What commandments is Jesus talking about?

1stcenturylady · Mar 2, 2019

klutedavid said:
Chapters nine and ten give the game away completely. Paul explains why Israel failed and he had been doing that since chapter two.

Why folk walk off on a tangent in chapter seven is bewildering.

If you notice, those who want to justify a current sin nature believe both 1 John 1:8 and Romans 7 are about Christians, when in reality they are both before Christ. Everyone should take a course in the Hebrew writing styles to understand the meaning of the authors.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
What would you like for me to be more specific on.

What commandments did you talk about? are they commandments of Jesus? What I'm directly asking you is - Did Jesus issue them?

Or are some of the posters comments on several of the pro commandment posts just you challenging everything we say because you want to break the commandments, and some here won't buy into the delusion some have created for themselves allowing them to do that?

What did the OP say? Are you suggesting I'm an unregenerate individual just here to argue with stupid? Why are you suggesting I'm deluded?

I do realize some comments here are from people who really believe they have reason to believe the commandment are no big deal, and most of the time that's what they were taught the bible says, not something they came up with on their own. But they liked it because it allowed them to break the commandment and have heaven too, so they really believe it. While other comments here are just people being contrary, and throwing nothings at the disagreement..and kind of just wasting posters time.

Here you seem to be saying I like grace so I can sin. I've no idea why you're stuff like this. I never said anything remotely imply such an ignorant idea.

Some are satisfied they can break the 10 commandments, and maybe you can break some of them, I'm not sure of the penalty for each and every one, but I am sure of the penalty for willfully breaking some, and it's not something anyone here wants to deal with...I assure you.

Christians aren't under obligation to the law. If you want to do it to be sure all you have is worthless fire insurance. Those who do actually disbelieve the Gospel.

Jesus said, "If you love me you will keep my commandments". He also said all the commandments and the law (all includes the ten) "hang" on his two commandments of loving God, and our neighbor. If you choose to not see that as all the commandment are still there, and by doing those two, we will do them all, meaning we need to do them all, that is up to you. I mean it's not like I haven't explained in enough different ways so you could see, you just choose not to.

I asked you what those commandments are. You respond with something that aren't the commandments of Jesus or no proof they are. Why?

So, you all can fight us all you like, and I do understand, if you can get others on your bandwagon, it makes it easier for you to believe what you have chosen to, so go for it. But like it or not, we will continue speaking the truth for those who are undecided and those who sincerely seek the truth, and not the 'easy way". If that makes some here uncomfortable.... that's good...there is a reason it does, and clearly...it does.

I'm giggling way to hard here. You don't make me the slightest bit uncomfortable. I've been truly set free as Jesus said by the truth. JN 8:32

I understand sin if fun, as does Christ, so it's up to you.. a mere spec in time of fun, then Hell for some particular sins, or eternal life with the Father by just making a serious but doable effort to be obedient, and to hold out till the end.

I understand your whole post is a personal attack. That the mark of one who has no other defense and has lost with an invalid argument they can't or won't back up. I did think about just reporting you.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
I understand, but then we have to get into, is Jesus God, making them his commandments or does Jesus simply think just as God making them also his. So I just call them his because everyone else does.

However, I agree with you post 100%.

You have my permission to speak for yourself. You don't have permission to speak for me.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Tone said:
Hey, could you do us all a favor and write out the names of the books so it links...makes it convenient...thanks for loving your neighbor!

Ah the post I signed back in to respond to before bed time. I'm here talking to people that I thought were versed enough to understand abbreviations or at least knew enough to copy and pate to your browser. I've go to Biblegateway and paste in a Bible reference. I use several such sites and have access to probably 30 or more versions of the Scripture. This is faster than turning pages. I'm not to worried if they change the wording. Scripture is part of me enough I'd question a change. I do have several hard copy versions if I think something is goofy. So keep complaining.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
If you notice, those who want to justify a current sin nature believe both 1 John 1:8 and Romans 7 are about Christians, when in reality they are both before Christ. Everyone should take a course in the Hebrew writing styles to understand the meaning of the authors.

This just isn't so.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Tone said:
You assume all of us are motivated by fear.

John 8:11
"But she said, “Not even one, LORD GOD”; and Yeshua said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, and from now on, sin no more.”

