What Convinced you God Exists?

[Tinker Grey]

In the name of Jesus Christ I rebuke all kinds. Always in His name. Never as a mortal. There is nothing hilarious about it. Why is that funny? So you are not a Christian? What is your purpose here?

What has my purpose to do with anything?

Why is rebuking funny? Because it's like threatening to kick someone in one's aura.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

I believe it because Jesus told us so and Jesus is not a liar. He knew no sin.

How did Jesus tell us, the bible? How do you know Jesus is not a liar?

I am not apt to believe that the oldest most sacred book in the world is full of lies. There is no way. Call it faith but I think for a book that has been in existence for 4000 years, or even 2000, for us in our measly what 40 year existence maybe 50 who are we to doubt it?

How does a book being old related to the truth of it? If I can find writings that are older than the biblical writings, which there are, does that make them more likely to be true?

We do not know as much as we are so arrogant about knowing. Our lifetime is infantile. I do not doubt the Bible or the Lord Jesus Christ.

I agree that we don't know much about all there s to know, but I think we should have good reasons for our beliefs and saying I believe a book is true because it is old is not a good reason for belief.

I rebuke anyone who does. That is the spirit of antichrist.

I doubt the bible is true now what does you rebuking me do?

 

[mindlight]

Atheism does not explain anything. It is just a non belief in any gods.

In the case of these three types of atheism, there was an attempt to explain things: Nietzsche- power; Marxism-ideological; Liberal Scientific atheism- choice and scientism. All of these explanations were inadequate and fell apart on close examination.

It seems like since ytou did not find the answers you were looking for that Christianity was a default? Non of these reasons you states is good evidence that Christianity is true.

Christianity does have answers to the main questions, has historical credibility, has a coherence between multiple witnesses, includes miracles and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It has the most adequate explanation of the human condition, its problem, and the mechanisms of redemption.

 

[Jaxxi]

What has my purpose to do with anything?

Why is rebuking funny? Because it's like threatening to kick someone in one's aura.

Hardly and you don't rebuke humans anyways. What does your purpose have to do with anything? Well it has a lot to do with your intentions for coming onto a Christian Forum, and what kind of an attitude you will be coming at us with. Is it friendly, brotherly, mocking, condescending, curious, condemning, etc.? Your purpose will reveal your mission and reason.

 

[Jaxxi]

How did Jesus tell us, the bible? How do you know Jesus is not a liar?

How does a book being old related to the truth of it? If I can find writings that are older than the biblical writings, which there are, does that make them more likely to be true?

I agree that we don't know much about all there s to know, but I think we should have good reasons for our beliefs and saying I believe a book is true because it is old is not a good reason for belief.

I doubt the bible is true now what does you rebuking me do?

For one it keeps the demonic presence thar is surrounding your inability to accept the Bible as truth from attaching itself to me. The Bible is not out to prove anything. If you reject it that is your ignorance to deal with. I believe in the Bible as truth because( not being old) but because it prophesies exact precise events that are coming true before our eyes. Biblical events have been proven to be accurate and how dare you use the name of Jesus Christ and the word liar in the same sentence. You honestly would ask that and can still look into your own eyes in the mirror? How? Next time you look into your eyes in the mirror, imagine you are looking into the eyes of the demon who will be horrifying you in hell and when you see him....and you scream for Jesus, remember that you called Him a liar.......

may the Lord have mercy on your soul...

 

[Tinker Grey]

Hardly and you don't rebuke humans anyways. What does your purpose have to do with anything? Well it has a lot to do with your intentions for coming onto a Christian Forum, and what kind of an attitude you will be coming at us with. Is it friendly, brotherly, mocking, condescending, curious, condemning, etc.? Your purpose will reveal your mission and reason.

I was a Christian when I came here. I stayed for the conversation.

You said this:

I believe it because Jesus told us so and Jesus is not a liar. He knew no sin. I am not apt to believe that the oldest most sacred book in the world is full of lies. There is no way. Call it faith but I think for a book that has been in existence for 4000 years, or even 2000, for us in our measly what 40 year existence maybe 50 who are we to doubt it? We do not know as much as we are so arrogant about knowing. Our lifetime is infantile. I do not doubt the Bible or the Lord Jesus Christ. I rebuke anyone who does. That is the spirit of antichrist.

{Bold added}

Are we not human?

 

[Tinker Grey]

For one it keeps the demonic presence thar is surrounding your inability to accept the Bible as truth from attaching itself to me. The Bible is not out to prove anything. If you reject it that is your ignorance to deal with. I believe in the Bible as truth because( not being old) but because it prophesies exact precise events that are coming true before our eyes. Biblical events have been proven to be accurate and how dare you use the name of Jesus Christ and the word liar in the same sentence. You honestly would ask that and can still look into your own eyes in the mirror? How? Next time you look into your eyes in the mirror, imagine you are looking into the eyes of the demon who will be horrifying you in hell and when you see him....and you scream for Jesus, remember that you called Him a liar.......

may the Lord have mercy on your soul...

