What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Saint Steven]

We have a relationship with Abba Who creates and sustains life and His Law is conducive to this...

That's why the Apostle Paul called the TCs the transitory ministry that brought condemnation and death. The letter kills!

2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

 

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Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

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I don't see the correlation.

 

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and bears children

Yes, because of the unbelief of man.

 

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It says the covenant from Mount Sinai is a bondage to slavery. The TCs.
Represented by Hagar the slave woman.

Galatians 4:24
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

And who are these children today? The ones who believe and obey or the unbelievers who wish to kill them?

 

[Tone]

that brought condemnation and death.

bears children who are to be slaves

It brought (bears children) condemnation, death, and slavery, because there was no relationship. There was no repentance and trust in the father...there was only unbelief.

 

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It's ALL or NOTHING. Choose wisely.

In Messiah, I already have all.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yes and some people believe but disregard the guidance of the Holy Spirit out of a desire to live a sinful life. So you are still basically saying that obedience to God’s commandments are necessary for salvation because they must adhere to the guidance of the Holy Spirit to instruct them. Everyone has the ability to either adhere to the Holy Spirit or not. The result is choosing to refrain from sin or indulge in sin. So your still saying that obedience is necessary for salvation but just in a different way.

R.A.Torrey puts it quite well: It is the blood of Christ that takes away the guilt of sin; the Holy Spirit in us that takes away the power of sin; when Jesus comes again we will no longer be in the presence of sin.

Whether a believer is Calvinist with little power of choice, or an Arminian where it is all choice, the reality for a genuinely converted believer with either belief is that the last thing he or she wants to do is to continue in sin of any kind. He or she has been given a new heart and therefore their greatest desire is to honour Christ in all they do. This is what Christian conversion actually is.

The hypocrite will follow the commandments, not because it is in his heart to do, but either through fear of the consequences, going to hell, or for show and praise of others.

The genuine convert, because the guilt has been removed through the blood of Jesus, he has no fear of any consequences, nor of going to hell and he is no longer subject to the fear of praise of man. He loves God with all his heart, soul and strength, therefore the honour of Christ in the way he conducts himself is of paramount importance to him.

 

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It says the covenant from Mount Sinai is a bondage to slavery. The TCs.
Represented by Hagar the slave woman.

Galatians 4:24
These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.

And where do you find this account?

IN THE TORAH.

 

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Ishmael represents those who clung only to the covenant at Sinai. There were those, even then, that looked forward, in faith, to the promises, e.g., Joshua and Caleb. They accepted and remembered the entire Torah. The Messiah is the fullness of Torah, which is why He kept it. Why was He born under the law?

Galatians 4:4
"But when the end of time arrived, God sent his Son and he was from a woman and was under The Written Law,"

 

[Saint Steven]

And who are these children today? The ones who believe and obey or the unbelievers who wish to kill them?

Those who put their trust in the law. The offspring of the law. The ones who will never share in the inheritance.

Galatians 4:30-31
But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

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Those who put their trust in the law. The offspring of the law. The ones who will never share in the inheritance.

Galatians 4:30-31
But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Right, they trust in Hagar alone, and not in the entirety of Torah, which includes Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, etc...

And who were they, when Galatians was written?

 

[Saint Steven]

It brought (bears children) condemnation, death, and slavery, because there was no relationship. There was no repentance and trust in the father...there was only unbelief.

Imprisoned by the law until Christ came to set them free.

Some choose to incarcerate themselves today. Even though the prison doors are broken and hold none but those who choose to dwell there.

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Law is law. You can't bend it to your will. It doesn't bend, it only breaks.
It's not a buffet line where you can pick a dab of this and a dab of that.
It's ALL or NOTHING. Choose wisely.

Galatians 5:3
Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

You need to understand the context of what Paul is saying. Notice l the very next verse in Galatians 5

“You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
‭‭GALATIANS‬ ‭5:4‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Paul is not saying we may live a sinful or lawless lifestyle and expect to be saved by simply believing in Christ. He is saying we are not justified (made right with God) by our obedience to the law. Now notice what Paul says later in the very same chapter

“But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.”
‭‭GALATIANS‬ ‭5:16-25‬ ‭NASB‬‬

The “deeds of the flesh” Paul refers to are forbidden by God’s commandments and also by the Mosaic Law. If a person is living this type of lifestyle they will not enter the kingdom of God.

James is not finished with his message in James 2 at verse 10. He goes on to say...

“For He who said, " DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, " DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment.”
‭‭JAMES‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Here James says to speak and act in accordance with the law and expresses the urgency of mercy towards others. He is not saying to disregard the law because if you try to keep the law and are guilty of breaking one law your guilty of breaking the entire law. That’s not his point here. He’s saying not to be partial towards some who break the law but not to others. He’s addressing unfair judgement towards poor or less fortunate people. He is not telling anyone to disregard the law.

 

[Saint Steven]

In Messiah, I already have all.

I am here to visit you in your self-inflicted prison.

Matthew 25:38-40
When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

 

[Tone]

Imprisoned by the law until Christ came to set them free.

Some choose to incarcerate themselves today. Even though the prison doors are broken and hold none but those who choose to dwell there.

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Yes, because they don't believe. You are right, we are not under the Sinaitic covenant.

 

[Saint Steven]

You need to understand the context of what Paul is saying. ...

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I didn't say you were a Jew. You're the one arguing for MJ doctrine. Not me. So if you're not a an MJ why are you defending them. Just to argue? No I believe you have a purpose.

The apostles were Messianic Jews. Let me explain. The term messianic Jew simply means a Jew who believes that Jesus is the Messiah. He is a Christian. The apostles were Jews, Paul was a Pharisee who believed in Jesus this making him and all the other apostles Messianic Jews.

 

[Saint Steven]

And where do you find this account?

IN THE TORAH.

Yes. So you should understand. (but don't)
The Apostle begins by asking.
Why would you want to be under the law?

Galatians 4:21
Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

 

[Tone]

I am here to visit you in your self-inflicted prison.

Why just visit, why not set the captives free as He did (and does)?

Luke 4:18
"The Spirit of THE LORD JEHOVAH is upon me, and because of this he has anointed me to preach The Good News to the poor; he has sent me to heal broken hearts and to proclaim liberty to captives, vision to the blind, and to restore the crushed with forgiveness,”

 

[Saint Steven]

Right, they trust in Hagar alone, and not in the entirety of Torah, which includes Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, etc...

And who were they, when Galatians was written?

You are completely missing the point. The Apostle says you have chosen the slave woman instead of the free woman.