What are your thoughts on this?

[Whyayeman]

Everyone knows that sexual immorality is wrong. You can spout all your gay cliches and it's still wrong. And make no mistake, the gays themselves know this inside of them so everything out of their mouth is lies. That's in scripture too. I can post it if you like

Yes. The difference is in opinions of what is immoral.

I should be interested in how you can twist your scripture to justify your assertion that 'everything out of their mouths is lies'. Please quote from the Gospels if you can find anything at all there about homosexuals.

 

[Divide]

Yes. The difference is in opinions of what is immoral.

I should be interested in how you can twist your scripture to justify your assertion that 'everything out of their mouths is lies'. Please quote from the Gospels if you can find anything at all there about homosexuals.

It's in Leviticus 18. The entire chapter pretty much spells out all forms of sexual immorality. Here's a few in an NLT version that is very easy to understand.

Leviticus 18:22-24
22 “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.

23 “A man must not defile himself by having sex with an animal. And a woman must not offer herself to a male animal to have intercourse with it. This is a perverse act.

24 “Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for the people I am driving out before you have defiled themselves in all these ways. 25 Because the entire land has become defiled, I am punishing the people who live there. I will cause the land to vomit them out. 26 You must obey all my decrees and regulations. You must not commit any of these detestable sins. This applies both to native-born Israelites and to the foreigners living among you.../

There you go.

 

[Divide]

Yes. The difference is in opinions of what is immoral.

So you can't respect that I have my own opinion? So what? You have an even different opinion. So what. Please try not to spill it on me, lol.

 

[Divide]

I'm not sure yet but I think I was born a Crocodile. I feel like a Crocodile inside. I have to learn to live with that I guess. Good thing it wasn't a gay crocodile though, lol. I have this urge to move to Louisiana now, that's weird.

 

[Whyayeman]

It's in Leviticus 18. The entire chapter pretty much spells out all forms of sexual immorality. Here's a few in an NLT version that is very easy to understand.

Leviticus 18:22-24
22 “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.

23 “A man must not defile himself by having sex with an animal. And a woman must not offer herself to a male animal to have intercourse with it. This is a perverse act.

24 “Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for the people I am driving out before you have defiled themselves in all these ways. 25 Because the entire land has become defiled, I am punishing the people who live there. I will cause the land to vomit them out. 26 You must obey all my decrees and regulations. You must not commit any of these detestable sins. This applies both to native-born Israelites and to the foreigners living among you.../

There you go.

Thank you! I thought Leviticus might come up - as usual. But remember it was something from the Gospels I asked for, so no coconut.

Just by the way, that is a cracking good translation you have there, since the word 'homosexual' was first recorded in 1892. My King James Version has the relevant verse as: Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is an abomination.

It means exactly the same but I think the King James has a more sonorous ring to it.

(I like Leviticus, almost as much as I like the way some Christians are so selective in its application. They almost never give a care to the injunction about wearing suits made of a cotton and wool mix, even though the punishment is death.)

 

[Bradskii]

Yes the teacher is wrong and not to be accepted at all. The teacher is fired.

It takes a few posts, but we eventually get down to bedrock: Teachers who are gay should be fired.

I don't have gay friends.

I wonder why...

 

[BPPLEE]

It takes a few posts, but we eventually get down to bedrock: Teachers who are gay should be fired.

I wonder why...

Gay people work and succeed in many areas, Tammy Bruce is a conservative commentator on Fox News who happens to be gay.
I don’t support discrimination against gay people.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is what gay people find humorous? Joking about teaching inappropriate acts to children? Hide behind calling it satire it’s not funny.
I’m sure there are plenty of homosexual men and women who don’t appreciate this type of filth

I agree. I don’t condone homosexuality but we should also realize that we can’t stereotype entire groups based on the actions of a few within that group.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes. The difference is in opinions of what is immoral.

I should be interested in how you can twist your scripture to justify your assertion that 'everything out of their mouths is lies'. Please quote from the Gospels if you can find anything at all there about homosexuals.

“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BPPLEE]

“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Should we base our moral standards by what is not explicitly called out in gospels @Whyayeman ?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Should we base our moral standards by what is not explicitly called out in gospels @Whyayeman ?

Fornication is strictly forbidden in the NT in several passages. Many people think that fornication is limited to sex out of wedlock but in actuality it refers to all sexual immorality including homosexuality.

 

[Divide]

It takes a few posts, but we eventually get down to bedrock: Teachers who are gay should be fired.

yes.

I wonder why...

WOnder why? Because I dont hang out with thwm, seek them out or let them in my house.

 

[Divide]

Thank you! I thought Leviticus might come up - as usual. But remember it was something from the Gospels I asked for, so no coconut.

Just by the way, that is a cracking good translation you have there, since the word 'homosexual' was first recorded in 1892. My King James Version has the relevant verse as: Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is an abomination.

It means exactly the same but I think the King James has a more sonorous ring to it.

(I like Leviticus, almost as much as I like the way some Christians are so selective in its application. They almost never give a care to the injunction about wearing suits made of a cotton and wool mix, even though the punishment is death.)

What's wrong with the OT? Did Jesus make being gay legal and ok in the NT?, Show me where.

Nevertheless, thank you for making my point. You know it's wrong. Gays know its wrong too.

But I didn't make the rules so it's a waste of your time to argue with me or get mad at me for it. Those are God's rules.

 

[BPPLEE]

Fornication is strictly forbidden in the NT in several passages. Many people think that fornication is limited to sex out of wedlock but in actuality it refers to all sexual immorality including homosexuality.

I agree. @Whyayeman was making the case that homosexuality is not mentioned in the gospels. A lot of things are not mentioned in the gospels their exclusion doesn’t indicate approval

 

[BNR32FAN]

I agree. @Whyayeman was making the case that homosexuality is not mentioned in the gospels. A lot of things are not mentioned in the gospels their exclusion doesn’t indicate approval

Well fortunately this particular subject is specifically mentioned in the gospels.

 

[Whyayeman]

Should we base our moral standards by what is not explicitly called out in gospels @Whyayeman ?

It is, I admit, a bugbear of mine. The actual Gospels - you know - the Good Tidings where the actual words of actual Jesus are written as direct quotes are almost never quoted in the discussions I am allowed to have here on Christian forums. Once again we have Leviticus and now St Paul but nothing from Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

I know why. There is nothing about the issues under discussion to be found there. Not a word.

Here is what I asked Divide for which invoked Leviticus:

I should be interested in how you can twist your* scripture to justify your assertion that 'everything out of their mouths is lies'. Please quote from the Gospels if you can find anything at all there about homosexuals.​

​

[* In response to Divide]​

I note that Divide has not responded specifically yet to this.

There is much that could be said about modern Western morality. Its roots are not specifically Christian. A great many cultures contributed.

 

[Whyayeman]

Well fortunately this particular subject is specifically mentioned in the gospels.

Oh, no it isn't. (Don't make the mistake of thinking that atheists have never opened the Bible.)

 

[childeye 2]

Oh, no it isn't. (Don't make the mistake of thinking that atheists have never opened the bible.)

I'd like to respectfully ask if you personally feel there is a difference between Love and Lust.

 

[Whyayeman]

I'd like to respectfully ask if you personally feel there is a difference between Love and Lust.

I'm not sure what my feelings have to do with the topic under discussion but for what it is worth I think they are two different things.

Doesn't everybody?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Oh, no it isn't. (Don't make the mistake of thinking that atheists have never opened the Bible.)

Then why haven’t you replied to the post where I sent Romans 1:26-27?

“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