No I don't and I never even implied that.

I guess you think that is a command to keep the law. It's not even close to what Jesus said.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Klute, were you one of those I asked to explain the line of scripture immediately following Jesus mentioning his second commandment? the one about all the law hanging on his 2 commandments?

If so, and you did not answer, as always this is a two way debate and I'll need to get answers to my questions in order for this to be fair, and not just answer others questions...fair enough? So please let me know if I didn't ask you (I clearly think I did but not sure) and if I did where you answered, and answered directly.

Thanks and sorry I don't remember all that's happening here.

Why does he need to explain them? You didn't show they were commandments Jesus issued.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Tone said:
No I'm not.

You really mean that's why you do 105 in a in a 35 MPH speed zone. No you basically do 35 i a 35 zone cause you don't want a ticket. You're controlled by the primarily through fear of punishment. The Christian is controlled for the most part because it's their new nature manifesting through their actions.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Tone said:
Is the Torah sin?

Who suggested it is? It's not the subject of the thread.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

klutedavid said:
I think you asked me who gave the ten commandments. Jesus gave the ten commandments to the Jews, the exiles from Egypt.

There you go Kenny.

No. JN 1:17 and Gal 3:19.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 2, 2019

klutedavid said:
Hello LGW.

I just read the third chapter of Romans.

Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Here I will rewrite what Paul just said.

Romans 3:28 (rewritten)
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from Sabbath observance.

You miss the fact that a Sabbath observance is a work of the law.

The post you are quoting from says...

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ You are only UNDER THE LAW if you stand guilty before God or breaking the law. I suggest you read ROMANS 2 and ROMANS 3 with an emphasis in ROMANS 3:10-20.

You did not read it with ROMANS 2. Here let's look at it and discuss it.

Let's have a look where Paul proved that both JEWS and GENTILES are all "UNDER SIN" *ROMANS 3:9

ROMANS 2:6-29
[6] Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
[7], To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
[8], But to them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
[9], Tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile
[10], But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
[11], For there is no respect of persons with God.
[12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

ROMANS 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no way: FOR WE HAVE PROVED BOTH JEW AND GREEK, THAT THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN

PAUL proved this earlier in ROMANS 2:6-13. Where he shows that both JEWS AND GENTILES ARE ALL UNDER SIN and stand guilty before God of breaking his LAW.

Paul says in ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. Are you seriously trying to argue that the scripture does not mean what it says? The CONTEXT of ROMANS 3:20 is ROMANS 3:9-20 which is stating that all [JEWS and GENTILES] are under sin v9. There is none righteous v10. While v11-18 are emphasizing the same points as v9-10 that we are all sinners. v19-20 then build on wha was written in from verse 9 [verse 9 was in reference to ROMANS 2:3-23]. Now the overall CONTEXT here is that the law being referred to here is the 10 Commandments.

Let's continue ROMANS 2..

ALL are under sin (broken God's LAW ) 3v9. None are righteous no not one 3v10. Context..

ROMANS 2:21-29 [21],
[21], You therefore which teach another, teach you not yourself? you that preach a man should not steal, do you steal?
[22], You that say a man should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? you that abhor idols, do you commit sacrilege?
[23], You that make your boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonor you God?
[24], For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
[25], For circumcision truly profits, if you keep the law: but if you be a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision.

NOTE: How is your circumcision made uncircumcision? By breaking the 10 commandments!

[26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
[27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law?
[28], For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[29], But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

So it is very clear that when PAUL writes ROMANS 3:19-20...

ROMANS 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Is in reference to the 10 commandments giving us a knowledge of what sin is.

PAUL emphasizes this further in ROMANS 7..

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID, YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

NOTE: Paul says he did not know what sin was but by the law. This is what he said earlier in ROMANS 3:20 when he said that it is by God's LAW that we have a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. The law defined here is specified as the 10 Commandments as highlighted in Romans 2:4-29 and Romans 3:9-20 which specifies as examples in ROMANS 2:21-23 giving examples of stealing, adultery and Idol worship quoting the 10 commandments from Exodus 20:4-5; 14-14. Romans 7:7 is continuing this same thought by quoting the tenth commandment of you shall not covet as an example of sin if broken from Exodus 20:17.

