What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[BABerean2]

Nope - they do not ignore that passage. They addressed all of Acts 15 here:

Acts 15 - Obedience or Legalism

And at time 28:51 they changed the text of the verse below to make their doctrine work.

Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—

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[ace of hearts]

I'd asked:

I was actually focused on the person committing the adultery. Are THEY "failing" as a Christian - or are THEY bringing glory to God's name? Maybe place yourself in the position of the spouse that's been betrayed.

If you glean from your parent's marriage that a "true Christian wife" is one that stays with her husband even after he commits adultery (which I don't have a problem with - IF the relationship has truly been restored through work at regaining trust) - then you will, most likely, suffer some consequences for that in your relationships. Marriage is a bilateral covenant. When the vows are broken - so is the marriage. As you posted earlier - it's just like when the stipulations of a contract are breached. The agreement ceases.​

I'm sorry you focus this way. I feel I'm being very misrepresented. I never said a breach can't be repaired. I did say how a breach can permanently terminate a covenant/contract. In the case of Israel, they never intended to repair the covenant as a group. Maybe the real reason is they couldn't keep it in the first place. I believe this is and was God's intention. I believe this is the legal basis for the need of redemption. Please pay attention to what I said.

 

[ace of hearts]

Another good point that article makes:

Is the Law of God (“ministry of death”) bad because it kills us? No! God’s law is “holy, just, and good” because it kills us. We want the law to kill us. Without death, we can not be “born again.” The very “Word” that kills, is to also give us life. ~ 2 Corinthians 3:7-8 – Exactly What Came to an End, the Glory or God’s Law?

Romans 7:12
Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

According to Paul, the two "laws" are the law of the Spirit of life (obedience/love for God) and the law of sin and death (disobedience/misplaced fear of something other than God).

Romans 8:2 ~ For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death​

A human is born dead. Yeah I know you can't get a grip on that. That's because your focus is on the carnal.

 

[ace of hearts]

I can't find anywhere on their site where it's suggested one must convert to Judaism in order to be saved ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here is their About Us link: About Us | 119 Ministries

If we fail to understand the Old Testament (Hebrew) - then we will certainly fail to understand the New as well. The whole Bible is written as God's story to us. We can't just read the ending without the context of the beginning.

You don't appear to understand the MJ movement. I don't think you were referred to any thing concerning Hebrew Roots other than some phrase that should have been left out. BABerean2 usually does much better than this.

 

[ace of hearts]

The issue wasn't circumcision on its own - it's that they (the Judaizers) were saying it was necessary in order to be saved.

Acts 15:

The Council at Jerusalem
15 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses."

The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
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Just who are you siding with? You post like a divided house.

 

[ace of hearts]

No - my disagreement is with YOUR interpretation of what Paul wrote.

You can't have the instruction from the Torah (about murder, adultery, lust, oaths, etc) as the foundation that Jesus built on (and then made stricter/more stringent) and call it (on its own) "bondage". That would imply that Jesus' instruction was even greater bondage. Clearly Paul was meaning something else.

From the same article I linked to earlier:
Paul also teaches, the true change was and is in us and that God’s law [instruction for us] has remained the same, as promised. It is not God’s law that changed, it is our relationship to God’s law that changed.

The change, that is prophetically detailed for us in Jeremiah 31:31-33, is that the House of Judah and the House of Israel (the 2 houses of Israel) will now begin to obey God’s law because of a change in the status of their heart.

Jeremiah 31:33
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares (YHWH) the LORD. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people." ~ 2 Corinthians 3:7-8 – Exactly What Came to an End, the Glory or God’s Law?​

What were the Jewish leaders of the day saying and promoting? Why did they seek to kill their Messiah?

 

[ace of hearts]

So now you're attacking Catholicism (and promoting videos with guys saying that Catholics are NOT "biblical Christians")? Not good, BABerean. Not in my opinion. Your circle of influence is certainly narrowing.

I didn't see BABerean2 mention or imply the RCC. I think you're just trying to find something to argue about.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope - they do not ignore that passage. They addressed all of Acts 15 here:

Acts 15 - Obedience or Legalism

Is this different video from the same group of people?

 

[mkgal1]

I didn't see BABerean2 mention or imply the RCC. I think you're just trying to find something to argue about.

