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No and no, but it didn't take man long to scurry back to their old self serving ways and abandon His Kingdom to build one of their own. Their way or the highway just like every caesar, institution or despot before them. Unlike man, God gives us a choice.So, we call Jesus Christ, a landless 'king', "Lord". If His Kingdom is not eternal He failed didn't He? Has he been dethroned by the protester, made to conform to their will?
There is no error in a Truth taught by the Holy Church. However, you can't say the same about the cacophony individual faiths found in the non-Catholics.
The basic doctrines were not those of any gentile dominated church but simply Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom. That didn't get changed, it got sidetracked and altered to ignore part while promoting another.
Jesus let nothing go off the rails. Man did because man still has free will and uses it constantly to serve self. But think about it. How long would the Jewish followers of Jesus lasted or what influence would they have had once the nation was scattered? The time of the gentiles was and decreasingly is for a reason, to forward the Gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus brought, well into the future at the hands of those God knew would twist things around. God is quite capable of using His enemies for His own purpose... which of course shows who is the smarter of the two no matter how loudly man's religions beat their chests. God's truth hiding in plain sight within the hands of an enemy that at one time kept but withheld God's scripture from the people. Now that Gospel can't be hidden no matter how hard denominations try, because it convicts them of following the will of man over the will of the Father, aligning with the world rather than the Kingdom.
Matthew 20:25
"Give us this day our daily bread"
(oh and man's doctrines are not the truth of
God but the words of man. Jesus'doctrines on the other hand in His Gospel of the Kingdom, are truth from the Father and remain constant))
The Apostles forwarded the Gospel of the Kingdom creating a movement of a counter-culture to the world of man, not a religion or religious institution aligned with the world.Why do you not do what the apostles handed down?
Why do you and at least one other of your fellow Catholics, not seem to understand that Christianity is THE faith? One Lord, one faith.
Catholics and non Catholics have the same faith and believe the same Gospel.
You are talking about church practices in non Catholics, not different faiths.
Hello JoeT, reading your many detailed answers here I have a new question I think you can answer. If everyone on earth was to become a Catholic, would they all go to heaven in the end because they became Catholic? Do all those who do not become a Catholic not go to heaven in the end? If this is true, then all I have to do is become a Catholic and it will all be well with my soul regardless of how I may live my life (even though my intention is to be a good person)?I'm talking about very distinct differences in the root of faith itself. If believing Protestantism and Catholicism is the same faith why then isn't everybody Catholic, after all the 'practice' but a product of faith. The difference is most profound in the concepts of "justification", the process of being perfected in the state of justice, which is all virtues.
“Justice is uprightness (rectitudo)-of-will kept for its own sake.” [St. Anselm, On Truth, 12]. Continuing St. Anselm said, “Justice is not rightness of knowledge or rightness of action but is rightness of will.” [St. Anselm, On Truth, 12]. Therefore, we plainly see justification is a movement or process of perfecting God’s Grace of a virtuous Justice wherein, says the Catechism of the Catholic Church, justification is "the sanctification of the whole being" [CCC 1995] is received in Baptism as an effect of grace, re-introducing man to the mercy of God, weakening the original privation of justice making a new man who is 'born again' into the “rectitude of divine love”. [CCC 1991].
The Catholic concept of justification is an anathema to Protestantism as they receive justification, (sanctity and righteousness) by waving a magic wand saying, "I believe, therefore I am justified"; the magic of "believing". Luther's pile of dung covered in a purely white snow should come to mind - the foulness of it all remains and somehow remains "righteous".
The principles of Catholicism reform the will to the will of God. As I understand the Protestant use of the word "Christianity" usurps this principle for a seat in the Kingdom, akin to gate-crashers. Protesting becomes "the faith", simply hidden under the guise of the word "Christianity". Where Catholicism is aligning the will to the will of God, the Protestant world aligns the world to himself subjugating the will of God to the will of man. The fundamental principle of reform-ism (which is really deform-ism) came straight out of the ungodly "Enlightenment" in a statement widely attributed to Voltaire: "It is contrary to the natural, innate, and inalienable right and liberty and dignity of man, to subject himself to an authority, the root, rule, measure, and sanction of which is not in himself".
I've come to view the true authority of Protestantism resides in the subjective reasoning of the intellect, that which is sanctioned from within. Of course an autonomous authority requires ‘freedom from’ morals as well as ‘freedom to’ implement proxy ethics independent of God’s will. Faith becomes a social construct based on the interior of the individual, changing from time to time depending on expediency. Being autonomous the intellect lacks the guidance and authority found in the Catholic Church.
Like the political variant, Liberalism, Protestantism becomes the program of rationalism; where “Free thought begets free morals, or immorality- Restraint is thrown off and a free rein given to the passions. WHOEVER THINKS WHAT HE PLEASES WILL DO WHAT HE PLEASES (sic).” [Don Felix Sarda y Salvany, "Liberalism Is a Sin"].
In conclusion, Protestantism and Catholicism are not the same belief.
JoeT
While it would be a happy thought, I doubt it.Hello JoeT, reading your many detailed answers here I have a new question I think you can answer. If everyone on earth was to become a Catholic, would they all go to heaven in the end because they became Catholic?
I wish, we all still have sin to contend with. However, one stands a better chance , as it were, to 'survive' in a fortified position of truth as opposed to wondering in the wilderness unprepared for evil's attach.Do all those who do not become a Catholic not go to heaven in the end?
