What commandments is Jesus talking about?

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2019

Oscarr said:
The problem is trying to compile a list of commandments and attempting to keep them in our own strength. All that does is to lead to being a religious, self-righteous, lost sinner still subject to the wrath of God and a future in hell.

A genuinely converted believer will seek to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and will allow the Holy Spirit to work holiness in him. He seeks the Holy Spirit to reveal all known sin in his life, and then confesses them one by one until his accounting with God is up to date. Then he asks the Holy Spirit to work sanctification in him and then follows the Spirit's directions as they come to him.

He refuses to have any trust in his own ability to sanctify himself by trying to follow a set of commandments in the flesh, and trusts completely in Christ to work holiness and sanctification in him.

Yes and some people believe but disregard the guidance of the Holy Spirit out of a desire to live a sinful life. So you are still basically saying that obedience to God’s commandments are necessary for salvation because they must adhere to the guidance of the Holy Spirit to instruct them. Everyone has the ability to either adhere to the Holy Spirit or not. The result is choosing to refrain from sin or indulge in sin. So your still saying that obedience is necessary for salvation but just in a different way.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
Revelation 14:12
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

Another question is:

What commandments is John talking about?

*What commandments is John talking about?

Ah I get it. You're trying to close this thread. No problem. I can chat there too.

But to answer your question, I can find nothing anywhere John is talking about the famous 10 which you imply. JN 15:10 talks about 2 sets of commandments. Jesus says He gives a new commandment in JN 13:34. This is one of His commandments. It isn't one of His Father's commandments.

The Sermon on the Mount makes it clear Jesus isn't teaching the law. The fact is He either changed the law and taught something different.

So you need much more than just a quote from Revelation to make you point the law is being talked about. There's nothing in the text nor context supporting the law is what John has in mind.

We read this is the commandment of God -

1 JN 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Tone said:
Luke 2:25-32
"Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27 And he came in the Spirit into the temple, and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him according to the custom of the Law, 28 he took him up in his arms and blessed God and said,

29 “Lord, now you are letting your servant depart in peace,
according to your word;
30 for my eyes have seen your salvation
31 that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples,
32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and for glory to your people Israel.”

This man was righteous as he believed in Messiah and devout in his observance of the Law. There is no contradiction here.

What is your connection to the commandments of Jesus?

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
No one said you had to. I was just stating what it said.

Yeah and like Tone is doing, it has nothing to do with the commandments of Jesus.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man.

Galatians 3:10-13

Those who rely on their works to justify them are under the curse of the law. Grace removes the curse.

Nothing here about the commandments of Jesus. The law is being promoted with text insinuating we have a continued covenant at least similar to the one given to Israel in the desert. This is contrary to the words of Jesus Christ the Righteous in 3 Gospels and the prophecy of Jeremiah.

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Ah I get it. You're trying to close this thread. No problem. I can chat there too.

But to answer your question, I can find nothing anywhere John is talking about the famous 10 which you imply. JN 15:10 talks about 2 sets of commandments. Jesus says He gives a new commandment in JN 13:34. This is one of His commandments. It isn't one of His Father's commandments.

The Sermon on the Mount makes it clear Jesus isn't teaching the law. The fact is He either changed the law and taught something different.

So you need much more than just a quote from Revelation to make you point the law is being talked about. There's nothing in the text nor context supporting the law is what John has in mind.

We read this is the commandment of God -

1 JN 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Keeping the two most important commandments is keeping all of the commandments because all of the commandments are based on the two most important commandments. I’m referring to the commandments of God not the mosaic law.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
it has nothing to do with the commandments of Jesus.

How is that?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Nothing here about the commandments of Jesus. The law is being promoted with text insinuating we have a continued covenant at least similar to the one given to Israel in the desert. This is contrary to the words of Jesus Christ the Righteous in 3 Gospels and the prophecy of Jeremiah.

So what do you consider His "commandments"?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
We read this is the commandment of God -

1 JN 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Why are you constantly trying to separate Him from His Judaism?

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
Keeping the two most important commandments is keeping all of the commandments because all of the commandments are based on the two most important commandments. I’m referring to the commandments of God not the mosaic law.

You're trying to get me to say we're obligated to the law.

Your reference is to what is called the law of Moses. I didn't say it wasn't the law of God. Moses didn't make up any laws. The discussion Jesus was having with the Pharisees doesn't make those two laws the commandments of Jesus.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Nothing here about the commandments of Jesus. The law is being promoted with text insinuating we have a continued covenant at least similar to the one given to Israel in the desert. This is contrary to the words of Jesus Christ the Righteous in 3 Gospels and the prophecy of Jeremiah.

It was written on stone and now written on our hearts...He now being the mediator of the covenant. As I have said before you really need to read Jeremiah again...

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
So what do you consider His "commandments"?

I've already posted one of them - JN 13:34. You say it isn't. That would be calling Jesus or John a liar. I believe the text to be inspired.

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
You're trying to get me to say we're obligated to the law.

Your reference is to what is called the law of Moses. I didn't say it wasn't the law of God. Moses didn't make up any laws. The discussion Jesus was having with the Pharisees doesn't make those two laws the commandments of Jesus.

No I’m simply saying that Jesus said all the commandments and prophecies are based on the two most important commandments. Keeping the two most important commandments is keeping all the commandments. You can’t keep the two most important commandments without keeping all the commandments.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Why are you constantly trying to separate Him from His Judaism?

I'm not. You're issuing a call to Judaism which isn't Christianity. So how can you be a Christian and promote Judaism? You're posting in a forum you agreed not to when agreeing to the terms of service.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
It was written on stone and now written on our hearts...He now being the mediator of the covenant. As I have said before you really need to read Jeremiah again...

Not according to Jeremiah.

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
I'm not. You're issuing a call to Judaism which isn't Christianity. So how can you be a Christian and promote Judaism? You're posting in a forum you agreed not to when agreeing to the terms of service.

Just because we are not justified (made right with God) by obedience to God’s commandments does not mean that we do not need to obey His commandments. We are justified by faith but just because a person is made right with God doesn’t mean they can’t be made wrong with Him afterwards for disobedience.

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
No I’m simply saying that Jesus said all the commandments and prophecies are based on the two most important commandments. Keeping the two most important commandments is keeping all the commandments. You can’t keep the two most important commandments without keeping all the commandments.

So what you have is keeping the law for salvation. You're trying to get me to say Christians are to keep the law. That is incorrect.

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
So what you have is keeping the law for salvation. You're trying to get me to say Christians are to keep the law. That is incorrect.

Why were the people condemned in Matthew 7:21-23?

BNR32FAN · Mar 31, 2019

ace of hearts said:
So what you have is keeping the law for salvation. You're trying to get me to say Christians are to keep the law. That is incorrect.

You need to understand the difference between being justified (made right with God) and abiding in Christ (obeying His commandments).

ace of hearts · Mar 31, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
Just because we are not justified (made right with God) by obedience to God’s commandments does not mean that we do not need to obey His commandments. We are justified by faith but just because a person is made right with God doesn’t mean they can’t be made wrong with Him afterwards for disobedience.

You can't keep two opposing sets of laws. A divided house will be destroyed. I was confused for years by the errant mixed stuff from the bully pulpit that tries to preserve the religious system. Most of the so called pro grace churches preach grace and demand an amended version of the law be kept.

So if you want to keep or say you keep the law, have at it. If you do any of the law you have to do all the law. Gal 5

What commandments is Jesus talking about?

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