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What Darwin has done to the world...

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That is what I said the origin of a Life has not been figured out, Darwin just did species to species

That's a pretty big "just", being the unifying theory of all
biology.
Probably the most significant theory of all time, to date.
And a source of vast confusion and hysteria for some
religious sorts,
 
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Surely no proof star dust was a agent.
That's a pretty big "just", being the unifying theory of all
biology.
Probably the most significant theory of all time, to date.
And a source of vast confusion and hysteria for some
religious sorts,

It’s just a needle in a field of hay stacks, got to get to star dust proof
 
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The hallmark of science is "know you lane". Darwin assembled a theorertical frame work to describe the development of species from other species based on his observations an the observations of others. His book is not a text on genetics or the origin of life. (Since he had no evidence related to those and no theory of either.)

I've wondered if life might not be spontaneously
originating every day in certain few places on earth,
but the inept little blobs don't have a chance against
advanced life forms and just get eaten.
 
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Surely no proof star dust was a agent.


It’s just a needle in a field of hay stacks, got to get to star dust proof

Your hypermetaphorication is too much for my lil
intellect.
Prease exprain in simple talk.
 
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Your hypermetaphorication is too much for my lil
intellect.
Prease exprain in simple talk.

The book doesn’t cover origin first life and how it formed that’s all I am saying, does it go into the molecular levels the first
 
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The claim that Darwinism is directly responsible for both Marxism and Nazism, along with all the other things you've tried unsuccessfully to link to it.

All you have to do is look at their philosophical underpinnings. You can ask questions like who they credit for their ideas and what their ideas were originally based on.

Karl Marx dedicated Das Kapital to Charles Darwin, and sought to explain human history and the class struggle in light of Darwinian evolution. Do you know what dialectical materialism even is?

Marxists are more than happy to credit Darwin for their views on history and human society:

Marx and Engels...and Darwin?
The essential connection between historical materialism and natural selection
Marx and Engels...and Darwin? | International Socialist Review

And do you know what eugenics and social Darwinism are, which ultimately led to Nazi ideology? Do you see any connection whatsoever between eugenics and the following passage from Darwin's Descent of Man?

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”
― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man
The Descent of Man Quotes by Charles Darwin

Perhaps Nazis got the idea that evolution supports white supremacy by actually reading what Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:

Although best known for On the Origin of Species, Darwin does not address human evolution and race until his 1871 book, The Descent of Man, in which Darwin applies his theories of natural selection to humans and introduces the idea of sexual selection. Here his white supremacism is revealed. Over the course of the book, Darwin describes Australians, Mongolians, Africans, Indians, South Americans, Polynesians, and even Eskimos as “savages:” It becomes clear that he considers every population that is not white and European to be savage. The word savage is disdainful, and Darwin constantly elevates white Europeans above the savages. Darwin explains that the “highest races and the lowest savages” differ in “moral disposition … and in intellect” (36). The idea that white people are more intelligent and moral persists throughout. At one point, Darwin says that savages have “low morality,” “insufficient powers of reasoning,” and “weak power of self-command” (97). Darwin’s specific consideration of intellectual capacities is especially alarming. He begins with animals: “No one supposes that one of the lower animals reflects whence he comes or whither he goes,—what is death or what is life, and so forth” (62). His remarks soon expand to humans. “How little can the hard-worked wife of a degraded Australian savage, who uses hardly any abstract words and cannot count above four, exert her self-consciousness, or reflect on the nature of her own existence” (62). Darwin writes that Australians are incapable of complex thought, and insinuates that they are akin to lower animals: His perspective on non-European races is incredibly prejudiced and absurd. Modern evolutionary scholars and teachers tend to ignore or omit that component of Darwin’s theory, but it hasn’t gone completely unnoticed. For example, Rutledge Dennis examined Darwin’s role in scientific racism for The Journal of Negro Education and found that in Darwin’s world view, “talent and virtue were features to be identified solely with Europeans” (243). White supremacy is clearly embedded in The Descent of Man, regardless of Darwin’s brilliance or the accuracy of the rest of his theory.

