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What can and can't I do on Sabbath (whether Sunday or Saturday I do no mind)

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sorry if i sounded rude, i am just dealing with a lot in my faith and i feel sad
No problem at all. Brevity is not my strong suit, so I understand if it was too long. It can be easy to make up a whole doctrine based on one verse, so if I can think of multiple verses that show where I have derived what I am saying, then I want to reference them in order to show the full support of the Bible, especially when there are many people who disagree with my position, but that does not tend to be short.
 
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No problem at all. Brevity is not my strong suit, so I understand if it was too long. It can be easy to make up a whole doctrine based on one verse, so if I can think of multiple verses that show where I have derived what I am saying, then I want to reference them in order to show the full support of the Bible, especially when there are many people who disagree with my position, but that does not tend to be short.
I understand your intention is good. The true boiled down issue is this:

once i've listened to my sermon and prayed and read scripture I find myself laying in bed doing nothing.

I really wanted to fish in my video game animal crossing. I did. I felt a little guilty. And i just don't know what i can do and wanted freedom from rules.

Simple as that. That is the truth of the matter of this entire post.
 
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What about Romans 14:5 "One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind"

And when Jesus said "The sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath."

I am not saying this to stumble anyone rather to bring to attention the meaning of scripture which Sabbath ultimately is for rest
if you read the context of romans14:5 you can clearly see it is regarding fasting. The context is EATING. The sabbath was made for man (Adam). He was created on the 6th day and the sabbath on the 7th. He was created first...
 
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You're right, it is with those who taught you this.
God. His own voice- written by His own finger.

Exodus 20:8-11 Exodus 31:18, Exodus 32:16

Something we can’t change. Deut 4:2 Proverbs 30:5-6 Isaiah 66:23
 
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Section 7, Chapter 22 - 2LBCF:
Your first quote box included the quote of the Bible about the 7th day being the Sabbath.

Your second quote was from the Baptist Confession of faith to say that the Sabbath was changed from what the Bible calls "the 7th day" to the first day. You gave no Bible text saying that however.
 
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Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Thank you for that quote. I love that text - the chapter is very interesting.

1. the word "alike" is not in the text and most translations show it to be in italics.
2. The word "Sabbath" is not in all of Rom 14
3. In Gal 4 - Paul condemns the observance of even one pagan holy day so he cannot be saying to observe every day in Rom 14.
4. Paul did not approve of keeping every day as Sabbath and not working at all.

He is talking about every day - every one of the Bible-approved Lev 23 annual holy days saying that one person keeps one above the other and another person keeps them all.
 
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I want to play games like I used to but always feel guilty. Specifically animal crossing where i like to fish and just have fun but I always think it's wrong. I don't want to sin but I don't want to live a life where I do nothing at all. What do you guys think?
I think many Christians feel this way. I think the culprit is boredom?

I personally don't play games unless those games are with family and not competitive. That would be part of the fellowship aspect of the Sabbath. We might play Bible Trivia Games or something.

Sometimes I get antsy listening to sermons and might play with something near me. I'm getting better at focusing but sometimes I think I'm ADHD. Lol. My mother finds if she is coloring, she can concentrate better on a sermon.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

If you mentally shut down to play a game or watch something and are not trying to draw near to God or to your brethren this would fall under the category of doing your own pleasure. Everything you do should be for building a relationship with God and with your fellow man. So someone sitting in their room with headphones on listening to secular music doesn't further their relationship with anyone; that should be saved that for a non-Sabbath day.

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Some things I do on Sabbaths if I'm feeling bored is watch documentaries. Some documentaries and lectures have really helped further my understanding of the Bible by seeing the cultural context of a historical area, or by understanding God through nature documentaries. These are a fun go-to for me and I feel I've gained a lot from it because I'm a visually learner rather than a one who reads and remembers.

I tend to talk a lot with the family and we each discuss what we've been studying or current events. My dad is Trekkie and is learning the Vulcan language and on Sabbaths he translates the Bible into Vulcan. (Lol) But it helps because he is going through word by word and understanding the context. So he can enjoy what he's doing (learning Vulcan) while studying God's word.

If I have trouble focusing or reading, Bible Audio is my go to. Both my mom and I will play it in the background if we're tired and go to our rooms and lay down for a bit. I might fall asleep but I argue having the bible audio in the background my brain will still absorb what I'm hearing on some unconscious level.

If I'm antsy I go for a walk around the property. Think, pray, meditate.