So the law referenced here that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of sin, is indeed referring to the 10 Commandments (not nine as you teach) and not the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) for remission of sin.

ROMANS 3:9-20
[9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no way: FOR WE HAVE PROVED BOTH JEW AND GREEK, THAT THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN;
[10], As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTOUESS NO NOT ONE:
[11], There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God.
[12], They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one.
[13[, Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
[14], Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
[15], Their feet are swift to shed blood:
[16], Destruction and misery are in their ways:
[17], And the way of peace have they not known:
[18], There is no fear of God before their eyes.
[19], NOW WE KNOW THAT WHATSOEVER THINGS THE LAW SAYS, IT SAYS TO THEM WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW; that EVERY mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.
[20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Let's start with v9 which is the CONTEXT. This shows your interpretation of the scriptures is not a correct one brother. It cannot be applicable to just the JEWS because the CONTEXT of v19 in v9 is that BOTH JEW AND GREEK ARE ALL UNDER SIN. Paul says he proved this earlier. WHERE did he prove that BOTH JEWS and GREEKS are ALL UNDER SIN?

Now that CONTEXT has been established in ROMANS 2:6-29 and ROMANS 3:9-20. Let's look at the scriptures and see what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" in ROMANS 3:19.

ROMANS 3:19 [19], NOW WE KNOW THAT WHATSOEVER THINGS THE LAW SAYS, IT SAYS TO THEM WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW; that EVERY mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

Who does PAUL say is "UNDER THE LAW" both JEW AND GENTILE because BOTH JEW AND GENTILE are stand guilty before GOD of breaking it (Romans 2:6-13). Both JEW and GENTILES are all under SIN there is none good no not one (Romans 3:9; Romans 3:10)

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE "UNDER THE LAW"?

To be "UNDER THE LAW" in this case means to be GUILTY BEFORE GOD of breaking the LAW (sin). FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN (Romans 3:20) and this is what God's LAW teaches us. That we are all sinners in need of a Saviour

Can you see the CONTEXT you have left out and what ROMANS 3:19 means to be UNDER THE LAW? It means to stand guilty before GOD of breaking it *SIN.

Hope this helps brother.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
That post was addressed towards someone else, I see in your quoit that someone else said yes, under certain circumstances but nowhere where you said yes. Why are you quoting someone else when replying to me?

I meant to stop replying to you because of your nonsense/useless comments towards me, Is this another one of those?

That's OK by me. This is an open discussion forum. If you want a private conversation there is the PM feature here. Use it.

Sorry you feel my posts are nonsense. I bet if I were posting in your favor you'd feel much different. This isn't an entertainment pass time for me.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
Nite all!

sleep tight

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
Show me where Paul sinned after becoming a Christian.

It's the same place he confesses he didn't.

ace of hearts · Mar 2, 2019

Jonaitis said:
It matters, because we are talking about obeying God.

What does Psalm 14:3 have to do with what we are talking about? Yes, I agree that no one is able to perfectly obey the law, and no one is able to measure up to its righteousness, but that does not negate the obligation we have to obey God regardless. Just because we are sinful creatures doesn't allow us to sin.

"Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19-20

Unbelievable and its passed my bed time too. Thought I'd catch up, but she's moving faster than I can read.

Jonaitis · Mar 2, 2019

It may help to understand where people stand regarding the term "law." As I am reading this thread, I am noticing some seem to be hinting that we should obey the Mosaic law, including the dietary regulations intended only for Israel in the Old Testament era. This is heavily addressed by the apostle Paul, especially in Galatians, and the inspired writer of the book of Hebrews. There was never a time that a Gentile was obligated to obey that law, and never will there ever be a time. The Mosaic law regulated the enjoyment of Israel's blessedness as a nation and controlled tenure in the land of Canaan. It pointed toward a better covenant that it typified and promised.

