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Yep. In Arminianism, Christ's atonement didn't actually save anyone. It merely made men savable.
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So the atonement was made available for every single person. Was the atonement ever actually made for anyone?
Therefore you believe in a limited atonement as much as I do, maybe more... And I quote:
One question:
Is the intercessory work of Christ as our High Priest a separate work apart from His death on the cross as the sacrificial lamb?
The believing world. The sin of unbelievers has not been taken away. Otherwise, Christ's statement, "If you believe not that I am you shall die in your sins," is meaningless.Yes - Christ takes away the sin of the world.
Understand then that the promises are for the children of Abraham and no one else. Paul said that the remission of sins and the promises are "for US their children." This implies that they had been children of faith already. Paul said that the Gospel message is "from faith to faith." Otherwise, Paul could not have identified them as "children" when preaching to them. The seed of faith must have been in them all along.Galatians 3:7
Understand, then, that those with faith are children of Abraham.
"But since you reject it we turn to the Gentiles" (13:46).Where does is say that Paul would have nothing more to do with them?
Of course! The gospel the Arminians preach is for those who are not Abraham's children. The gospel the Calvinists preach is "for US their children."Right, finally it is established that the gospel you preach is different to that which Arminians preach.
Understand then that the promises are for the children of Abraham and no one else. Paul said that the remission of sins and the promises are "for US their children." This implies that they had been children of faith already. Paul said that the Gospel message is "from faith to faith." Otherwise, Paul could not have identified them as "children" when preaching to them. The seed of faith must have been in them all along.
It might also be worth mentioning (in light of the atonement discussion going on) that in Galatians 3:13-14, the redemption Christ secured is specifically for the seed of Abraham i.e. children by faith v26.
The believing world. The sin of unbelievers has not been taken away. Otherwise, Christ's statement, "If you believe not that I am you shall die in your sins," is meaningless.
Understand then that the promises are for the children of Abraham and no one else. Paul said that the remission of sins and the promises are "for US their children." This implies that they had been children of faith already. Paul said that the Gospel message is "from faith to faith." Otherwise, Paul could not have identified them as "children" when preaching to them. The seed of faith must have been in them all along.
"But since you reject it we turn to the Gentiles" (13:46).
See if you can find a narrative in Acts where the apostles sought out the Jewish leadership after that. They didn't. They went into the synagogues and preached to the common people. The synagogues were for the common people. And Paul told the Corinthians that they "PREACH Christ a stumbling block" to them. Will you continue to revise biblical history?
Of course! The gospel the Arminians preach is for those who are not Abraham's children. The gospel the Calvinists preach is "for US their children."
Furthermore, the Galatians were child-heirs (minors) before they had come to faith in Christ. By faith they became [adult] Sons. 4:1-6
Where does it say in John 1 that 'world' means 'believers' or 'the elect'?
Why would John 8:24 not make sense?
So if "world" in v19 is every single man, woman and child with no qualification, who is the "us" and "we" in v21?
And if it be every single man, woman and child with no qualification, then what about what most commentators make of where it was derived from?
Gal. 3:13 - Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for usfor it is written, Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree.
'World' is never explicitly used to mean 'elect'.
To answer your question - the 'us' and 'we' in v.21 are believers and God has tasked them with the ministry of reconciliation to 'the world' (v.19)
21God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Why can you not understand it? Charis kai Dunamis understood it. Only the children of Abraham have the ability to believe. Paul said that God fulfilled the promises to "US their children." This implies that Paul's hearers were the children of Abraham which implies that they had the seed of faith in them. Paul said that the Gospel brings men "from faith to faith."I'm not following this. Sorry.
You did not deal with my point. After Paul said to the Jewish leadership, "we turn to the Gentiles," he never went to them again. Find a narrative in Acts where he did. He preached Christ as a "stumbling block" to them.Paul never said he would not preach the gospel to the Jewish leadership, or any other group of men for that matter, though it is true that he was appointed to be the apostle to the Gentiles. I have no idea why you are pursuing this point.
And we know that faith can be exercised by anyone, including your good self Boxer. That is good news.
John 3:16
'World' is never explicitly used to mean 'elect'.
Why can you not understand it? Charis kai Dunamis understood it. Only the children of Abraham have the ability to believe.
Paul said that God fulfilled the promises to "US their children." This implies that Paul's hearers were the children of Abraham which implies that they had the seed of faith in them.
Paul said that the Gospel brings men "from faith to faith."
Jesus said that some men are not the children of Abraham. Therefore, the seed of faith is not in them, and God did not fulfill the promises to them. Men CANNOT move from unbelief to faith. They move from faith to faith.
Cornelius was an example of a man who moves from faith to faith. He believed in the God of the Hebrews and he obeyed the angel who told him to send for Peter. This is NOT unbelief my friend. This is faith! When Peter came to Cornelius and preached Christ Cornelius believed. So, Cornelius moved from faith in the covenant God to faith in Christ specifically.
You did not deal with my point. After Paul said to the Jewish leadership, "we turn to the Gentiles," he never went to them again. Find a narrative in Acts where he did. He preached Christ as a "stumbling block" to them.
You have failed to substantiate your claims from the scriptures.
Please acknowledge your error. I'm getting tired of correcting it.
I don't acknowledge any error.
It is good news that every man has access to eternal life.
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