CCWoody said:
I'm sorry, but you have missed the point. It is clearly not universally accepted that God is sadistic. That is the definition to which I refer.
No, I didn't miss the point, rather I covered my bases. I posted both the lexicography of the word "sadistic" AND made a supporting argument based upon that, and I further offered contingent explainations that don't require God to be sadistic.
You are, of course, free to make the attempt. Or you can continue to maintain that you will not attempt to prove anything that you say. It really doesn't matter. You see, I expect nonbelievers to actively hate the Lord.
You lie, sir. You are replying to a post which makes arguments that you claim to be asking for, yet you not only do not address them, but you insist that they were never made in the first place. You further continue on to insinuate that I hate "the lord" even though I have openly stated that I believe that, alas, no such being exists (though this was admittedly on another thread and it is possible that you did not see it).
You are operating (unless I misread your words quoted above) from prejudice rather than a desire for dialogue. This is unfortunate.
Like I said, you are free to make the claim that my theology doesn't square with Scriptures. I will simply repeat my assertion that your claims are denied out of hand and you are invited to try and prove your claims.
I have backed them up with argument - in fact, my first post in this thread contains a detailed list of different salvation plans found in the new testament, which I have subsequently reiterated. You seem far more interested in denying things out of hand when you do not wish to deal with them. That is your perrogative. Misrepresenting me is not your perrogative, however.
I don't really expect you to. I don't think you can.
I have. Whether or not it was a successful attempt remains the matter for discussion. However, since it seems that it's a matter that you do not wish to discuss, perhaps spending your day on things that do not annoy you as much as I would be more profitable for you.
It takes 2 to tango. Any time you spend slaggin of on this forum is time that you are not out spending feeding and clothing the needs, etc.
I have dealt with this in a previous post. Again you misrepresent me and ignore the answers I give.
BTW, I simply deny your attempt to paint me as not doing these things. You don't know me and to presume that you do is arrogant at best.
I didn't paint you directly as trying to do (or avoid doing) those things. If you feel you were caught out by implication, perhaps it is your conscience speaking, or a raw spot on your interpersonal radar, or sloppy wording on my part (or a combination of all three). What I fail to understand is that you dismissed it out of hand, and yet continue to bring it up.
It must be nice to be able to paint a picture of some people engaging in what you call a "spiritual matrubation" while pretending that you are not engaged in the same self-gratifying activities.
You just don't want to let go of the masturbation thing, do you? I already admitted that it may have been a poor choice of words, but regardless of what I say, you trot it out in every post you've made to me in this thread as some sort of personal slight.
Further, I have pretended nothing. When challenged on the matter, by you (and in a disingenuous fashion) I proffered a clarification, which you subsequently ignored.
You have proved yourself in this thread to be interested in agitation, not discussion. You represent the Christian (even the Calvanist) view poorly, if at all, preferring to pile innuendo and insult upon your opponent when said opponent answers your accuasations directly. You have behaved in a doggedly self-righteous fashion, never once considering that you might be wrong in matters of form if not of content (by contrast, I have admitted to error on several occasions and have backed off from two more dramatic rehtorical flourishes). You are - by your own admission - operating from prejudice.
Such tactics must be gratifying when they get a rise out of people. It doesn't work with me, as must be terribly clear to you after so many exchanges over three threads in the last 3 days. Perhaps you should go pick on someone a little smaller - - or, if you prefer, engage in a substantive discussion.
I will not respond further to posts of yours that do not address the debate matters at hand, but I will gladly engage you on any substantive issue, if only for the entertainment of the others watching this thread.
-Lokmer