When referring to the "law," I am talking about the sum of moral equity comprehended by the Decalogue, imported in the Mosaic law (but transcendent to it). When the Mosaic law is removed, the moral law remains in place as the perfect standard of God's righteousness. It is by this law we are judged as sinners, and that we are to render our obedience to. It is summed under the two great commandments, which is the very composition of what the law requires.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 2, 2019

Oscarr said:
Jesus was the only One who kept the Law perfectly. He kept it, so He could be the perfect substitute for us who were and are never able to keep the Law. Therefore if we are trying to keep the Law, we are not in Christ. We are rejecting our Substitute for sin, and therefore we would have no interest in Christ at all and Christ would have no interest in us. Paul was clear that those who are trying to follow the Law bring a curse upon themselves and are on the road to hell, because they are rejecting Christ's pure righteousness for their own self-righteousness.

If you are trying outwardly to follow a set of laws and rules in order to be right with God, then you are rejecting Christ and are still in your sins. You need to repent from trying to be self-righteous and to put your full trust and faith in Jesus as your Substitute for sin, get filled with the Holy Spirit, and allow Him to work righteousness in your heart as He leads you.

Hello brother Oscarr.

Your responding to the wrong post. Is there a reason you did not respond to a direct post to you earlier in post # 101 linked? It is ok if you did not want to respond. I just was not sure what you were saying in some sections of an earlier post and was seeking some clarification.

God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. No one has said that we can keep God's LAW in our own strength as we are all sinners in need of as Savior. However, the GOOD NEWS of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST is that we have a Savior from the bondage of our sins if we are BORN AGAIN from the INSIDE OUT to LOVE and we continue by FAITH in God's WORD to abide in Christ to walk by faith in God's SPIRIT *JOHN 8:31-36; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; GALATIANS 5:16; MATTHEW 15:1-7.

According to God's WORD, all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in those who have been BORN AGAIN to love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.

We are all sick with sin and need a Physician but many do not know the meaning *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

The GOOD NEWS of the GOSPEL brother is that we have a Savior that saves is from SIN. Salvation is from sin not to continue to sin. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin will die *MATTHEW 7:22-23.

God bless.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 2, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
Yes, the law of liberty is what we are under. It means that we are born again of the Spirit and are free from the desire to sin.

1 Corinthians 10:29
“Conscience,” I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience?

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Galatians 2:4
And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage),

Galatians 5:1
[ Christian Liberty ] Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Galatians 5:13
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

James 1:25
But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

James 2:12
So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

1 Peter 2:16
as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.

Liberty spoken of here is freedom from the BONDAGE of SIN (Breaking God's LAW) by walking in God's Spirit. Do you know how we walk in God's Spirit and how many laws are in God's 10 commandments?

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 2, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello brother Oscarr. Your responding to the wrong post but once again God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. No one has said that we can keep God's LAW in our own strength as we are all sinners in need of as Savior. However, the GOOD NEWS of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST is that we have a Savior from the bondage of our sins if we are BORN AGAIN from the INSIDE OUT to LOVE and we continue by FAITH in God's WORD to abide in Christ to walk by faith in God's SPIRIT *JOHN 8:31-36; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; GALATIANS 5:16; MATTHEW 15:1-7.

According to God's WORD, all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in those who have been BORN AGAIN to love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.

We are all sick with sin and need a Physician but many do not know the meaning *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

The GOOD NEWS of the GOSPEL brother is that we have a Savior that saves is from SIN. Salvation is from sin not to continue to sin. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin will die *MATTHEW 7:22-23.

PS. I did send you a post earlier asking for some clarification on some things you posted in post # 101 linked did you read it? It is ok if you did not want to respond. I just was not sure what you were saying in some sections of an earlier post.

God bless.

I saw your previous post, but it was difficult to respond to because of the complexity of it.

However,

1. How do you define unrepentant sin in a Christian believer?
2. How to you actually define repentance?
3. Are those who are sinlessly perfect the only ones saved?
4. How do you explain the Law being set aside because it failed to make anyone righteous?
5. How does the righteousness of Christ affect the believer?
6. If Christ kept the Law perfectly so He could be our perfect and sinless Substitute for us, and took God complete wrath and punishment on Himself for our sinfulness, then how could we now be punished for sin?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 2, 2019

ace of hearts said:
That's OK by me. This is an open discussion forum. If you want a private conversation there is the PM feature here. Use it.
Sorry you feel my posts are nonsense. I bet if I were posting in your favor you'd feel much different. This isn't an entertainment pass time for me.

People care about you brother and want to help you.

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