You have no arguments for your position. You just come here and claim it's obvious. Then you resort to threats. AND misrepresented your interlocutor. @Clizby WampusCat did NOT say Jesus was a liar. He ASKED you how you know he isn't.

Perhaps a sub-forum set aside for Christians to defend their faith is not for you.

(And, BTW, this is how a rebuke works.)

 

[Jaxxi]

I was a Christian when I came here. I stayed for the conversation.

You said this:
{Bold added}

Are we not human?

Yes YOU are human. The spirit of antichrist is not.
Then entered Satan into Judas, surnamed Iscariot, being one of the twelve. Luke 22:3

Therefore with demonic entities being able to enter into us so easily, much of what we deal with in humans is not " human". A woman here in Phoenix got into an argument with her husband. She went to sleep and he went to sleep in his car. When she woke up, her 9 and 7 yr. Old children were unrecognizable from use of a meat cleaver. She does not remember doing it. I do not believe a sane human woman could do this to her children. Demons could. If you don't mind me asking, why would you come here as a Christian and quit believing in Jesus Christ? Don't you love Him anymore?

 

[Jaxxi]

You have no arguments for your position. You just come here and claim it's obvious. Then you resort to threats. AND misrepresented your interlocutor. @Clizby WampusCat did NOT say Jesus was a liar. He ASKED you how you know he isn't.

Perhaps a sub-forum set aside for Christians to defend their faith is not for you.

(And, BTW, this is how a rebuke works.)

I presented arguments for my position. Did you not read the post? The prophesies within the Bible that have come true is a reason to believe in the Bible. What we could not predict 10 years from now was predicted 2000 years ago and it is right on point. I did not post any threats. I gave him advice
How do you get a threat out of that? We will all die and find ourselves somewhere regardless of what we believe. Asking someone how they know someone else is not a liar is projecting that they doubt a persons truth otherwise it would not be asked. You come on here with your accusations of my making threats when that never happened. I am wise to your word games and how you distort what someone says to cry wolf. Your tactics are outdated and obvious.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

In the case of these three types of atheism, there was an attempt to explain things: Nietzsche- power; Marxism-ideological; Liberal Scientific atheism- choice and scientism. All of these explanations were inadequate and fell apart on close examination.

Yet what was explaining things was not their atheism but their ideas. Marxism is not derived from atheism, Nietzche's ideas are not derived from atheism, Liberal Scientific atheism (whatever that is) is probably derived from science and not atheism. Atheism cannot explain anything. It is defined as a disbelief in a god or gods. How can that explain anything? Just like my disbelief in big foot. How can that explain anything?

Christianity does have answers to the main questions, has historical credibility, has a coherence between multiple witnesses, includes miracles and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It has the most adequate explanation of the human condition, its problem, and the mechanisms of redemption.

Just because something explains something does not mean it is true. Truth must be demonstrated. Christianity says we need to be redeemed and then says they can redeem you if you follow our rules. That is not very trustworthy. It is like a used car salesman saying that the used car he wants to sell you is a great deal.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Just because something explains something does not mean it is true. Truth must be demonstrated. Christianity says we need to be redeemed and then says they can redeem you if you follow our rules. That is not very trustworthy. It is like a used car salesman saying that the used car he wants to sell you is a great deal.

Science explains something, then uses the tests to prove the explanation. Just as circular as what you describe, no? At least, science, real science, that is, doesn't claim to prove anything.

However, you have misrepresented Christianity. Christianity doesn't depend on rules for redemption.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

For one it keeps the demonic presence thar is surrounding your inability to accept the Bible as truth from attaching itself to me.

Please demonstrate any of that is true.

The Bible is not out to prove anything.

ok, then please stop referring to it as proof of what you are saying.

If you reject it that is your ignorance to deal with. I believe in the Bible as truth because( not being old) but because it prophesies exact precise events that are coming true before our eyes. Biblical events have been proven to be accurate...

Wait, I thought the bible was not supposed to prove anything. What about the prophecies that have been falsified. Like the total destruction of Tyre so it would not be known by anyone again. Well, you can fly there today.

...and how dare you use the name of Jesus Christ and the word liar in the same sentence. You honestly would ask that and can still look into your own eyes in the mirror? How?

So god will get upset if I use two words in the same sentence? Notice I did not call Jesus a liar. I asked how do you know Jesus is telling the truth. You cannot believe someone and not be calling them a liar. You may just not have sufficient information to know if they are telling the truth. So I was not calling Jesus a liar.

Next time you look into your eyes in the mirror, imagine you are looking into the eyes of the demon who will be horrifying you in hell and when you see him....and you scream for Jesus, remember that you called Him a liar.......

I never called Jesus a liar. So threats then. And yes this is a threat from God and Jesus Himself/themselves.

may the Lord have mercy on your soul...

May Allah have mercy on your soul for not believing in Him.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Science explains something, then uses the tests to prove the explanation. Just as circular as what you describe, no? At least, science, real science, that is, doesn't claim to prove anything.

