What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Tone]

Life must be a miserable affair for one with such fear.

You assume all of us are motivated by fear.

John 8:11
"But she said, “Not even one, LORD GOD”; and Yeshua said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, and from now on, sin no more.”

 

[Kenny'sID]

Your saying that we are under the law?

Klute, were you one of those I asked to explain the line of scripture immediately following Jesus mentioning his second commandment? the one about all the law hanging on his 2 commandments?

If so, and you did not answer, as always this is a two way debate and I'll need to get answers to my questions in order for this to be fair, and not just answer others questions...fair enough? So please let me know if I didn't ask you (I clearly think I did but not sure) and if I did where you answered, and answered directly.

Thanks and sorry I don't remember all that's happening here.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Yes, the law of liberty is what we are under. It means that we are born again of the Spirit and are free from the desire to sin.

1 Corinthians 10:29
“Conscience,” I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience?

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Galatians 2:4
And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage),

Galatians 5:1
[ Christian Liberty ] Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Galatians 5:13
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

James 1:25
But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

James 2:12
So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

1 Peter 2:16
as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.

Please read my last post, and I pose the same question to you. I don't mind answering but that has to be a two way street. Thanks and sorry for any confusion on my end.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Please read my last post, and I pose the same question to you. I don't mind answering but that has to be a two way street. Thanks and sorry for any confusion on my end.

I'm confused. Your last post was "Law of Liberty?" I gave you scriptural answers to your question. I thought you were asking because you hadn't heard of the Law of Liberty. It is liberty from being a slave to sin. John 8:34-36

If you meant another post of yours, please give me the number

If this is about the "law and the prophets" I already answered that pages ago

 

[Tone]

But you're controlled by the aw through fear of punishment. If the law has control by any means you're under it.

No I'm not.

 

[ace of hearts]

Why would Jesus, a Jew, teach what was understood by other Jews? You lost me here.

Either they didn't or they were only looking for a reason to dispose of Jesus by killing Him for violating the law which would have been legal under the law. Take your pick if you want to argue.

Should we keep the two great commandments? If so, where did he quote those two commandments from? Also, why does Jesus and the apostle Paul say that the law is comprehended under these two commandments? You would be contradicting yourself.

What does it matter? And would Jesus be quoting Himself?

The law informs us of what is right, good, and acceptable to God as obedience (not just about our failure to measure up to its righteousness). You cannot obey in the Spirit, without fulfilling the law.

You don't obey even if you have the aide of the Spirit. Scripture says none do, including you. PS 14:3.

 

[Tone]

What does "dead" mean? How can the dead have a responsibility to anything? This is the approach and subject of Rom 6. Rom 7 says the law is dead and we're free to marry another. Rom 7 also says we're free from the law. If that is truly the case how is it you claim a relationship with the dead husband (the law). Isn't that necrophilia?This is impossible. Paul no where says or implies obedience to the law. Paul says -

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Sure doesn't sound like Paul promotes works of the law to me.

Is the Torah sin?

 

[klutedavid]

Klute, were you one of those I asked to explain the line of scripture immediately following Jesus mentioning his second commandment? the one about all the law hanging on his 2 commandments?

If so, and you did not answer, as always this is a two way debate and I'll need to get answers to my questions in order for this to be fair, and not just answer others questions...fair enough? So please let me know if I didn't ask you (I clearly think I did but not sure) and if I did where you answered, and answered directly.

Thanks and sorry I don't remember all that's happening here.

I think you asked me who gave the ten commandments. Jesus gave the ten commandments to the Jews, the exiles from Egypt.

There you go Kenny.

 

[ace of hearts]

We are not in the OLD COVENANT now we are in the NEW COVENANT.

Amen to that. That means you have no point in promoting the Old Covenant.

 

[ace of hearts]

Yes, I believe we agree what the commandments of Jesus are don't we? People such as SDAs believe the commandments of Jesus are the Ten Commandments, and they are wrong. They go much deeper than what the 10Cs covered.

I know. They think I don't for some reason.

 

[klutedavid]

Is the Torah sin?

The Torah is the reason why the messiah had to die. Humanity had no hope right from the beginning, all were dead in sin.

When the word 'law' is used in the New Testament it usually refers to the Torah.

So is the Torah sin?

The Torah is all about sin.

Whereas the New Testament is all about Grace!

 

[Kenny'sID]

I think you asked me who gave the ten commandments. Jesus gave the ten commandments to the Jews, the exiles from Egypt.

There you go Kenny.

I'll put it this way, before I go back and try to find it, do you generally answer all questions?

See, if they aren't answered right off it causes problems, they get lost in the shuffle, people forget who asked what and the debate becomes rather one sided for those who try to answer all questions.

 

[ace of hearts]

yes or no please

I told you yes and you're still unhappy. Why? Is it because I included a quote from 1 Tim 1?

 

[klutedavid]

Klute, were you one of those I asked to explain the line of scripture immediately following Jesus mentioning his second commandment? the one about all the law hanging on his 2 commandments?

If so, and you did not answer, as always this is a two way debate and I'll need to get answers to my questions in order for this to be fair, and not just answer others questions...fair enough? So please let me know if I didn't ask you (I clearly think I did but not sure) and if I did where you answered, and answered directly.

Thanks and sorry I don't remember all that's happening here.

Now I can ask again.

Are you saying that we are under the law?

 

[ace of hearts]

Here we don't agree. I would say to you what I said to Oscarr so read my post to him about Romans 7 in post #103. It is vital that you understand it to understand the rest of Scripture and our New Covenant.

It's OK if you don't understand. Do I need to post in large letters or something? No we don't have permission to sin being under grace. John says if we do we have and advocate with the Father - 1 JN 1:9. In my way of saying things you took that as easy cheesy cheap grace. That would be very wrong. John assures us there is a way to correct things. Paul sinned and you claim he was still a Christian while writing a major portion of the NT.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I told you yes and you're still unhappy. Why? Is it because I included a quote from 1 Tim 1?

That post was addressed towards someone else, I see in your quoit that someone else said yes, under certain circumstances but nowhere where you said yes. Why are you quoting someone else when replying to me?

I meant to stop replying to you because of your nonsense/useless comments towards me, Is this another one of those?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Nite all!

 

[1stcenturylady]

It's OK if you don't understand. Do I need to post in large letters or something? No we don't have permission to sin being under grace. John says if we do we have and advocate with the Father - 1 JN 1:9. In my way of saying things you took that as easy cheesy cheap grace. That would be very wrong. John assures us there is a way to correct things. Paul sinned and you claim he was still a Christian while writing a major portion of the NT.

Show me where Paul sinned after becoming a Christian.

 

[Jonaitis]

Take your pick if you want to argue.What does it matter?

It matters, because we are talking about obeying God.

And would Jesus be quoting Himself?You don't obey even if you have the aide of the Spirit. Scripture says none do, including you. PS 14:3.

What does Psalm 14:3 have to do with what we are talking about? Yes, I agree that no one is able to perfectly obey the law, and no one is able to measure up to its righteousness, but that does not negate the obligation we have to obey God regardless. Just because we are sinful creatures doesn't allow us to sin.

"Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19-20

 

[Kenny'sID]

Now I can ask again.

Are you saying that we are under the law?

Actually you can't, not until we clear something up...details already posted.