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I could be tarred and feathered for saying this, but those who reject the teaching of successful godly ministries in favour of their own interpretation of the Bible, are being somewhat exclusive, and can disadvantage themselves by missing out on many valuable nuggets of gold that these godly ministries can contribute to the strentghening of our faith in Christ.I think reading is great! It stimulates the mind, well most minds. I do puzzles. It causes me to focus on details.
It's great to win souls to Jesus. I also think it's great to make disciples of Jesus. IOW I think Jesus said make disciples.I don't label people like that. The men I referred to are recognised soul-winners who, in their ministry, won thousands to Christ.
"And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others" (2 Timothy 2:2).
This shows that Paul gave teaching to Timothy with the instruction to take that teaching and entrust it to faithful and reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others. I believe that the men I have referred to have heard from the Holy Spirit and through their experience and successful ministry, and being men of prayer and faith, are admirably qualified to teach others. Therefore I don't have to "reinvent the wheel" through trying to learn afresh what others have already learned from the Holy Spirit and who are equipped by God to pass on what they have learned to others.
Sorry about that. You can disbelieve the expression of the trinity if you like. When it comes to the subject and verse of this thread, you're doing your best to say God the Father is also God the Son.Well, if you don't see the family connection between Father and Son, here's a passage that may help:
"Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?"
Who's Law?
Still doesn't link Jesus as the giver of the law."What commandments is Jesus talking about?"
John 12:49-50
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
One must be careful and examine what even godly men say. I've read many. You just don't hear me giving them credit for their influence on my life. That kind of discussion only causes trouble for me in most all places of conversations. So I just don't do it any more.I could be tarred and feathered for saying this, but those who reject the teaching of successful godly ministries in favour of their own interpretation of the Bible, are being somewhat exclusive, and can disadvantage themselves by missing out on many valuable nuggets of gold that these godly ministries can contribute to the strentghening of our faith in Christ.
Specifically the 4th because it has no relationship between people.which of the 10 commandments can be broken consistently while still loving God and neighbor?
Specifically the 4th because it has no relationship between people.
Doesn't relate to your first post.you can take the LORD's name in vein as well?
which of the 10 commandments can be broken consistently while still loving God and neighbor?
Doesn't relate to your first post.
Sorry about that. You can disbelieve the expression of the trinity if you like. When it comes to the subject and verse of this thread, you're doing your best to say God the Father is also God the Son.
Still doesn't link Jesus as the giver of the law.
LK 6:31
Jn 13:34
teaching them to observe all that I commanded you
I don't label people like that. The men I referred to are recognised soul-winners who, in their ministry, won thousands to Christ.
"And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others" (2 Timothy 2:2).
This shows that Paul gave teaching to Timothy with the instruction to take that teaching and entrust it to faithful and reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others. I believe that the men I have referred to have heard from the Holy Spirit and through their experience and successful ministry, and being men of prayer and faith, are admirably qualified to teach others. Therefore I don't have to "reinvent the wheel" through trying to learn afresh what others have already learned from the Holy Spirit and who are equipped by God to pass on what they have learned to others.
Who is the we in verse 6 and 7? For me they're both the same group. Isn't John including himself with that word?
What does "walking in" mean to you? Have you ever heard the expression - if you talk the walk, walk the talk? To me walk in means actually actively practicing/doing what one does - a way of life. So I think the word "practice" in the quote implies what I said. The evidence in some early churches indicates Christians were actually practicing sin. You did mention Gnosticism. See Corinthians for example if you need something real clear.
Isn't the we still the same group as the other verses? Does John say we have no sin? You've talked about Rom 7 about Paul trying to say he had no war or problem with sin. I just can't buy that. Yes I understand your discussion about Semitic writing styles.
Ah the problems of religion. I disagree about who you claim never repented. Haven't you read about Demas, who Paul once loved turning his back on the Gospel.
To me verse 6 means practices sin. That would be in line with 1:6-7 which say "walk in" (KJV).
Yes a person that walks in (practices) darkness (sin) is a child of the devil. 1:9 isn't talking about as habitual life style.
You did say while loving God, didn't you?sure does...
JN 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.So what do you think those two verses are?
And why did you quote the above verse if you don't believe He is the law giver?
The church is full of Gnostics these days. Not only are they full of them, they are also mostly under their control. Just be vocal about the truth and find out for your self.The problem was the Gnostics were inside the church trying to win people to their side, so the we is his mixed congregation. But you will see they soon leave.
Certainly1 John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Walking is being super-sensitized to the voice of the Spirit that he speaks through your tender conscience. You can be presented with a temptation and immediately walk away from it, never indulging. As far as the Corinthians, they had all the gifts of the Spirit in their church; however they did not know how to handle willful sinners, so they just let them stay in the congregation raising havoc. Paul told them to excommunicate them, even giving them over to Satan so they would come to their senses and see that they were not walking the walk. Then in 2 Cor. Paul tells them to bring them back once they had repented.
I've not idea why you're asking me this. You read the forum and should know without doubt I don't promote a lifestyle of sin nor even justify an occasional sin. But to say I never do commit sin would be wrong and lying. Does that mean I need to confess to you some sin? What for? so I can be condemned by you? Ain't gonna happen. Didn't I testify to you about my local situation and my response to it?What does it mean to you that we are not under the law but under grace? Romans 6 says we are dead to the sin so how can this struggle go on in someone who is already dead to sin. The answer is those who struggle are not dead to sin yet, and do not have the Spirit which is fully in chapter 8, though it begins in this chapter. Paul's audience are those who know the law and are walking in the law, not the Spirit.
Yes and amen to the above quote. I also employee and enjoin the same.Read the verses Romans 7-
1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
It shows the struggle with sin and the devil which wage war on our souls. Paul fully acknowledges this war as currently happening in his life in -Sin’s Advantage in the Law
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
Law Cannot Save from Sin
13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
The rest of the chapter shows the struggle to keep the law without the Spirit. Who can save them from the law and the sin it shows them? JESUS.
What I know from a letter to Timothy is Paul fellowshiped with him as a Christian at one time. If you want to say Demas was a Gnostic that's OK with me. I just don't believe you can support that idea.Was Demas a Gnostic as in 1 John 1? I don't know the story.
You haven't picked up what I mean by my previous post. Why? How do I make it plain to you? Doesn't life style indicate a continuous habitual way of life? Do you understand the word "practice?"What is the difference between commit and practice to you. Shall I say "I don't practice fornication, so committing it tonight won't matter?"
No because this isn't evangelizing in context. Acts 2:38-39 is evangelizing.1 John 1:9 is how to become a Christian. It would be the same as Acts 2:38-39.
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