what do people here think of Joyce Meyer?

sunlover1 · Apr 15, 2013

GladiatorforGod said:
Jesus didn't take in millions of dollars of $$$$ and spend it on himself. Didn't you read the article, she and her husband are living large on the proceeds from her ministry, while Jesus didn't have a bed to lay His head.

Jesus didn't have a wife and children either.

But actually, Jesus owned all the gold and silver on both sides
of the Jordan, still does.

Do you think that God desires that we be poor?
(Trying to think of some Bible evidence of that)

OH and also, Jesus didn't have a bed, do you?

see what I mean?
We need to really think these things through...
Or we can get in trouble judging folks God is pleased with.

IMO

GladiatorforGod · Apr 15, 2013

sunlover1 said:
Jesus didn't have a wife and children either.

But actually, Jesus owned all the gold and silver on both sides
of the Jordan, still does.

Do you think that God desires that we be poor?
(Trying to think of some Bible evidence of that)

OH and also, Jesus didn't have a bed, do you?

see what I mean?
We need to really think these things through...
Or we can get in trouble judging folks God is pleased with.

IMO

Being poor is one thing, of which the Meyer's are not. If you haven't noticed in the article, the Meyer ministry was rated a "C" by a reputable Christian ministry watchdog group, because of their lavish spending on themselves, that totally goes against the Gospel.

sunlover1 · Apr 15, 2013

GladiatorforGod said:
Being poor is one thing, of which the Meyer's are not.

Where is the line between wealth and poverty?
IOW, to someone in a third world country,
you're ridiculously wealthy and greedy and
wasteful.
I'm not taking sides here, I'm trying to be
objective and fair.

If you haven't noticed in the article, the Meyer ministry was rated a "C" by a reputable Christian ministry watchdog group, because of their lavish spending on themselves, that totally goes against the Gospel.

I have to use my own judgement, I have no idea what criteria
is used by a "watchdog group", who they are, what theyre about,
where their hearts are etc.
Not trying to be disagreeable, again, I'm trying to be logical,
objective and fair.

Also, consider Solomon.
Who gave him those riches?
Why?

rockytopva · Apr 15, 2013

GladiatorforGod said:
Jesus didn't take in millions of dollars of $$$$ and spend it on himself. Didn't you read the article, she and her husband are living large on the proceeds from her ministry, while Jesus didn't have a bed to lay His head.

"When you are effective you are opposed." -TD Jakes

bornofGod888 · Apr 15, 2013

sunlover1 said:
Also, consider Solomon.
Who gave him those riches?
Why?

God gave him those riches, but not for some of the purposes which Solomon put them to. God said:

Deuteronomy 17:14-17 said:
When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are about me; Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee which is not thy brother. But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

God obviously didn't give Solomon riches to multiply horses from Egypt or to multiply wives unto himself, yet this is precisely what Solomon used some of his riches for:

I Kings 10:28-11:14 said:
And Solomon had horses brought out of Egypt, and linen yarn: the king's merchants received the linen yarn at a price. And a chariot came up and went out of Egypt for six hundred shekels of silver, and an horse for an hundred and fifty: and so for all the kings of the Hittites, and for the kings of Syria, did they bring them out by their means. But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was very angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned away from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen. And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.

In fact, if I had started this quote a bit sooner, then it is also obvious that Solomon multiplied gold unto himself so much (I Kings 10:14-15) that silver, by comparison, was simply like stones (I Kings 10:27). Solomon's misuse of funds, in direct violation to God's commands, cost both him and the nation of Israel dearly.

To answer your question, I believe that God gave Solomon riches to build the temple whose design He had given to David by the Spirit and to help to run the nation. This account reminds me much of what transpired with the children of Israel after they spoiled the Egyptians. Some of the spoils were used in building the tabernacle and some of the spoils were used to fashion a golden calf. As such, I don't think that money, in and of itself, is evil (although the love of it is), but it is important that we use it properly, as good stewards of that which ultimately belongs to God Himself.

Just two cents worth from our friendly, neighborhood "watchdog group".

bornofGod888 · Apr 15, 2013

rockytopva said:
"When you are effective you are opposed." -TD Jakes

TD Jakes?

God help us.

sunlover1 · Apr 15, 2013

bornofGod888 said:
God gave him those riches,...

