What denomination am I?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here's more to that effect:

Please see here: Mary | The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod

Also, this is a good, in-depth discussion: Luther's Theology of Mary

Can ya give us a short synopsis of it? Thanks

Btw, when is Luther's birthday so we can throw him a Birthday party like we did for Calvin ehehe

http://www.christianforums.com/t7382164-127/#post52293555

 

[Christos Anesti]

Invent your own theology and then find the Church that is closest in teaching to your own theological opinons... or start your own. <- Many people seem to think along those lines.

 

[bibleblevr]

If you're a full TULIP Calvinst, what could you possibly ask Mary to intercede about? God cannot change the pre-determined course of things just because someone asks. I mean He's omnipotent, but He's not that omnipotent.

Why pray at all then?

We pray because if we do, then from the beginning to time, God has looked forward in time and factored in our future payers, by forming his plan using them. If we don't pray, then God would not have looked forward in time and adjusted nothing.

 

[Mobiosity]

Non-denominational Christian - A house church might fit you well.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Invent your own theology and then find the Church that is closest in teaching to your own theological opinons... or start your own. <- Many people seem to think along those lines.

I am looking for a snazzy business card to get printed up for whatever church I start [or join]

click on my camera ehehehe

Originally Posted by tadoflamb

Other: You are a denomination unto yourself.

Now, the next thing to do is print some business cards, rent out an empty store front, and start collecting the checks!

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[Mobiosity]

If you're a full TULIP Calvinst, what could you possibly ask Mary to intercede about? God cannot change the pre-determined course of things just because someone asks. I mean He's omnipotent, but He's not that omnipotent.

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[bibleblevr]

Bear in mind that Luther's position on Mary and praying to the saints shifted as he aged. His early writings were very much colored by his background in Roman Catholicism, and he was a very conservative reformer after all. Later on he distanced himself and advised others to distance themselves from veneration of and asking for intercession by Mary and the saints.

Lutherans nowadays have a wide spectrum of beliefs regarding Mary, and as long as marian devotion doesn't take your focus off of Christ, there is a lot of room for freedom here.

Please see here: Mary | The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod

Also, this is a good, in-depth discussion: Luther's Theology of Mary

Ok, Mary i by no way my focus, and I would perfer a denomination that is not all about the veneration of Mary, but still holds her in very high regard. If there is freedom in the denomination as you desrbe, then I guess the Lutherans are back in the running.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ok, Mary i by no way my focus, and I would perfer a denomination that is not all about the veneration of Mary, but still holds her in very high regard. If there is freedom in the denomination as you desrbe, then I guess the Lutherans are back in the running.

What is your view of the PV of Mary? Would you join a Church that believes in that doctrine?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7400512/
Did Jesus have brothers and sisters born of Mary

 

[lighthouse_hope]

Invent your own theology and then find the Church that is closest in teaching to your own theological opinons... or start your own. <- Many people seem to think along those lines.

And what's the alternative?

 

[Tangible]

Can ya give us a short synopsis of it? Thanks

During the middle ages marian devotion and devotion to the saints had been developed to a very high degree. Jesus Christ was seen mostly as a harsh and condemning judge, and Mary and the saints provided loving and merciful intercession for those under the penalty of sin. Later, when Luther came along, he embraced the traditional RCC view of Mary.

After Luther's epiphany regarding salvation by faith alone, his concept of Christ greatly changed and the perceived need for other mediators and intercessors began to fade. As marian devotion was reexamined in light of reformation solas, several key marian dogmas began to seem less and less important in favor of an emphasis on the Cross of Christ.

While continuing to honor and uphold Mary as the Theokotos, the emphasis became more and more about the God she bore, rather than she who did the bearing. Though he ascribed sinlessness to her insofar a the conception of Christ, he came to reject Mary as being immaculately conceived herself and saw her as a fellow child of Adam who was just as badly in need of a Savior.

As to Mary's perpetual virginity, He came to regard it as a pious opinion which one might hold or not with no regard to one's salvation.