Yes but as you just stated science does not accept the explanation until is is verified to be true. Just because an explanation explains something does not mean it is true. You just agreed with me.

However, you have misrepresented Christianity. Christianity doesn't depend on rules for redemption.

No, I may have misrepresented your version of Christianity but I assure you there are Christians that believe there ae rules you need to follow to be saved. How can I know what each Christian believes, there are so many opposing beliefs out there.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Yes but as you just stated science does not accept the explanation until is is verified to be true. Just because an explanation explains something does not mean it is true. You just agreed with me.

Yes, you just agreed with me.

No, I may have misrepresented your version of Christianity but I assure you there are Christians that believe there ae rules you need to follow to be saved. How can I know what each Christian believes, there are so many opposing beliefs out there.

The Bible is what counts, not what Christians believe to be true.

 

[mindlight]

Yet what was explaining things was not their atheism but their ideas. Marxism is not derived from atheism, Nietzche's ideas are not derived from atheism, Liberal Scientific atheism (whatever that is) is probably derived from science and not atheism. Atheism cannot explain anything. It is defined as a disbelief in a god or gods. How can that explain anything? Just like my disbelief in big foot. How can that explain anything?

Just because something explains something does not mean it is true. Truth must be demonstrated. Christianity says we need to be redeemed and then says they can redeem you if you follow our rules. That is not very trustworthy. It is like a used car salesman saying that the used car he wants to sell you is a great deal.

It is the difference between the guy who says there is a pot hole in the middle of the road. But if you drive here you can get round it without wrecking your car and the guy who says I do not believe there is a pot hole in the road. Then there is the guy who says there might be a pothole but if you drive really fast it won't be a problem. Difference between proper perspective, no perspective and false perspective. The guy who says there is no pothole is the atheist , the false explanation is drive fast and the right explanation drive round. The first two are dangerous. The last is life saving. So the baggage the theological position carries does matter.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Yes, you just agreed with me.

ok

The Bible is what counts, not what Christians believe to be true.

Yet what Christians believe to be true is their version of what they think the bible says. This is because there is no way to tell who is interpreting the bible correctly.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

It is the difference between the guy who says there is a pot hole in the middle of the road. But if you drive here you can get round it without wrecking your car and the guy who says I do not believe there is a pot hole in the road. Then there is the guy who says there might be a pothole but if you drive really fast it won't be a problem. Difference between proper perspective, no perspective and false perspective. The guy who says there is no pothole is the atheist , the false explanation is drive fast and the right explanation drive round. The first two are dangerous. The last is life saving. So the baggage the theological position carries does matter.

There is a lot of problems with this analogy.

First, most atheists do not believe God does not exist, most like myself say we do not believe God exists.

Second, in your scenario the atheist would not just not believe you. When they drive the road they would be cautious until they verify the pot hole is actually there or not. If it is they will drive accordingly, if it is not then they would drive accordingly as well. The problem with your warning about Gods judgement is that there is no indication that it is real and there is no way for me to know if it is real. I have sought after God for many years with no indication He exists.

How can I know God exists like I can know a pot hole exists?

 

[Mark Quayle]

ok

Yet what Christians believe to be true is their version of what they think the bible says. This is because there is no way to tell who is interpreting the bible correctly.

Well I'm glad to hear you aren't saying it's because the Bible is bogus. There is no way to tell who is interpreting anything correctly. I've even written stuff and the next day wondered what idiot wrote it!

Like anything else, the Bible should be interpreted according to good hermeneutics --taking into account style of writing, language, circumstances and context, and so on. One can get a pretty good idea. But also like anything else, one's presuppositions and biases always make their way into the picture --it's pretty well unavoidable. Yet we (Christians) have common agreement about a great number of things the Bible teaches.

Like I've said before, too, none of us has it quite right, though, because unlike any other writings, this is written by and is about God.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Well I'm glad to hear you aren't saying it's because the Bible is bogus. There is no way to tell who is interpreting anything correctly. I've even written stuff and the next day wondered what idiot wrote it!

Like anything else, the Bible should be interpreted according to good hermeneutics --taking into account style of writing, language, circumstances and context, and so on. One can get a pretty good idea. But also like anything else, one's presuppositions and biases always make their way into the picture --it's pretty well unavoidable. Yet we (Christians) have common agreement about a great number of things the Bible teaches.

Like I've said before, too, none of us has it quite right, though, because unlike any other writings, this is written by and is about God.

How have you determined what proper hermeneutics are? How have you determined that is the proper way to interpret the bible? Why cannot God clarify the issued between Christians?

 

[Mark Quayle]

How have you determined what proper hermeneutics are? How have you determined that is the proper way to interpret the bible? Why cannot God clarify the issued between Christians?

Hermeneutics? Mostly common sense and the opposite of laziness. It's a little like scientific investigation, that.

Why should God clarify the issue between Christians? What do you think God is trying to do?