Amen.

but not for some of the purposes which Solomon put them to. God said:
God obviously didn't give Solomon riches to multiply horses from Egypt or to multiply wives unto himself, yet this is precisely what Solomon used some of his riches for:

My point was simply to show the young man that God had no problem with
the blessing a man with wealth and good things.
Nothing wrong with having 'stuff' so long as you
are in love with the creator OF the stuff and not
the stuff He gives.

My son and I were just reading a financial book and
when I asked him why we need not "worry" over money
he said "because it's just money?"
lol.
Wasn't what I was getting at but it was a great attitude
And I feel that same way about having little or having
much. It's just stuff.
It's the "heart" that matters.

Just two cents worth from our friendly, neighborhood "watchdog group".

Yes, and we all have our understandings and opinions.

PreachingChristCrucified · Apr 15, 2013

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:
what do people here think of Joyce Meyer?

She's a heretic.

GladiatorforGod · Apr 15, 2013

sunlover1 said:
Where is the line between wealth and poverty?
IOW, to someone in a third world country,
you're ridiculously wealthy and greedy and
wasteful.
I'm not taking sides here, I'm trying to be
objective and fair.

I have to use my own judgement, I have no idea what criteria
is used by a "watchdog group", who they are, what theyre about,
where their hearts are etc.
Not trying to be disagreeable, again, I'm trying to be logical,
objective and fair.

Also, consider Solomon.
Who gave him those riches?
Why?

Your are not being logical, you are in denial of the facts. Every professed Evangelical in modern history who has lived large while doing ministry has sooner of later gone the way of scandal. Jim & Tammy Fae Baker, Jimmy Swagart, scores of black preachers, who preach the prosperity gospel, and the list goes on.

SolomonVII · Apr 15, 2013

GladiatorforGod said:
Jesus didn't take in millions of dollars of $$$$ and spend it on himself. Didn't you read the article, she and her husband are living large on the proceeds from her ministry, while Jesus didn't have a bed to lay His head.

Except if you are a godless communist, being rich is not normally considered a sin.

sunlover1 · Apr 15, 2013

GladiatorforGod said:
Your are not being logical, you are in denial of the facts.

Which facts?
BTW, What IS wealthy?
Anyone who has more than me?

Do you save money up?
Why? Not to get poorer.
Do you try to get the best paying job?
Sure.

Every professed Evangelical in modern history who has lived large while doing ministry has sooner of later gone the way of scandal.

Lived large.
Again, WE live large.
And be careful when you use words like "every"
folks want a thing proven around here.

Jim & Tammy Fae Baker, Jimmy Swagart, scores of black preachers,

What does pigment have to do with it?

who preach the prosperity gospel, and the list goes on.

We need to "prosper".
We're told to feed the poor, care for widows etc.
Scripture says to leave an inheritance for my
childrens children. Must be we better prosper a bit.
How much?
What's up with that?

I don't see money as an "evil" thing.
I see the LOVE of money as the evil thing.

God blesses with money and wealth too.
As He did with Solomon, EVEN knowing that
Solomon would (according to bornofgod888)
misuse the wealth.
'Sup with that now?

That's my take, my opinion. my understanding.

sunlover1 · Apr 15, 2013

SolomonVII said:
Except if you are a godless communist, being rich is not normally considered a sin.

Aren't you rich?
What's "rich"?

bornofGod888 · Apr 15, 2013

sunlover1 said:
God blesses with money and wealth too.
As He did with Solomon, EVEN knowing that
Solomon would (according to bornofgod888)
misuse the wealth.
'Sup with that now?

That's my take, my opinion. my understanding.

Why is it according to me? All that I did was quote the scriptures. I didn't write them.

sunlover1 · Apr 15, 2013

bornofGod888 said:
Why is it according to me? All that I did was quote the scriptures. I didn't write them.

You did more than just quote Scripture.
(See blue font below)

bornofGod888 said:
To answer your question, I believe that God gave Solomon riches to build the temple whose design He had given to David by the Spirit and to help to run the nation. This account reminds me much of what transpired with the children of Israel after they spoiled the Egyptians. Some of the spoils were used in building the tabernacle and some of the spoils were used to fashion a golden calf. As such, I don't think that money, in and of itself, is evil (although the love of it is), but it is important that we use it properly, as good stewards of that which ultimately belongs to God Himself.