The video is available for anyone to view. The guy makes the claim that RC aren't "biblical Christians". The entire "ministry" is to teach Catholics the err of their ways.

 

[mkgal1]

What were the Jewish leaders of the day saying and promoting? Why did they seek to kill their Messiah?

Jewish [church] leaders like Paul, Peter, Matthew, James et al? They certainly weren't seeking to kill their Messiah.

It shouldn't matter about what the Jewish political leaders were promoting, because that's not the thread topic.

 

[mkgal1]

Is this different video from the same group of people?

Same as what group?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The words "My commandments", are not the same as the words "My Father's commandments", in John 15:10.

Notice the word "Father's" in the second part of the passage.

What do you think?

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"I and my Father are ONE." "I do the will of my Father." "Not my will but Yours be done."
Remember Yeshua saying these things?????? A house divided can NOT stand. You people are just silly...
I already have AOH on ignore, I guess you are next...

 

[BABerean2]

"I and my Father are ONE." "I do the will of my Father." "Not my will but Yours be done."
Remember Yeshua saying these things?????? A house divided can NOT stand. You people are just silly...
I already have AOH on ignore, I guess you are next...

Gal_4:16 Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?

The Old Covenant and the New Covenant cannot be one and the same, based on a clear contrast between the two covenants which is found in the New Testament. Confirmation of the contrast between the Old Covenant and New Covenant is found below.



2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
(Why did Paul compare the ten commandments to a ministry of death?)



Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— (Is Paul comparing the Sinai Covenant to “bondage”, and using “Hagar” as a symbol of the Sinai Covenant?)

Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written: "REJOICE, O BARREN, YOU WHO DO NOT BEAR! BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR! FOR THE DESOLATE HAS MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHO HAS A HUSBAND."
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
(Why did Paul compel the Galatian believers to “cast out” the Sinai Covenant of “bondage” in the passage above?)


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.



Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, in as much as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. (Was this written in the present tense during the first century?)

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Do most modern Christians ride a horse to their church, or has that mode of transportation now become “obsolete”? Is there now a better way to get there? See the master teacher in 1 John 2:27.)


Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
(Is that mountain Mount Sinai?)

Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, (Is this verse speaking of the “church” of Jesus Christ?)
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
(Why does the text above say that we are not come to Mount Sinai, but to Mount Zion? If the New Covenant is merely the Old Covenant “renewed” in the hearts of believers, why is the contrast found above?)



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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Old Covenant and the New Covenant cannot be one and the same, based on a clear contrast between the two covenants which is found in the New Testament. Confirmation of the contrast between the Old Covenant and New Covenant is found below.

That was not the question. I never said they were identical. The mediator now is Yeshua.

 

[ace of hearts]

The video is available for anyone to view. The guy makes the claim that RC aren't "biblical Christians". The entire "ministry" is to teach Catholics the err of their ways.

So pick something not being talked about. You're here to argue.

 

[ace of hearts]

Jewish [church] leaders like Paul, Peter, Matthew, Luke et al? They certainly weren't seeking to kill their Messiah.

It shouldn't matter about what the Jewish political leaders were promoting, because that's not the thread topic.

DR Luke is a gentile.

Please just answer the question.

 

[ace of hearts]

Same as what group?

The people who put out the video BABerean2 posted.

 

[ace of hearts]

"I and my Father are ONE." "I do the will of my Father." "Not my will but Yours be done."
Remember Yeshua saying these things?????? A house divided can NOT stand. You people are just silly...
I already have AOH on ignore, I guess you are next...

It isn't BABrean or I that are divided.

Then you'll have nobody to argue with. Thanks for granting me this honor.

 

[ace of hearts]

That was not the question. I never said they were identical. The mediator now is Yeshua.

Then you have no argument and are not promoting or supporting Christianity.

 

[mkgal1]

"I and my Father are ONE." "I do the will of my Father." "Not my will but Yours be done."
Remember Yeshua saying these things?????? A house divided can NOT stand.

The Old Covenant and the New Covenant cannot be one and the same, based on a clear contrast between the two covenants which is found in the New Testament

That's a strawman argument. No one is suggesting that. Pointing out that we Christians have ONE God (represented in 3 persons - the Trinity), with ONE will, isn't implying there is ONE covenant.