What Day Of The Week Is The Sabbath?

[DeaconDean]

No offesnse friend, but you watch, and others here will back me up, watch the fuss this question will generate. This question has been asked at least 6 times over the last year and very heated debates ensue shortly thereafter. I'm going to stay neutral, or rather, with past experience, I'm staying out of this one. God Bless you and your quest.

It's ALIVE!, IT'S ALIVE!!!!


The debate is still going with no end in sight. See, what did I tell you.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Worship is daily but I rest one day a week.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The OT Sabbath (Saturday) prefigures the day Christ laid in the grave. (resting)

We worship the Risen Christ, just the way the Apostles did when they saw him that first Sunday after his death.

That is how Sunday became the official day of worship in The Church.

The Sabbath is Saturday.

Forgive me...

 

[holo]

No we don't.

I have a problem with non adventist telling other people they know what our doctrine is. Why not just go to the source and quote.

I should have been more specific. I was referring to SDA members, and more specifically, the SDA members I've met. They hold EGWs writings to be equal to the bible (this is official SDA doctrine if I'm not mistaken). Anyway, one of them says God will actually kill me for eating bacon. And in any case, demanding your kid do something special on one day of the week and not accepting him doing it another day, and deny him something because he just can't see the logic behind it... no, that's not the way any of you would treat your children. You don't know what God's will really is, because you, as most christians, see Him, yourselves and life in general, as first and foremost a moral thing.

 

[tall73]

The OT Sabbath (Saturday) prefigures the day Christ laid in the grave. (resting)

We worship the Risen Christ, just the way the Apostles did when they saw him that first Sunday after his death.

That is how Sunday became the official day of worship in The Church.

The Sabbath is Saturday.

Forgive me...

There is evidence that even you have posted in an article that they were in fact keeping Sabbath for some time until they were expelled form the synagogures. At what point they also started keeping Sunday (for they kept both for many years) is a question mark.

There is only one text that speaks of Sunday worship in the Scriptures, apart from the actual resurrection accounts, and that was a night meeting when Paul was about to travel.

As for early documents you would be into the early second century before you get a definite statement about the first day being kept, and then you get a variety of reasons for it.

 

[winslow]

They hold EGWs writings to be equal to the bible (this is official SDA doctrine if I'm not mistaken)

You are mistaken.

1. The Holy Scriptures:
The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God's acts in history. (2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; Ps. 119:105; Prov. 30:5, 6; Isa. 8:20; John 17:17; 1 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 4:12.)

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html


Seventh-day Adventists hold the Protestant position that the Bible and the Bible only is the sole rule of faith and practice for Christians. We believe that all theological beliefs must be measured by the living Word, judged by its truth, and whatsoever is unable to pass this test, or is found to be out of harmony with its message, is to be rejected.

True Christianity receives the word of God as the great treasure house of inspired truth and the test of all inspiration.—The Great Controversy, p. 193.

We are to receive God's word as supreme authority.—Testimonies, vol. 6, p. 402.

In our time there is a wide departure from their [the Scriptures'] doctrines and precepts, and there is need of a return to the great Protestant principle—the Bible, and the Bible only, as the rule of faith and duty.—The Great Controversy, pp. 204, 205.

http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/qod/q02.htm

 

[tall73]

I should have been more specific. I was referring to SDA members, and more specifically, the SDA members I've met. They hold EGWs writings to be equal to the bible (this is official SDA doctrine if I'm not mistaken). Anyway, one of them says God will actually kill me for eating bacon. And in any case, demanding your kid do something special on one day of the week and not accepting him doing it another day, and deny him something because he just can't see the logic behind it... no, that's not the way any of you would treat your children. You don't know what God's will really is, because you, as most christians, see Him, yourselves and life in general, as first and foremost a moral thing.

Actually you are mistaken. EGW herself was quite clear that she was not to be put on a level with the Bible. But again, this is not the EGW thread, this is the Sabbath thread. And there are hundreds of groups that keep the Sabbath.

Nor have you substantiated that we are going to subject people to punishment as you first said. That was the issue that was being addressed by ThreeAM. Care to clarify what you meant by that?

Was the part about the bacon the part you meant?

a. killing is hardly worse than eternal hell, which many would consign us to for not adhering to their beliefs.

b. There is no official Adventist teaching that bacon sends one to hell.

do we have legalists among us? Some. Does that mean that taking seriously something that we believe God has asked makes us legalists? No.

 

[Wandering_Raven]

According to the OT, those who have reported it to be Saturday are correct. It's even hinted at in the Romantic Languages (sabbato -from Shabbat) And as others have reported, the Day was switched to Sunday for various reasons.

But in truth, whether you keep the sabbath or not is up to you - Jesus Himself reported that "the Sabbath was made for man" - that we might have a regular break from labour, and that others may do so as well. If people choose to work on Sunday, it is their choice - so long as one is not forced to work. and if your work does not permit you to have Sunday/Saturday off, but gives you another day, then why not use that as your day for rest?

Schooling and fellowship should happen on other days than just the Sabbath - otherwise you run the risk of stagnating in your relationship with God.

 

[ThreeAM]

I don't do it man's way but rather God's way. The bible says not to let anyone judge you by what day you celebrate the sabbath. Therefore I keep sunday as a sabbath and try to keep the entire week for God.

God's way is to keep the 7th day HOLY

Exo. 20: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Christians with true faith in Christ will also be obedient.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Many people are learning which denominations are more into legalism than others. Its an eye-opening for me at least. I always respected SDA and have fellowship with Christians who are within the denomination. I just didn't realized how zealous some members are.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The Gentiles were not expected to keep the OT laws..... ACTS 15:19-28.

Forgive me....