Darwin makes a disturbing link between his belief in white supremacy and his theory of natural selection. He justifies violent imperialism. “From the remotest times successful tribes have supplanted other tribes. … At the present day civilised nations are everywhere supplanting barbarous nations” (160). Darwin’s theory applies survival of the fittest to human races, suggesting that extermination of non-white races is a natural consequence of white Europeans being a superior and more successful race. Further, Darwin justifies violently overtaking other cultures because it has happened regularly throughout natural history. The arc of Darwin’s evolutionary universe evidently does not bend toward justice: He has no problem with continuing the vicious behavior of past generations. Claims such as those made evident in the title of a 2004 book, “From Darwin to Hitler,” may not be as alarmist as they seem.

Not only does Darwin believe in white supremacy, he offers a biological explanation for it, namely that white people are further evolved. He writes that the “western nations of Europe … now so immeasurably surpass their former savage progenitors and stand at the summit of civilization” (178). Darwin imagines that Europeans are more advanced versions of the rest of the world. As previously mentioned, this purported superiority justified to Darwin the domination of inferior races by Europeans. As white Europeans “exterminate and replace” the world’s “savage races,” and as great apes go extinct, Darwin says that the gap between civilized man and his closest evolutionary ancestor will widen. The gap will eventually be between civilized man “and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla” (201). Read that last line again if you missed it: Darwin’s theory claims that Africans and Australians are more closely related to apes than Europeans are. The spectrum of organisms is a hierarchy here, with white Europeans at the top and apes at the bottom. In Darwin’s theory, colored people fall somewhere in between. Modern human is essentially restricted only to white Europeans, with all other races viewed as somehow sub-human.
The Dark Side of Darwinism | Philosophy for the Many

Why is it so hard to accept the fact that Darwin's theory of evolution has resulted in negative historical consequences? Was Darwin some sort of saint whose theory could do no wrong?

No one in this thread has actually disproved that the ideologies presented in my OP were inspired by or based on Darwin's ideas.
 
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All you have to do is look at their philosophical underpinnings. You can ask questions like who they credit for their ideas and what their ideas were originally based on.

Karl Marx dedicated Das Kapital to Charles Darwin, and sought to explain human history and the class struggle in light of Darwinian evolution. Do you know what dialectical materialism even is?

And do you know what eugenics and social Darwinism are, which ultimately led to Nazi ideology? Do you see any connection whatsoever between eugenics and the following passage from Darwin's Descent of Man?



Perhaps Nazis got the idea that evolution supports white supremacy by actually reading what Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:



Why is it so hard to accept the fact that Darwin's theory of evolution has resulted in negative historical consequences? Was Darwin some sort of saint whose theory could do no wrong?

"All you have to do" is your key phase.

Do you know the word "facile"?
 
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Why is it so hard to accept the fact that Darwin's theory of evolution has resulted in negative historical consequences? Was Darwin some sort of saint whose theory could do no wrong?

Because notions of racial superiority didn't exist before Darwin came along, amirite?
 
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Because racism didn't exist before Darwin came along, amirite?

We're not talking about racism in a general sense. Nazism is a specific instance of racism that was largely based on the ideas of Charles Darwin. It's as simple as looking at the words of the Nazis and comparing them to the words of Darwin. The Nazis claimed that they were putting Darwin's ideas into practice, which isn't hard to believe when you look at what Darwin actually wrote.
 
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I have a degree in American history. I wouldn't make the following historical claims without first researching them:

Marxism, which was responsible for the deaths of over a 100 million people in the 20th century, was largely based on the ideas of Charles Darwin, as was Nazism, which led to the deaths of six million Jews and many others.

The theory which Darwin unleashed in the world has also been largely responsible for eugenics, Freudian psychology, LGBT ideology, modernist theology, etc., which all have led to needless suffering and the corrosion of Western civilization.

Marxism's rejection of God and its theory of dialectical materialism was based on Darwin, as was Nazism's belief that the so-called "master race" must survive by eliminating the "unfit".

Eugenics originated in Darwin's lifetime, and was taught by Darwin's cousin, Francis Galton, as the application of the survival of the fittest to social policy.