What is the best way you learn? What would make learning fun? Not everyone is studious or given to academic studies, so if that's not your strong point find out what your strong point is and incorporate learning into that. My dad and I tend to be more "cerebral" as he says: we study heavy topics and so forth whereas my mom and sister aren't really the academic type, but they're both artsy and creative. That's why my mom can sit and color and listen to Bible audio for hours and not being bored or mentally exhausted.

I have played Candy Crush while listening to sermons. I'm not going to say it's okay or not okay to play Animal Crossing on the Sabbath, but if you're like my mother who needs to be in a trance so to speak, to be able to help concentrate or the mind wanders, then listening to sermons or Bible audio while playing Animal Crossing would be a better option. But if you find you're too concentrated on the game and not on God, then that's a problem.

Keep the Sabbath. Christian growth and overcoming is a lifelong process. Ten years ago when I kept the Sabbath I got bored easily and wanted to watch television, play games etc. but I applied myself and little by little I gave up the things that didn't matter and can now focus better on God and His word. I'm far from perfect and I feel guilty often on days where I accomplish little. But over the years I have set goals for myself, so now I have a lot of things I want to read and look up and study and on days where I'm mentally exhausted, I just listen to sermons and audio.
 
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Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Again, if you read the context of Romans14:5 you can clearly see it is regarding fasting. The context is EATING. Context matters...
 
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There are times when some of God's laws appear to conflict, such as when God command priests to rest on the Sabbath, but also commanded priests to make offerings on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10). However, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do, but that the lesser command was never intended to be understood as preventing the greater command from being obeyed. This is why Jesus said that priests who did their duties were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why Jesus defended his disciples as being innocent (Matthew 12:5-7), so the Pharisees were incorrect to accuse his disciples of breaking the Sabbath.
Very refreshing to see this type of understanding and the rest of your posts. Thank you.

When I first read this explanation some time ago, I recall the conclusion being that the epitome of Law is for the good of men. It would be nice if more would realize this.

Thanks again for your posts.
 
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Very refreshing to see this type of understanding and the rest of your posts. Thank you.

When I first read this explanation some time ago, I recall the conclusion being that the epitome of Law is for the good of men. It would be nice if more would realize this.

Thanks again for your posts.
Thank you for your kind words, you are welcome. God’s word directly states that His law is for our own good (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13), so we need to obediently have faith God’s word.
 
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You're welcome. I enjoy reading your understandings of Scripture and have thought for 2-3 decades that the Messianic movement would add much to our understandings as it developed. You seem to have some things better organized than many of the Messianic writers I've read.
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Mark 2:23 "And it happened that He was passing through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way along while picking the heads of grain." They were not out working, so it would be out communicating with one another and enjoying the outdoors.
True -

The NT does not present Christ or His disciples as being at war against God's Commandments. It does present those who oppose Christ as constantly accusing Him of sin.
 
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I'm just gonna be 100% honest, I mentioned Paul talking about freedom from the law

Certainly Paul makes it clear in places like Rom 3:19-23 that all have sinned, all are under condemnation as law breakers.
In Rom 7 Paul says that the lost are bound to the Law - convicted by the Law as sinners and doomed.

Only the gospel frees mankind (OT and NT) from condemnation under the Law that says things like "Do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7.

God's solution was not "to make it just fine for Christians to take God's name in vain" that was not His solution.
God's solution was to write the Law on the heart Jer 31:31-34 under the NEW Covenant as well as forgiving sin as that text says.

So then Paul hammers the idea of freedom from bondage to the law as a lost person would experience it - one who is only condemned by the law.

At the same time Paul also says this about the saved "What then? Do we make void the law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
 
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Jesus says the Sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.

The main issue I'm bringing up is I have always had a hard time knowing what is and is not ok to do on the Sabbath to the extent I almost do nothing at all.

I want to play games like I used to but always feel guilty. Specifically animal crossing where i like to fish and just have fun but I always think it's wrong. I don't want to sin but I don't want to live a life where I do nothing at all. What do you guys think?
Jesus care more about whether your saved or not, because if your saved you will always know what is right and isn't right, on every day, not only the Sabbath.
 
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Jesus says the Sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.

The main issue I'm bringing up is I have always had a hard time knowing what is and is not ok to do on the Sabbath to the extent I almost do nothing at all.

I want to play games like I used to but always feel guilty. Specifically animal crossing where i like to fish and just have fun but I always think it's wrong. I don't want to sin but I don't want to live a life where I do nothing at all. What do you guys think?
Sounds to me like the sort of thing to do on the Sabbath. In Genesis 1 - 2 v 3 God created over six days then rested. I think He built that pattern into us, so for me it would be about having a break from your usual activity - job, studying etc. I like to keep it free from housework as well but that's just my choice. I have Christian friends who see it differently and that's okay.

