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I think so...normal persons go see this stuff?
Anyway, thanks.
Will watch it on my TV.
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LOLSo what if he asked the audience. Do you think that there were any there?
It has clips from Tour and explanations of how he had to know that he was lying.
I agree.I barely skimmed that video and saw that question. There were none in the audience. What Tour did was quite often an argument from ignorance. He could not understand how a particular step occurred so he assumed it was impossible. He does not seem to realize that the works that he was criticizing went through peer review. That means that at least some of the people that checked it had the knowledge that he thinks he holds a patent on. The processes were explained in a way that did not violate chemistry. Then after publication the same works would have been checked by countless other scholars. If they saw flaws they would have brought them up.
Tell me, if Tour is so sure that he is correct why doesn't he approach this properly? One does not do science in front of a an audience of lay people and then claim "There! I disproved it.". If Tour was so sure of himself he would refute the papers by publishing papers himself in well respected peer reviewed scientific journals. That is how one does real science. That he did not is rather damning.
There are things that exist just because something lead to their existence, like an apple or the universe.Re-read what you just wrote. It's internally inconsistent. By stating there is a first cause, it automatically means "not everything requires a cause."
There are things that exist just because something lead to their existence, like an apple or the universe.
There are things that exist by the necessity of their own nature, like numbers, asbstract ideas and God.
Hey OldWiseGuy,You have to put the whole story together from various places in the bible. For example, the serpent/devil/Lucifer was telling Eve to do the same things that it had done in the original rebellion, that is to take what one sees and desires over revelation (God's words). Snakes don't do that.
Eve was created from the 'substance' of Adam, not from the dust of the ground, just as Lucifer was specially created, and clearly was superior to the other angels. The (re)creation of the (surface of) earth and that of man mirrors the creation of the original Eden and that of the angels. And implicit in that are worlds of understanding about our nature and history.
Yes, all of the time. Odds are that it was a church group that paid for that talk. It is unsurprising that there was not anyone that could refute him there. My main complaint with most creationists is that they are not looking for answers, they are looking for excuses to believe. If the answers tell them that they are wrong they do not seem to want to hear them.LOL
I think so...normal persons go see this stuff?
Anyway, thanks.
Will watch it on my TV.
Because its possible for the universe not to exist.Why couldn't the universe be in that second category?
There are things that exist just because something lead to their existence, like an apple or the universe.
There are things that exist by the necessity of their own nature, like numbers, asbstract ideas and God.
Abstract idea cannot cause anything.How does one determine that god is not an abstract idea?
I agree with your time,,,I've heard the same.You do not seem to understand, having a deity does not answer any more questions. It only raises new ones. It has no explanatory powers.
And no, science can go back only so far before the sciences as we know them break down. The last I saw they can calculate to roughly 10^-43 seconds after the Big Bang. Before that is a big unknown. I just watched a physicist explaining that yesterday. I don't know if I could find that. But he si not the only one that I have heard make that claim. He pointed out that there are speculations about the time before that, but that is what they are at this point. Mostly speculation.
Or he could have been the Satan of the Old Testament--God's left-hand man, a trickster as he was in the story of Job. Like the Coyote of Southwest Native American mythology or Loki in the Norse pantheon.Hey OldWiseGuy,
I love the story of Adam and Eve and am most willing to learn anything new about it. There is so much to glean from the story.
But, this just isn't the place....
I'm confused to tell you the truth....
Was the snake an angel that became a snake?
Do we not know what it was?
I DO understand that the snake represented evil in those times...
Can you prove that?Then it is also possible for numbers and abstract ideas to not exist.
I agree with your time,,,I've heard the same.
Maybe having a deity doesn't answer questions and creates more, but we shouldn't be lazy about it and not consider it.
I honestly don't understand why science seems to bent on not considering God at all. Science always took God's existance, or I should say the existance of a God, into consideration until maybe the past couple of hundred years. Newton believed in a god.
BTW, we know about gravity, but we still don't know WHAT IT IS or HOW it works. We only know that it exists.
Science does not have all the anwers.
Yet God does not figure in his theories.I agree with your time,,,I've heard the same.
Maybe having a deity doesn't answer questions and creates more, but we shouldn't be lazy about it and not consider it.
I honestly don't understand why science seems to bent on not considering God at all. Science always took God's existance, or I should say the existance of a God, into consideration until maybe the past couple of hundred years. Newton believed in a god.
Nor does it claim to. In particular it does not claim that there is no God.BTW, we know about gravity, but we still don't know WHAT IT IS or HOW it works. We only know that it exists.
Science does not have all the anwers.
If God did not cause anything, we would not exist, because we have to have a cause.So? It has not been determined that god has caused anything. It is merely an assertion.
Can you prove that?
Universe and abstract ideas are different categories. The universe is physical. Abstract ideas are not.I'm merely following your lead. If it is possible for the universe to not exist, then it is possible for abstract ideas to not exist...because there would be nobody to think them.
Universe and abstract ideas are different categories. The universe is physical. Abstract ideas are not.
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