Just two cents worth from our friendly, neighborhood "watchdog group".

sunlover1 said:
Yes, and we all have our understandings and opinions.

But I was referring to "watchdog"s.
They all have their own understandings and opinions.
We all do

SolomonVII · Apr 15, 2013

sunlover1 said:
Aren't you rich?
What's "rich"?

Well, in relationship to John the Baptist, Jesus was accused by his critics as living high off the hog. (well, in a manner of speaking; I am sure it was a kosher hog).

Wealth is a relative sort of thing.

In comparison to this Meyers lady, whom I don't know anything about really, for all appearances, she seems more blessed than us, but we really do not know what here trials are like. In spite of all appearances, it could really suck to be her. Very often in fact, if we knew what problems those that seem very blessed actually have, we wouldn't trade places with them for all the riches in the world.

Sometimes it really sucks to be me too. But rather than focusing on my envy of others, I try to focus on what there is in my life that I can be grateful for.

bornofGod888 · Apr 15, 2013

sunlover1 said:
You did more than just quote Scripture.
(See blue font below)

bornofGod888 said:

To answer your question, I believe that God gave Solomon riches to build the temple whose design He had given to David by the Spirit and to help to run the nation. This account reminds me much of what transpired with the children of Israel after they spoiled the Egyptians. Some of the spoils were used in building the tabernacle and some of the spoils were used to fashion a golden calf. As such, I don't think that money, in and of itself, is evil (although the love of it is), but it is important that we use it properly, as good stewards of that which ultimately belongs to God Himself.

Just two cents worth from our friendly, neighborhood "watchdog group".

Click to expand...

Ummm, even the stuff in blue is scriptural.

Regarding what I said about monies to build the temple whose pattern was given to David by God, you can read I Chronicles chapters 28 and 29.

What I said about how the Israelites used the spoils of the Egyptians is also scriptural (I'm sure that you're already familiar with it, so I'm not going to post scriptural references).

Finally, I Timothy 6:10 says that "the love of money is the root of all evil".

Like I said, I was only quoting scripture which I did not write.

sunlover1 · Apr 15, 2013

SolomonVII said:
Well, in relationship to John the Baptist, Jesus was accused by his critics as living high off the hog. (well, in a manner of speaking; I am sure it was a kosher hog).

Wealth is a relative sort of thing.

That's how I see it.

And I don't care if He gives me a lot of 'stuff'
or doesn't. I just want to be WHERE HE WANTS
me.

In comparison to this Meyers lady, whom I don't know anything about really, for all appearances, she seems more blessed than us, but we really do not know what here trials are like. In spite of all appearances, it could really suck to be her. Very often in fact, if we knew what problems those that seem very blessed actually have, we wouldn't trade places with them for all the riches in the world.

Sometimes it really sucks to be me too. But rather than focusing on my envy of others, I try to focus on what there is in my life that I can be grateful for.

LOL
Yeah, it sure can suck to be me too.
But I agree with you that it could suck to be her.
And really, I know next to nothing about her too.

And I know what you mean about being grateful.
The older I get and the crazier the news gets
I try to just love every second of this that HE
gave me and bask in the Son.

bornofGod888 said:
Ummm, even the stuff in blue is scriptural.

Regarding what I said about monies to build the temple whose pattern was given to David by God, you can read I Chronicles chapters 28 and 29.

What I said about how the Israelites used the spoils of the Egyptians is also scriptural (I'm sure that you're already familiar with it, so I'm not going to post scriptural references).

Finally, I Timothy 6:10 says that "the love of money is the root of all evil".

Like I said, I was only quoting scripture which I did not write.

And like I said:
But I was referring to "watchdog"s.
They all have their own understandings and opinions.
We all do

Can you hear me now? heh.

No offense, but I really hate wasting my time
hashing over nothing and repeating myself.

God bless you!
Have a great day.

bornofGod888 · Apr 15, 2013

lol.

bornofGod888 · Apr 15, 2013

Tangible said:
Pop-psychology meets pop-Christianity. Lots o' pietism, very little Christ and him crucified for us. With a side order of false doctrine.

Sounds about right.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 15, 2013

bornofGod888 said:
lol.

Cat got yer tongue?

.

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