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Life must be a miserable affair for one with such fear.
Your saying that we are under the law?
Yes, the law of liberty is what we are under. It means that we are born again of the Spirit and are free from the desire to sin.
1 Corinthians 10:29
“Conscience,” I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience?
2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Galatians 2:4
And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage),
Galatians 5:1
[ Christian Liberty ] Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
Galatians 5:13
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
James 1:25
But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
James 2:12
So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
1 Peter 2:16
as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
Please read my last post, and I pose the same question to you. I don't mind answering but that has to be a two way street. Thanks and sorry for any confusion on my end.
But you're controlled by the aw through fear of punishment. If the law has control by any means you're under it.
Either they didn't or they were only looking for a reason to dispose of Jesus by killing Him for violating the law which would have been legal under the law. Take your pick if you want to argue.Why would Jesus, a Jew, teach what was understood by other Jews? You lost me here.
What does it matter? And would Jesus be quoting Himself?Should we keep the two great commandments? If so, where did he quote those two commandments from? Also, why does Jesus and the apostle Paul say that the law is comprehended under these two commandments? You would be contradicting yourself.
You don't obey even if you have the aide of the Spirit. Scripture says none do, including you. PS 14:3.The law informs us of what is right, good, and acceptable to God as obedience (not just about our failure to measure up to its righteousness). You cannot obey in the Spirit, without fulfilling the law.
What does "dead" mean? How can the dead have a responsibility to anything? This is the approach and subject of Rom 6. Rom 7 says the law is dead and we're free to marry another. Rom 7 also says we're free from the law. If that is truly the case how is it you claim a relationship with the dead husband (the law). Isn't that necrophilia?This is impossible. Paul no where says or implies obedience to the law. Paul says -
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Sure doesn't sound like Paul promotes works of the law to me.
I think you asked me who gave the ten commandments. Jesus gave the ten commandments to the Jews, the exiles from Egypt.Klute, were you one of those I asked to explain the line of scripture immediately following Jesus mentioning his second commandment? the one about all the law hanging on his 2 commandments?
If so, and you did not answer, as always this is a two way debate and I'll need to get answers to my questions in order for this to be fair, and not just answer others questions...fair enough? So please let me know if I didn't ask you (I clearly think I did but not sure) and if I did where you answered, and answered directly.
Thanks and sorry I don't remember all that's happening here.
Amen to that. That means you have no point in promoting the Old Covenant.We are not in the OLD COVENANT now we are in the NEW COVENANT.
I know. They think I don't for some reason.Yes, I believe we agree what the commandments of Jesus are don't we? People such as SDAs believe the commandments of Jesus are the Ten Commandments, and they are wrong. They go much deeper than what the 10Cs covered.
The Torah is the reason why the messiah had to die. Humanity had no hope right from the beginning, all were dead in sin.Is the Torah sin?
I think you asked me who gave the ten commandments. Jesus gave the ten commandments to the Jews, the exiles from Egypt.
There you go Kenny.
I told you yes and you're still unhappy. Why? Is it because I included a quote from 1 Tim 1?yes or no please
Now I can ask again.Klute, were you one of those I asked to explain the line of scripture immediately following Jesus mentioning his second commandment? the one about all the law hanging on his 2 commandments?
If so, and you did not answer, as always this is a two way debate and I'll need to get answers to my questions in order for this to be fair, and not just answer others questions...fair enough? So please let me know if I didn't ask you (I clearly think I did but not sure) and if I did where you answered, and answered directly.
Thanks and sorry I don't remember all that's happening here.
It's OK if you don't understand. Do I need to post in large letters or something? No we don't have permission to sin being under grace. John says if we do we have and advocate with the Father - 1 JN 1:9. In my way of saying things you took that as easy cheesy cheap grace. That would be very wrong. John assures us there is a way to correct things. Paul sinned and you claim he was still a Christian while writing a major portion of the NT.Here we don't agree. I would say to you what I said to Oscarr so read my post to him about Romans 7 in post #103. It is vital that you understand it to understand the rest of Scripture and our New Covenant.
I told you yes and you're still unhappy. Why? Is it because I included a quote from 1 Tim 1?
It's OK if you don't understand. Do I need to post in large letters or something? No we don't have permission to sin being under grace. John says if we do we have and advocate with the Father - 1 JN 1:9. In my way of saying things you took that as easy cheesy cheap grace. That would be very wrong. John assures us there is a way to correct things. Paul sinned and you claim he was still a Christian while writing a major portion of the NT.
Take your pick if you want to argue.What does it matter?
And would Jesus be quoting Himself?You don't obey even if you have the aide of the Spirit. Scripture says none do, including you. PS 14:3.
Now I can ask again.
Are you saying that we are under the law?
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