Are you not aware that when Jesus founded Christianity (Catholicism) many Jews, Gentiles, etc., converted to Christianity? Are you not aware that Jesus said He wants to bring all other folds into His one fold?
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So you are saying the Catholic church got off to a good start pre-gentile with a healthy Hebrew congregation.
Yes but in the beginning they were all Hebrew and He said He was going to His nations (Hebrew) first. So that means the universal church was only universal in the beginning within the House of Israel before Cornelius came along, and even he was already a proselyte within the Jewish faith and not entirely gentile.Are you not aware that Jesus said He wants to bring all other folds into His one fold?
Yes but in the beginning they were all Hebrew and He said He was going to His nations (Hebrew) first. So that means the universal church was only universal in the beginning within the House of Israel before Cornelius came along, and even he was already a proselyte within the Jewish faith and not entirely gentile.
I know.. but we were talking about the very beginnings of the Catholic church and that was it, Hebrew onlyHis Church was founded in Israel, but that doesn't mean "universal" is limited to Israel....
apostle Paul is the church by example, and everyone following in the same example of Christ.What misconception? It's a fact that Jesus founded Christianity and Catholic Christians were the only ones who go back as far as Jesus, over two thousand years ago. Every other Christian denomination founded by other men came centuries later.
the fold of Jesus hears Jesus Christ, not wolves in sheeps clothing.If they belonged to the Christian Catholic Church Jesus founded then they were Christian Catholics, because Jesus intended Jews, Gentiles, people of all folds, to come into His one fold. Unfortunately, centuries after His Church's inception, other men formed their own Christian denomination, rather than join or remain in Jesus's Christian (Catholic) fold that He founded.
There is no Catholic church, the church is to be presented to God holy without blemish. ( a meek and quiet Spirit)I know.. but we were talking about the very beginnings of the Catholic church and that was it, Hebrew only
I know.. but we were talking about the very beginnings of the Catholic church and that was it, Hebrew only
any church that is full of people who take lives ( catholic church supporting wars/killing( is only murderers. ( wolves)
There is no perfect organized hierarchal institutionalized whatever man wants to make it church because it contains imperfect humans who wish to make everything about themselves thus putting the focus on their own truths. Jesus' pure church was simply independent people who put the will of God ahead of their own because as He said, only God spoke truth, not man.I'm sorry to see you have such a misguided view of Jesus's Church
I'm sorry to see you have such a misguided view of Jesus's Church.
So we must decide which Kingdom we live in? Probably so. If this world, take up arms and be pro-gun. If his kingdom, accept maltreatment and be pacifist.here is how Jesus tells about defence...
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
There is no perfect organized hierarchal institutionalized whatever man wants to make it church because it contains imperfect humans...
Actually He said Peter was the first to speak truth from the Father, The Father's truth being the only truth his movement/church would be built upon. The only church at the time was the church of Jerusalem and that was run by His brother James.He made Peter, an imperfect human, to be the first among equals as leader of that earthly Church
Jesus Christ did not accept evil treatment, and be harmless by choice, it is because of that the devil is destroyed.So we must decide which Kingdom we live in? Probably so. If this world, take up arms and be pro-gun. If his kingdom, accept maltreatment and be pacifist.
Not many "Christians" around then.
the scriptures are clear, if you acknowledge them and agree to them, what do you have to explain.People have misconceptions about Jesus's Church, so if you want to understand the truth I'm always here to clarify things for you if you choose. :]
Regarding Peter and perfection..Correct and I'm the first to remind people of that, but that doesn't change the fact that Jesus founded Christianity. He founded the Christian (Catholic) Church over two thousand years ago. He made Peter, an imperfect human, to be the first among equals as leader of that earthly Church. Since Peter there has been a successor of his position for over two thousand years. That position is that of the "Pope." Is he "infallible"? No, and many people misunderstand what Catholics mean when we say He's infallible. They should research it. List of misconceptions about Jesus's Church go on and on.
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