 

[ThreeAM]

I should have been more specific. I was referring to SDA members, and more specifically, the SDA members I've met. They hold EGWs writings to be equal to the bible (this is official SDA doctrine if I'm not mistaken). Anyway, one of them says God will actually kill me for eating bacon. And in any case, demanding your kid do something special on one day of the week and not accepting him doing it another day, and deny him something because he just can't see the logic behind it... no, that's not the way any of you would treat your children. You don't know what God's will really is, because you, as most christians, see Him, yourselves and life in general, as first and foremost a moral thing.

Oh please *Rolls Eyes* And this has what to do with the OP? Come on this post is on the same level as gosip. Like I said if you have a issue with SDA's that is relavent to the OP then at least post something from our official beliefs on the issue. Don't pretend you know what our doctrine is then when pressed for facts say "well I knew and Adventist who believed ...yada...yada...yada..."

 

[BrightCandle]

Many people are learning which denominations are more into legalism than others. Its an eye-opening for me at least. I always respected SDA and have fellowship with Christians who are within the denomination. I just didn't realized how zealous some members are.

You can find legalistic characters in every church, it is not a symptom of doctrine, but more of a heart issue. What is shocking is how little emphasis in churches here in the USA, when it comes to obediance to God's holy law. What we see in general nowadays in the world of Christianity is not the faith that Jesus had, but a watered down and compromised form of Christianity, hence the general disregard of God's Law. SDAs are one of the few denominations that in doctrine and practise, by the power of the Holy Spirit, "walk the walk, and not just talk the talk."

 

[BrightCandle]

The point is, which day of the week it is doesn't matter. Can you imagine God throwing a fit in Heaven that His children are observing the rest day on a "SUNDAY" instead of a "SATURDAY"?


*rolls eyes*

Remember again. The literal Israelite Law was for Israelites ONLY.

Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden for eating an apple that God said not to eat. Lucifer and a third of the angels were thrown out of heaven for their rebellion in heaven. Just like we have laws in our nation, the USA, so does God have a law, the holy Ten Commamdments, that were written by the very finger of God himself. Willful and premeditated transgression of that law, including the Sabbath, is sin. The first day of the week is not part of God's holy law, while the 7th day of the week is. That is the issue my friend.

 

[ThreeAM]

Many people are learning which denominations are more into legalism than others. Its an eye-opening for me at least. I always respected SDA and have fellowship with Christians who are within the denomination. I just didn't realized how zealous some members are.

Jim in the past you have quoted Cor 2:16 and applied it to the 7th day sabbath.

If your interpretation is correct would it not be true that you judging others as legalist because of their belief that God asks us to keep the Sabbath holy???? Is not your judging others over the sabbath what Paul condems by your interpretation of Col. 2:16

Legalism is anyone who thinks their personal behavior earns their way into heaven. If I go to heaven it will be BECAUSE of my faith in Christ and His victory over sin for me and nothing more. People should keep the sabbath because they love God and wish to do what he has asked us to do. The SDA church does not believe that Sabbath observance will earn your way into heaven. People are saved by faith in Christ alone. True Christians choose to change their behavior as the become more aware of what God's wants in our life. Most avoid stealing, murder, lieing, cooveting, profaning God's name, adultery,...etc. Are they legalists also or do they just want to please God by changing their behavior????

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

[ThreeAM]

The Gentiles were not expected to keep the OT laws..... ACTS 15:19-28.

Forgive me....

Context Context Context

So does your interpretation of Acts 15 mean we can lie, steal, murder, comitt adultery, covet, take the Lord's name in vain. Are you saying the Ten Commandments have been done away with??? Or was the subject here in Acts ceremonial laws like sacrifices and circumcission which were done away with Christ's ultimate sacrifice.

 

[Tavita]

I'd like to know what day of the week is the Sabbath and I don't want to hear the seventh day. Is it Saturday?

Very simply, Saturday is the Sabbath, it's never been changed. Those who choose another day or Sunday will say Saturday is still the Sabbath.

 

[ThreeAM]

The OT Sabbath (Saturday) prefigures the day Christ laid in the grave. (resting)

We worship the Risen Christ, just the way the Apostles did when they saw him that first Sunday after his death.

That is how Sunday became the official day of worship in The Church.

The Sabbath is Saturday.

Forgive me...

If you read the 4th commandment it tells you EXACTLY the reason the Sabbath was given. Before sin ever entered this world it was given as a Memorial to our Creator and the creation of this world. Nothing about the crucifxion and resurrection changes the fact that God created Man and this world.



Exd 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[tall73]

Many people are learning which denominations are more into legalism than others. Its an eye-opening for me at least. I always respected SDA and have fellowship with Christians who are within the denomination. I just didn't realized how zealous some members are.

and in the same way someone could replace the term legalism with the term antinomianism or licesnse, etc. and make statements about other churches.

But the problem is it still doesn't answer the question of whether the Sabbath has a valid place today to make such statements. It is your opinion that we are legalistic. Based on what? That we believe the Sabbath is still valid? If it is valid then we are hardly legalistic. And obedience is not legalism. Trying to be saved by the law is legalism.

If you have a post that presents evidence then give it. If you just want to make emotional statements that call us legalists then you contribute nothing factual to the conversation.. You are just taking away from the factual discussion of whether the day has any meaning.

 

[TheDag]

You worship on Sunday? Good, that is God's way, He wants us to worship Him constantly.

You keep Sunday as Sabbath? That is not God's way, we learn from Genesis that it is on Saturday, and we learn from Malachi that God is unchanging.

The verse about not letting anyone judge you in Sabbath day is talking about not letting anyone condemn you for keeping them. That is keeping them the way God wants them kept. It is not talking about changing it, it says do it without regard for people condemning you.

It also says not to let people judge you for which day you celebrate.