Graham akin to porn and a fan of replacing human contact? They both routinely speak or spoke to huge live audiences...and merely had that telecast to those not in the house. How's that amount to a rejection of fellowship?


Does she advocate doing without your local church just because you have benefitted from hearing one of her lectures? I think the answer is a clear "no."


Do they? I haven't heard of any who say this, and I don't recall Meyer promoting it.

So how is she different from Billy Graham? Billy is clearly a evangelist. Joyce is an actual pastor of a Church in St'Louis (I believe it's St' Louis). Does she routinly ask for money like the others? Yes and no. She does not play the plant a $1,000 seed card. She sells videos and book at inflated prices to the same end.
Does she advocate not having a home Church? I would certainly hope not. That would make her something I'm not willing to call her. But she does hold her rallies on evangelical Church nights. She concerns me not with the mature Christian woman. Billy Graham is a whole other sort. He does not do anything at his rally except to bring men and women to Christ then in no uncertain terms tells them to go find a Church. Billy seeks no followers.
As to Joyce's theology, I have no clue so I will not speak on that except to say I have seen tapes she sells instructing how to speak in tongues. I even listened to it in full. Now whether you believe in the Pentecostal use of tongues aside, how could you teach how to speak it? I don't think even the Pentecostal would agree with such. They say it comes from God not from a teacher.

 

[Albion]

I recall someone coming back from a Joyce Meyer conference and was telling all these anti male jokes .

Several thousand women from all over, a lot of fellowship, few men, and an easy-going style of lecturing. I suppose so.

 

[Rev Randy]

I recall someone coming back from a Joyce Meyer conference and was telling all these anti male jokes .

Nothing wrong with jokes between women about us fellows. jokes are simply jokes.

 

[squint]

I got enough name it and claim it wealth [false] Gospel decades ago to keep me permanently tuned off with Marilyn Hickey ministries and a number of other ministries of that type, male or female.

Say it isn't so with Meyer?

It's so. Sorry. Or should I say it's so sorry?

It's one thing to listen. It's quite another to contribute. I might suggest any listener/believer to direct $ to starving children where it belongs. After filtering it through tax exempt ministries where there is nearly zero accountability little arrives to the claimed end games.

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[Albion]

So how is she different from Billy Graham? Billy is clearly a evangelist. Joyce is an actual pastor of a Church in St'Louis (I believe it's St' Louis). Does she routinly ask for money like the others? Yes and no. She does not play the plant a $1,000 seed card. She sells videos and book at inflated prices to the same end.

Big deal. There's nothing here to justify an attack.

Does she advocate not having a home Church? I would certainly hope not.

You don't really know, and yet there was no hesitation on your part in tagging her with this kind of judgment: "When standing before God explaining why we forsook the assembly of the faithful I'd hate to say, 'Well I watched the money grubbing gal on the tube'. If you think the self churching issue is not an issue then you haven't been reading much in GT."

I guess I just expected a more thoughtful and balanced reply to the OP from a person of your maturity and experience. Forgive me for not reading further.

 

[sunlover1]

Feelings are unreliable.
Emotions can come and go.

Gods word though is reliable, its better to deny your feelings I think

Oprah was teaching Christ as a layperson pretty well for a while but something happened after she spent some time under Rev. G D America Wright.

Not surprised that her understanding would be attacked.
That woman has a HUGE following.
Just think if she promoted truth,
Yeah, she has a target painted on her silk shirt.

I can't speak too much about what Joyce teaches only know full well who her mentors are. K. Copeland and C. Dollar.
I agree that a good student can get something out of her speaking. I am not concerned with a mature christian watching at all. I'm concerned with a new Christian following. Her building up and empowering women is not at all my issue. My issue is that you cannot talk with her one on one. Absolutely nothing personal between her and her TV followers.

TBH, I used to watch Joyce when I didn't have a group.
While I couldn't speak to her one on one. God is always there to
fill in the gap (that was a joke, hope everyone sees that)
And she was it. I didn't have anything/one else. Wa'nt gonna go
to church regardless, so at least I had something that inspired me
and helped me through some tough times. And I think that's what
most of the women who watch joyce are in need of and 'get' from
her because if you'll notice, she's got a 'loyal' bunch of women who've
been blessed by her.

Her teaching isn't spot on.
Neither is yours no offense.
Neither is mine.

I guess I don't see her so much as a prosperity teacher
(not that I believe God has a problem with money, but more
with us "loving" money and the things we can get)
as I do see her as teaching a lot of women about the battle
that's going on in our minds ...
HUGE big deal for women to be aware that there's an enemy.
You'd be surprised that this is not really taught in much of
Churchianity .. not in my area anyhow. Reformation usa here lol.

 

[sunlover1]

I recall someone coming back from a Joyce Meyer conference and was telling all these anti male jokes .

I think the 'anti male' jokes can be innocent or harmful, depending on the spirit behind them.
ive been guilty of both hate to say.

Either way, Joyce never seemed to advocate such a thing when I watched her LONG time ago lol

 

[Rev Randy]

Here's that woman that does not preach prosperity.
Joyce Meyers EXPOSED - YouTube