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Every Christian should read the book "Judaism's Strange Gods" by Michael Hoffman, in order to understand what the Babylonian Talmud teaches.
It will help explain why some Orthodox Jews twirl a chicken over their head in the "Kaparot" ceremony.
It also reveals how much of the Talmud is dedicated to the efforts of the rabbis to avoid following the Law of Moses.
Mat_15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mat_15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mar_7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar_7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar_7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
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What's the objection to the tradition of Hillell's teachings - specifically these teachings (that is a LOOOOONG way off from "strange gods")?:
“Do not judge your friend until you have stood in his place.”13 ~ Pirkei Avot 2:4.~ Hillel the Elder
“Be among the disciples of Aharon, loving peace and pursuing peace, loving G-d’s creatures, and bringing them close to the Torah.” ~ Pirkei Avot (1:12)
OK, what are those good works?The Law isn't required for salvation but good works should flow out of Christians.
Dear Shimshon,Sadly this is the second most ignorant thing I've heard you say yet. The first being that love is never commanded and your refusal to acknowledge the first two commandments.
Genesis 3:15 says Christ will defeat Satan, thus sin and 'death'. Over a third of the Scriptures are made up of prophecies many relating to Jesus who redeems from the dead, and all of Scripture points to him. He is the fulfillment of the OT.
Why do you like to throw out so much of who he is? Who or what has hurt you so bad in relation to the law given Israel by God that you cannot help but deny that which God has called holy or redeemed? Who used the Scriptures against you so as to cause animosity between the law of God and yourself?
BTW, I'm not a law based Messianic Jew. I'm a Grace based and Messiah centric Jewish believer. And part of my ministry is to those who place themselves under the law. And, I'd like to come along side you here but your zeal often appears as blind animosity. And some of your statements as above are so myopic. I see you fight against the pricks. Or fighting the windmills. And to be clear, I am saying all of this with a prayerful heart, not a vengeful one. I pray for your continued revelation of who Messiah is, in his fulness. My heart is for you, not against you.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.The Old Testament pointed to the Messiah.
Just about every time Jesus spoke (what's recorded for us) a quote directly from the Old Testament - The Law, The Torah, the Pentateuch - was included (so, in my opinion, it's critically important to study the Old Testament or else one won't comprehend the second Testament).
Here is one OT prophecy that I know of that foretells of His resurrection, which proclaims eternal life (from King David):
You have made my lot secure.
6 The lines of my boundary have fallen in pleasant places;
surely my inheritance is delightful.
7 I will bless the LORD who counsels me;
even at night my conscience instructs me.b
8 I have setc the LORD always before me.
Because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.
9 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will dwell securely.
10 For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.
11 You have made known to me the path of life;
You will fill me with joy in Your presence
with eternal pleasures at Your right hand.
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ETA: Also see Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53
Jesus said (recorded in John 5:39):
"These are the very Scriptures that testify about me"
Very good. I agree even though you provided no discussion of your own.....and I merely defined it in *context*. To answer only what "fulfill" means without context would be like me asking you to define "set" (IOW.....it's not enough for a basic definition as there are many applications).
But I'll play along. The original Greek word in Galatians is: anapléroó
From Strongs:
Original Word: ἀναπληρόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: anapléroó
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ap-lay-ro'-o)
Definition: to fill up
Usage: I fill up, make up, complete the measure of, fulfill, carry out the commands (provisions, etc.) of.
Not a single thing in the NT promotes the law. If you think some passage does, at least reference it and we can talk about it.I can only respond to what you write...
How does the whole NT testify against me?
JN 1:17, 15:10Yeshua taught Torah and kept it. So the JEWISH apostles failed??? Gamaliel taught Paul...
Acts of the Apostles is part of the NT.This is from Acts 13. Paul referred back to the OT and the promises made there (which includes the foretelling of the resurrection of Jesus). Also...go back to v 14 & 16 to see who Paul's audience was:
Acts 13:32-37 ~
“And now we are here to bring you this Good News. The promise was made to our ancestors, 33 and God has now fulfilled it for us, their descendants, by raising Jesus. This is what the second psalm says about Jesus:
‘You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father.’
34 For God had promised to raise him from the dead, not leaving him to rot in the grave. He said, ‘I will give you the sacred blessings I promised to David.’ 35 Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ 36 This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. 37 No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay.
You follow them and I'll follow Jesus. I'm not interested in your match. I love the truth and you want me to abandon it. No way because I've got a much better deal with Jesus than you do with the law. Heb 8:6Yeshua is The Messiah, Gamaliel and Hillel were not...but they all taught Torah and their teaching were very similar...THAT was my point. You keep wanting it to be a peeing match.