Regarding praying to Mary and the saints for intercession, the mature Luther is quoted as saying the following:

[FONT=&quot]I beseech in Christ that your preachers forbear entering upon questions concerning the saints in heaven and the deceased, and I ask you to turn the attention of people away from these matters in view of the fact&#8230;that they are neither profitable nor necessary for salvation. This is also reason why God decided not to let us know anything about His dealings with the deceased. Surely he is not committing a sin who does not call upon any saint but only clings firmly to the one mediator, Jesus Christ. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][52][/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]Take note of this: no one should put his trust or confidence in the Mother of God or in her merits, for such trust is worthy of God alone and is the lofty service due only to him. Rather praise and thank God through Mary and the grace given her. Laud and love her simply as the one who, without merit, obtained such blessings from God, sheerly out of his mercy, as she herself testifies in the Magnificat.[54]

[FONT=&quot]No one can deny that by such saint worship we have now come to the point where we have actually made utter idols of the Mother of God and the saints, and that because of the service we have rendered and the works we have performed in their honor we have sought comfort more with them than with Christ Himself. Thereby faith in Christ has been destroyed. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][58][/FONT]

Btw, when is Luther's birthday so we can throw him a Birthday party like we did for Calvin

Martin Luther &#8212; Date of Birth: November 10, 1483

 

[bibleblevr]

What is your view of the PV of Mary? Would you join a Church that believes in that doctrine?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7400512/
Did Jesus have brothers and sisters born of Mary

I have no real view on it, I lean slightly in that direction, but honestly, I see it as a minor point and don't much care ether way.

 

[Mobiosity]

And what's the alternative?

Why do you need an alternative?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have no real view on it, I lean slightly in that direction, but honestly, I see it as a minor point and don't much care ether way.

Thank you.
From what I know, the RCs and EOs [don't know about the OOs] do not look at it as minor point.

 

[ebia]

Virtually everything you've said would fall somewhere in the Anglican spectrum, whereas some of what you've said would be completely antithetical to Catholics.

really? do tell

You can find almost anything from the spectrum of Christian thinking somewhere amongst some Anglicans (including Transubstantiation), but you won't find TULIP accepted in Catholicism.

In what way?

I believe in transubstantiation, and as I understand it, the anglicians don't

Its a bit hard to define what Anglicans believe because we don't do things that way. As a whole Anglicans (like Calvin) believe in real presence. Some would go as far as Transubstantiation though most would consider it a meaningless attempt to nail down the mechanics of something that cannot be nailed down in that way.

I believe the 5-points of tulip, and agree with much of what Calvin taught, but my views are no where near identical.

Okay.

BTW I visited an Anglican church just last Sunday, (it was my first time in a non-Protestant church) I liked it pretty well.

Since we define ourselves by our liturgy - we are what we pray - that's a good start.

 

[lighthouse_hope]

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Why do you need an alternative?

I just like to see what are the alternatives available to determine what's truth, faith-wise.

 

[Ave Maria]

I voted for Other because your beliefs don't seem to fit in to any one specific denomination.

 

[Timothew]

I think that the baptist would kick me out of the church if I suggested that we pray to Mary

IDK

When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom, oh wait that's the Beatles

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I voted for Other because your beliefs don't seem to fit in to any one specific denomination.

Another RC other......interesting. So far we have only 1 RC here?

 

[tadoflamb]

Another RC other......interesting. So far we have only 1 RC here?

Speaking only for myself, I voted other because I don't want anyone converting to Catholicism unless they believe that the Catholic Church is who she says she is. The idea of finding a denomination that fits your beliefs seems foreign to me. For me, before I could claim the name Catholic, I had to make sure my beliefs conformed to those of the Church. I had to fit into the Catholic Church, not find a denomination that fits me.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Speaking only for myself, I voted other because I don't want anyone converting to Catholicism unless they believe that the Catholic Church is who she says she is. The idea of finding a denomination that fits your beliefs seems foreign to me. For me, before I could claim the name Catholic, I had to make sure my beliefs conformed to those of the Church. I had to fit into the Catholic Church, not find a denomination that fits me.

Then you still should have voted Catholic, since that is where you feel you "fit in"