So apart from Church and a quiet time I would see it as a time to have fun with any legitimate activity.
 
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Sounds to me like the sort of thing to do on the Sabbath. In Genesis 1 - 2 v 3 God created over six days then rested.
Good point in referring to the Bible on this topic

EX 20: God says to "keep it holy" --, sacred, set apart
Is 58:13 tells us that no secular activity is allowed on that specific day
Lev 23:3 says it is a day for "holy convocation" - "solemn assembly"
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
 
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I struggled with the Sabbath for a very long time and I keep it now to the best of my ability in Spirit & Truth, not the letter. I personally keep it for the same reasons I believe marriage is between man and a woman, because of creation (Genesis 2:3). Pertaining to abstaining from labour on the Sabbath I also personally use the rule 'if it can be done either at the end of the day or tomorrow I will do it then'.
I really wanted to fish in my video game animal crossing. I did. I felt a little guilty. And i just don't know what i can do and wanted freedom from rules.
Receive it with thanksgiving for the opportunity to relax on this day of rest The Lord has given you. Just do your best to not let it be fully preoccupying or dictate behaviour. And if it is, don't do it. So for example if there's an hour or two left of Sabbath (idk if you have closing Sabbath prayers) don't let it intrude on your worship time or what you do before the day is over. To the best of your ability make God come first. You could also limit your time on it to 1-2 hours or something.

Honestly maybe you should give Audible a go and get some good Christian related books to listen to. Stuff like Timothy Keller, C.S. Lewis, Church History, Theology & etc. That way you're engaged in learning and simultaneously stimulated. Plus you're growing closer to God.
 
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Jesus says the Sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath.

The main issue I'm bringing up is I have always had a hard time knowing what is and is not ok to do on the Sabbath to the extent I almost do nothing at all.

I want to play games like I used to but always feel guilty. Specifically animal crossing where i like to fish and just have fun but I always think it's wrong. I don't want to sin but I don't want to live a life where I do nothing at all. What do you guys think?
A lot of people are not understanding that we are no longer required to keep the sabbath under the New Testament. So you have nothing to worry about as long as you accept Jesus as your savior, because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. I will list scriptures and hope you contemplate on them for clear understanding. We all receive discernment from the Holy Spirit. Pray for understanding.

In Galatians 3:1-4, Apostle Paul was really upset with the Galatians for turning back from the gospel message he taught them under the New Testament. Because, the Galatians were being influenced by the Jews that they should keep the mosaic law (including the Sabbath), and some of the Galatians had wrongly followed them. This is why Paul asked who had bewitched them and did they receive the Spirit (the Spirit of Christ) by the works of the law (to include the Sabbath) or by the hearing of faith.

We are no longer under the law and we are not to perform the deeds of the law or we will not be justified before God, Romans 3:20. The law was established that Israel, who God had chosen, would remain righteous before Him, but now we are in Christ Who is the end of the law for righteousness, Romans 10:4. So if righteousness comes by the law, Christ died in vain, Galatians 2:21.

To want to be righteous would be the only reason someone who say they believe in Christ would want to keep the Sabbath, which is a practice under “the law.” But many misunderstand. The New Testament came into full force once Jesus died on the cross, Hebrews 9:16-17.

Once the New Testement came in, none of the law could be adhered to for several reasons:

1) When Jesus died on the cross, the requirements of the law was nailed to the cross with Him, Colossians 2:14. The veil of the temple ripped. This signaled that the law under the Old Testament was no longer a requirement; God no longer required the Levite Priest to appear behind the veil to the throne of God once a year for the sins of the people. We can now come boldly to the throne of God, Hebrews 4:16. As God took the requirements of the law away on the cross, He also crucified us on the cross with Christ signaling we are dead to the law, Romans 7:4.

There is so many more scriptures I could give to explain this. But another important scripture is in Jeremiah 31:33. This scripture is foretelling what God will do under the New Testament in Christ, where God through the Holy Spirit will write His laws in hearts. Paul quoted this same scripture in Hebrews 10:16-17.

None can keep the old mosaic law, It is a yoke that Israel could not bear. Peter addressed this in Acts 15:10.

The Sabbath is only one law, but represents all. Because if you break one, you brake them all, James 2:10. And there are 613 of them. If Israel could not keep them, and put a curse over the law because they could not keep them, Galatians 3:10, how arrogant are we to think we can keep them. If God did not spare Israel for breaking the law, that is all 613, then how can we think he will spare us especially if He has forgiven us for transgressing the law in Jesus. It looks like a denial of Christ blood atonement.

Can you see this?

We are under grace, Romans 6:14.
 
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