We recognize and accept that.I honestly had never paid any attention to this name until reading it today. I did some reading on the Greek Orthodox site - and Gamaliel was recognized as a saint (it looks like both the Roman Catholics and Orthodox traditions recognize that).
I'm confused why others in this thread are refusing to notice that the early church was made up of Jews?
Read more than just the first sentence. My post continued to say:Acts of the Apostles is part of the NT.
Not in any posts I've read in this thread. Instead - when Paul and Gamaliel were mentioned - you contrasted their teaching with Jesus' and claimed they "failed" and Jesus "won". They weren't in opposition.We recognize and accept that.
I read your whole post. I responded to what I wanted to draw your attention to. You quoted only only from Acts 13.Read more than just the first sentence. My post continued to say:
Paul referred back to the OT and the promises made there (which includes the foretelling of the resurrection of Jesus). Also...go back to v 14 & 16 to see who Paul's audience was:
Acts 13:32-37 ~
“And now we are here to bring you this Good News. The promise was made to our ancestors, 33 and God has now fulfilled it for us, their descendants, by raising Jesus. This is what the second psalm says about Jesus:
‘You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father.’
34 For God had promised to raise him from the dead, not leaving him to rot in the grave. He said, ‘I will give you the sacred blessings I promised to David.’ 35 Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ 36 This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. 37 No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay
No I didn't. You have poor reading comprehension skills, then.I read your whole post. I responded to what I wanted to draw your attention to. You quoted only only from Acts 13.
I don't contrast Paul and Jesus. Neither Jesus nor Paul teach Gamaliel that I know about. If you want to follow Gamaliel, be my guest. Don't expect me to. The subject of the thread is Jesus and His commandments.Not in any posts I've read in this thread. Instead - when Paul and Gamaliel were mentioned - you contrasted their teaching with Jesus' and claimed they "failed" and Jesus "won". They weren't in opposition.
That OK by me. When you find something in the OT about having eternal life let me know.
The Old Testament pointed to the Messiah.
Just about every time Jesus spoke (what's recorded for us) a quote directly from the Old Testament - The Law, The Torah, the Pentateuch - was included (so, in my opinion, it's critically important to study the Old Testament or else one won't comprehend the second Testament).
Here is one OT prophecy that I know of that foretells of His resurrection, which proclaims eternal life (from King David):
You have made my lot secure.
6 The lines of my boundary have fallen in pleasant places;
surely my inheritance is delightful.
7 I will bless the LORD who counsels me;
even at night my conscience instructs me.b
8 I have setc the LORD always before me.
Because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.
9 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will dwell securely.
10 For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.
11 You have made known to me the path of life;
You will fill me with joy in Your presence
with eternal pleasures at Your right hand.
****************************************
ETA: Also see Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53
Jesus said (recorded in John 5:39):
"These are the very Scriptures that testify about me"
This is from Acts 13. Paul referred back to the OT and the promises made there (which includes the foretelling of the resurrection of Jesus). Also...go back to v 14 & 16 to see who Paul's audience was:
Acts 13:32-37 ~
“And now we are here to bring you this Good News. The promise was made to our ancestors, 33 and God has now fulfilled it for us, their descendants, by raising Jesus. This is what the second psalm says about Jesus:
‘You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father.’
34 For God had promised to raise him from the dead, not leaving him to rot in the grave. He said, ‘I will give you the sacred blessings I promised to David.’ 35 Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ 36 This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. 37 No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay.
Read more than just the first sentence. My post continued to say:
Paul referred back to the OT and the promises made there (which includes the foretelling of the resurrection of Jesus). Also...go back to v 14 & 16 to see who Paul's audience was:
Acts 13:32-37 ~
“And now we are here to bring you this Good News. The promise was made to our ancestors, 33 and God has now fulfilled it for us, their descendants, by raising Jesus. This is what the second psalm says about Jesus:
‘You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father.’
34 For God had promised to raise him from the dead, not leaving him to rot in the grave. He said, ‘I will give you the sacred blessings I promised to David.’ 35 Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ 36 This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. 37 No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay
Yes, by all means read it...especially if you are into conspiracy theories, are a neo-nazi and are a holocaust denier! Amazon banned it. The guy worked with Tom Metzger! It is highly anti-semitic...
Gamaliel was Paul's mentor - as mentioned in Acts. He's recognized as a Christian saint (although - I wouldn't be surprised if you have an issue with the practice of recognizing sainthood).I don't contrast Paul and Jesus. Neither Jesus nor Paul teach Gamaliel that I know about. If you want to follow Gamaliel, be my guest. Don't expect me to. The subject of the thread is Jesus and His commandments.
OK, what are those good works?
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