What do our distant cousins in Europe think of the U.S. now?

[Freodin]

After the events that unfolded in twentieth century Europe, I hardly think their opinion on what is insane or not holds much weight.

Well, you might say: we were there, we did the insane things, we went through it... we tried to learn from it. Maybe we weren't totally successful in that, but at least we tried.

And so we have the experience to warn you about the way you are on.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Well, you might say: we were there, we did the insane things, we went through it... we tried to learn from it. Maybe we weren't totally successful in that, but at least we tried.

And so we have the experience to warn you about the way you are on.

I don't see anything in North America that is in any way analogous to Europe of the 1930's and 40s..

 

[mindlight]

Do they think that we have lost our minds?

It seems that America has demonstrated that its constitution, the rule of law and order and indeed its democracy is stronger than a deluded and deceiving charismatic leader intent on preserving his own position at all costs. In that sense the events of the last few weeks are a triumph. What must come next is a necessary war in the Republican party to remove Trump from consideration for 2024. At present too many Republicans are still afraid of what Trump and his supporters might do to them if they actually stand for truth, justice and the American way.

America is welcome back in the Paris Climate accord in the middle of an environmental crisis, back into WHO in the middle of a Pandemic and back into the world community anxiously watching Russian and Chinese belligerence with some concern. Also hopefully there will be a little more balance of perspective vis a vis the two "satans" of the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and Iran, without sacrificing on support for Israel.

 

[mindlight]

I think you have lost your mind when you made Trump your president and that this is only a natural progression of insanity.

In 2016 Hilary was the worst choice. In 2020 Trump was the worst choice.

 

[mindlight]

After the events that unfolded in twentieth century Europe, I hardly think their opinion on what is insane or not holds much weight.

Or precisely because Germany has had an experience of being deceived by a powerful charismatic, who made promises, and wove a great delusion, they are perfectly qualified to comment. Also the British who fought against said charismatic, when the Americans did not even accept what was going on in Europe was a problem, winning the battle of Britain, the Atlantic, and El Alamein before the Americans turned up.

 

[mindlight]

I don't see anything in North America that is in any way analogous to Europe of the 1930's and 40s..

I would have supported Trump in 2016, as a better option than Hilary, although personally unfit for office, and think he would have won in 2020 were it not for covid19. The Pandemic was the big test of his presidency and his character. It showed him to be a liar who would do anything to hold onto power for his own selfish reasons. Hitler never won an absolute majority of the German electorate either yet went on to consolidate his power. Just like Trump failed to do.

 

[Robban]

Or precisely because Germany has had an experience of being deceived by a powerful charismatic, who made promises, and wove a great delusion, they are perfectly qualified to comment. Also the British who fought against said charismatic, when the Americans did not even accept what was going on in Europe was a problem, winning the battle of Britain, the Atlantic, and El Alamein before the Americans turned up.

Is that not simplifying matters?

Pres Roosevelt did all he could to help

but was held back in thinking the American public would not approve of getting into another war so short time after WW1.

Then came Pearl harbour and the tide turned.

Without America Britain would have starved,

They German u-boats were sinking ships faster than they could be built.

But American shipyards started building liberty ships, so fast it was an extraordinary feat.

When America joined in Admiral Dönitz was happy in as much as his u-boats could now sink almost anything that floated.

Including American shipping.

 

[mindlight]

Is that not simplifying matters?

Pres Roosevelt did all he could to help

but was held back in thinking the American public would not approve of getting into another war so short time after WW1.

Then came Pearl harbour and the tide turned.

Without America Britain would have starved,

They German u-boats were sinking ships faster than they could be built.

But American shipyards started building liberty ships, so fast it was an extraordinary feat.

When America joined in Admiral Dönitz was happy in as much as his u-boats could now sink almost anything that floated.

Including American shipping.

Roosevelt played a strategic long game which was massively to Americas advantage. Before the US joined the war, in 1941-42, Britain paid for the help it received with Lend Lease. Indeed the British incurred a debt which took them till 2006 to pay off, they gave America bases all around the world and in exchange for American support we effectively agreed to lose our empire after the war. That said my American grandfather was a Grenadier Guard in 1939 and served through the war and when America did join its contribution was decisive. It could not have been decisive if Britain had lost control of the Mediterranean, (Gibraltar, Malta and Suez) or indeed been invaded. Also Marshall Aid after the war stopped Britain and Europe going communist and allowed for the rebuilding of the European economies. But that was given by Truman not Roosevelt.

 

[Robban]

Roosevelt played a strategic long game which was massively to Americas advantage. Before the US joined the war, in 1941-42, Britain paid for the help it received with Lend Lease. Indeed the British incurred a debt which took them till 2006 to pay off, they gave America bases all around the world and in exchange for American support we effectively agreed to lose our empire after the war. That said my American grandfather was a Grenadier Guard in 1939 and served through the war and when America did join its contribution was decisive. It could not have been decisive if Britain had lost control of the Mediterranean, (Gibraltar, Malta and Suez) or indeed been invaded. Also Marshall Aid after the war stopped Britain and Europe going communist and allowed for the rebuilding of the European economies. But that was given by Truman not Roosevelt.