Freudian psychology's rejection of the soul as the essence of man's being, and it's rejection of religion as purely the result of natural forces, rather than divine revelation, was inspired by Darwin.

LGBT ideology, the belief that it's morally acceptable to change our gender and have sexual relations with the same sex, is based rejecting the belief that God had a specific intent in creating male and female.

Modernist theology, with its rejection of Jesus' miracles, including His resurrection, and the atoning sacrifice of Christ as the means of our salvation, began with the rejection of Genesis as a historical account due to Darwin's theory of evolution.

Whether you like it or not, these are all things that historically happened. No one in this thread, so far, has actually disproved the above historical observations.

If you don't even know what dialectical materialism is, for example, then you probably don't know its basis in Darwin's ideas.
 
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We all know that.

So basically there is two thoughts to the beginning of life one from ID and the other no ID.

neither can go back far enough to prove one or the other is correct with physical evidence I find it humorous
 
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We're not talking about racism in a general sense. Nazism is a specific instance of racism that was largely based on the ideas of Charles Darwin. It's as simple as looking at the words of the Nazis and comparing them to the words of Darwin. The Nazis claimed that they were putting Darwin's ideas into practice, which isn't hard to believe when you look at what Darwin actually wrote.

The origins of Nazism is quite complicated and like many socio-political movements can't be boiled down to a singular influence. It's true that some of the ideas that formed the Völkisch movement were influenced by Darwin's writings, but the overall rise of Nazism had numerous contributing factors including the political status of Germany following WW1 and economic depression that followed.

Also of note is that ideas of racial or cultural superiority in European society predated Darwin. Just looking at the history of European colonialism speaks volumes to that. Darwin didn't exist in a vacuum.

Plus, Alfred Wallace also came up with the idea of natural selection around the same time Darwin did. Darwin just happened to get all the credit. Even if Darwin never existed, the idea of natural selection as a major mechanism of biological evolution would still have come forth. That idea was not unique to Darwin.
 
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So basically there is two thoughts to the beginning of life one from ID and the other no ID.

neither can go back far enough to prove one or the other is correct with physical evidence I find it humorous

You think there is some sort of equivalence?
That's vaguely amuding but more sad than funny.
 
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Do you also have a degree in biology? Because that would be a little more relevant in terms of Darwin's ideas re: evolution.

An AA in history from Sheetrock State bible school, v a MA
from Berkeley is also relevant.

Usually history is a sideline for the basketball coach at a high school.
 
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You think there is some sort of equivalence?
That's vaguely amuding but more sad than funny.

It does, the going theory is life on earth started from star dust that cannot be verified.

the origin of life on earth is a hypothesis up to this point in the evolution of life.
 
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It does, the going theory is life on earth started from star dust that cannot be verified.

the origin of life on earth is a hypothesis up to this point in the evolution of life.

There is no such theory about the origin of life.

There is no theory of the origin of life.
If there ever is, it won't be what you said.

You treat theory and hypothesis as if they were the same thing.

So much that's completely wrong in just a few words.

Don't you see you are out of your league?
 
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There is no such theory about the origin of life.

There is no theory of the origin of life.
If there ever is, it won't be what you said.

You treat theory and hypothesis as if they were the same thing.

So much that's completely wrong in just a few words.

Don't you see you are out of your league?

Some people say there was no intelligent design in nature.

Yet they say that standing on the six step of a latter of life and saying see there is no intelligent design in nature regardless if they themselves have not even reached the bottom of the latter the very roots of the tree the dirt that surrounds them the water that feeds them
 
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I have a degree in American history. I wouldn't make the following historical claims without first researching them

Better credentialled historians than you have made similarly bad claims about linking Darwin to Nazism and Marxism.

Perhaps you've been reading Richard Weikart? Or David Berlinski?

Was Darwin an influential thinker? Yes. Did his thinking have an impact on Marx and Hitler. Yes. But not nearly to the extent you're trying to paint.

However, was Darwin a "false prophet and that his theory of evolution was a false teaching"? Clearly no. Were Nazism and Marxism "clearly based" on Darwinian evolution. Clearly no
 
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