I'm assuming this is a rhetorical question. You might recall Christ said "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect." [Matthew 5:48]. It would seem to me that being Catholic would certainly be a step in that direction. After all she is a bastion Christ built for our protection. I guess one could ask if there is another direction. Here I would remind you of another of Christ's words, "How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!" [Matthew 7:14]. Don't get lost in the weeds.If this is true, then all I have to do is become a Catholic and it will all be well with my soul regardless of how I may live my life (even though my intention is to be a good person)?
While it would be a happy thought, I doubt it.
A happy thought? Either they will all go to heaven if they are Catholic or they won't. This is not a thought question, it is a yes or no question.
I wish, we all still have sin to contend with. However, one stands a better chance to, as it were, 'survive' in a fortified position of truth as opposed to wondering in the wilderness upreared for evil's attach.
I'm assuming this is a rhetorical question. You might recall Christ said "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect." [Matthew 5:48]. It would seem to me that being Catholic would certainly be a step in that direction. After all she is a bastion Christ built for our protection. I guess one could ask if there is another direction. Here I would remind you of another of Christ's words, "
How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!" [Matthew 7:14]. Don't get lost in the weeds.
JoeT
Of course, as previously stated, "If everyone on earth was to become a Catholic, would they all go to heaven in the end because they became Catholic?" Is it that simple? Many claim to be Catholic, what are the qualifiers?Is there a question here?
The Apostles forwarded the Gospel of the Kingdom creating a movement of a counter-culture to the world of man, not a religion or religious institution aligned with the world.
Of course, as previously stated, "If everyone on earth was to become a Catholic, would they all go to heaven in the end because they became Catholic?" Is it that simple?
Many claim to be Catholic, what are the qualifiers?
I guess my question was not discernable, sorry. I am asking plainly for you to help me, what must I do to be a true Catholic and not one of those others as you so clearly identified? If being a true Catholic is how one get's into heaven, I need to know what that menas?It is a simple question that only requires one to know the mind of God. When I get there, I'll let you know. But, I did say "I doubt it"
Yes there are many faux Catholics, cafeteria Catholics, modernists and out and out traitor Catholics. Which means what?
JoeT
Paul locates peace with God only in justification, nowhere else.The authority lies in God's Truth. But, you would have 40,000 different realities of Jesus Christ who is "truth"?
Except in protest and schism. Do protests and schisms rule in truth?
Lagniappe. . .And this applies to our discussion how. . .?
.I guess my question was not discernible, sorry. I am asking plainly for you to help me, what must I do to be a true Catholic and not one of those others as you so clearly identified? If being a true Catholic is how one gets into heaven, I need to know what that means?
That answers the real question to the quiz, there are so many differing answers and it is hard to find the truth..
Its a journey, that begins in Baptism, justification, then proceeds to Christ's most perfect prayer, "Give us this day our supersubstantial bread." [Matthew 6:11] and on to the eternal live abiding in Christ [John 6:57] bound to perfection [Colossians 3:14] unto the end being in His perfection [Matthew 5:48] for its own sake in unending prayer.
That said, you'll have to forgive me for being skeptical, will we hear the real reason for quiz?
JoeT
I'm talking about very distinct differences in the root of faith itself.
If believing Protestantism and Catholicism is the same faith why then isn't everybody Catholic,
The difference is most profound in the concepts of "justification", the process of being perfected in the state of justice, which is all virtues.
“Justice is uprightness (rectitudo)-of-will kept for its own sake.” [St. Anselm, On Truth, 12]. Continuing St. Anselm said, “Justice is not rightness of knowledge or rightness of action but is rightness of will.” [St. Anselm, On Truth, 12]. Therefore, we plainly see justification is a movement or process of perfecting God’s Grace of a virtuous Justice wherein, says the Catechism of the Catholic Church, justification is "the sanctification of the whole being" [CCC 1995] which starts in Baptism as an effect of grace, re-introducing man to the mercy of God, weakening the original privation of justice making a new man who is 'born again' into the “rectitude of divine love”. [CCC 1991].
The Catholic concept of justification is an anathema to Protestantism as they receive justification, (sanctity and righteousness) by waving a magic wand saying, "I believe, therefore I am justified";
the magic of "believing".
Luther's pile of dung covered in a purely white snow should come to mind - the foulness of it all remains and somehow remains "righteous".
As I understand the Protestant use of the word "Christianity" usurps this principle for a seat in the Kingdom, akin to gate-crashers.
Protesting becomes "the faith", simply hidden under the guise of the word "Christianity".
Where Catholicism is aligning the will to the will of God, the Protestant world aligns the world to himself subjugating the will of God to the will of man.
I've come to view the true authority of Protestantism resides in the subjective reasoning of the intellect, that which is sanctioned from within. Of course an autonomous authority requires ‘freedom from’ morals as well as ‘freedom to’ implement proxy ethics independent of God’s will. Faith becomes a social construct based on the interior of the individual, changing from time to time depending on expediency. Being autonomous the intellect lacks the guidance and authority found in the Catholic Church.
Like the political variant, Liberalism, Protestantism becomes the program of rationalism; where “Free thought begets free morals, or immorality- Restraint is thrown off and a free rein given to the passions. WHOEVER THINKS WHAT HE PLEASES WILL DO WHAT HE PLEASES (sic).” [Don Felix Sarda y Salvany, "Liberalism Is a Sin"].
True, but not the 'redefined' liberal meaning of justification, rather a justification that is "uprightness (rectitudo)-of-will kept for its own sake."Paul locates peace with God only in justification, nowhere else.
How is Catholicism a special gift? The Catholic Church is the only True gift of God's mercy, she is herself a sacrament. The 40,000 others do not bring us to unity by virtue of their ever escalating numbers which belie their evil source.Lagniappe. . .
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