Heard it said that the straights of Gibratar was

for a German u-boat like trying to go through the eye of a needle.

Thing is

 

[Robban]

Heard it said that the straits of Gibratar was

for a German u-boat like trying to go through the eye of a needle.

Thing is

Oops, wiped my keyboard and submitted before I was finished..

What I was meaning to say was,

not so much thought is given to the unsung heroes,

and the vital roll liberty ships, those that built them those that sailed them,

and also after the war the roll they played in European economy getting back on it's feet.

Greek shipowners bought them cheap which helped to get life up and running again.

The Atlantic convoys were like a floating pipeline.

In fact W Churchlll's greatest fear was the German u-boat threat.

This may be a different side of things than usually discussed, but should not be forgotten.

 

[Anthony2019]

The recent political events that have taken place in the USA have not changed my opinion of the American people in the slightest.
America is a great country and has some of the kindest, warmhearted and generous souls on earth. As a nation, it is by no means perfect, but neither is any other country, including the UK where I live. Sometimes we get things right. Sometimes we get it wrong.
And that is why we have to stick together, to show solidarity, to learn from one another, not just from our flaws but from our many strengths.

 

[All Englands Skies]

The recent political events that have taken place in the USA have not changed my opinion of the American people in the slightest.
America is a great country and has some of the kindest, warmhearted and generous souls on earth. As a nation, it is by no means perfect, but neither is any other country, including the UK where I live. Sometimes we get things right. Sometimes we get it wrong.
And that is why we have to stick together, to show solidarity, to learn from one another, not just from our flaws but from our many strengths.

Trouble is, there is a massive gulf developing in most of the "Western World" (Well, reading history, its always there, there is no "good old days" just peaks in polarisation) of two camps, one that thinks everything that has come from the "Western" world is all wonderful, just and perfect and the rest of the world lags behind the enlightened status and another camp that thinks its the most evil, neo-colonial beast that has done not one good thing and the non-western world is morally superior in every respect.

Maybe a better way is simply to attempt to champion the rights for all as individuals and attempt to move away from this "Identity politics" which lets face it, is rife in both those who deem themselves "on the Left" and those who deem themselves " on the Right".

 

[Robban]

Trouble is, there is a massive gulf developing in most of the "Western World" (Well, reading history, its always there, there is no "good old days" just peaks in polarisation) of two camps, one that thinks everything that has come from the "Western" world is all wonderful, just and perfect and the rest of the world lags behind the enlightened status and another camp that thinks its the most evil, neo-colonial beast that has done not one good thing and the non-western world is morally superior in every respect.

Maybe a better way is simply to attempt to champion the rights for all as individuals and attempt to move away from this "Identity politics" which lets face it, is rife in both those who deem themselves "on the Left" and those who deem themselves " on the Right".

Always be walking through the splitting of the sea.

Always be leaving the slavery of Egypt,
never say,
"I am this."

 

[Semper-Fi]

Do they think that we have lost our minds?

Jan 19, 2021 Europe believes China will overtake US
as superpower during Biden's presidency: Poll

Europe believes China will overtake US as superpower during Biden's presidency: Poll, World News | wionews.com

 

[Semper-Fi]

America and Great Britain once ruled because
they owned the worlds sea gates. These vital points
made possible for free trade around the world.

Sad these gates are almost have been conceded away.
Now in a trade war, China can even restrict access to
even the Panama canal by the U.S. Navy when wanted.

Chokepoints Definition and Explanation (thoughtco.com)

 

[Vanellus]

Unhealthy obsession with China maybe?

 

[Estrid]

It seems that America has demonstrated that its constitution, the rule of law and order and indeed its democracy is stronger than a deluded and deceiving charismatic leader intent on preserving his own position at all costs. In that sense the events of the last few weeks are a triumph. What must come next is a necessary war in the Republican party to remove Trump from consideration for 2024. At present too many Republicans are still afraid of what Trump and his supporters might do to them if they actually stand for truth, justice and the American way.

America is welcome back in the Paris Climate accord in the middle of an environmental crisis, back into WHO in the middle of a Pandemic and back into the world community anxiously watching Russian and Chinese belligerence with some concern. Also hopefully there will be a little more balance of perspective vis a vis the two "satans" of the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and Iran, without sacrificing on support for Israel.

Hong Kong is not confident in Biden, appreciated the
support Trump offerred.

 

[Red Gold]

Hong Kong is not confident in Biden, appreciated the
support Trump offerred.

Some months have past now.
Do you still think so?

And what kind of support did Trump offer?

 

[Red Gold]

Now in a trade war, China can even restrict access to
even the Panama canal by the U.S. Navy when wanted.

Chokepoints Definition and Explanation (thoughtco.com)

How can China do this?

 

[Estrid]

Some months have past now.
Do you still think so?

And what kind of support did Trump offer?

If anything less confidence in Biden than earlier.
How could anyone .

Trump? Not that it comes to anything but eze to Google,
Save me writing.