What are your thoughts on this?

[childeye 2]

Oh I whole heartedly agree with the compassion. My kids and I have been visiting Portland OR. We've seen things we don't normally see. Quite frankly it's heartbreaking. It's so sad to see people trapped in mental illness like that. Or feel so terrible about life that they feel they must be the opposite sex to be happy. We are visiting my best friend who has a trans child. She was a girl until she was molested by a relative and then through her struggles decided she was trans. I went through that with my friend. Despite the fact that she has gotten a mastectomy and taken hormones you can tell she is a girl. She is losing her hair. I feel deep sorrow and compassion for her. How can I not?

I get this loud and clear and I'm right there with you. Your articulation is excellent above. Why scribble on that perfect sentiment by mentioning it alongside the gay agenda? I mean, I can see why, but the purity of the sentiment is going to get lost and turned to hatred of gays because the devil can use the occasion of semantics to do just that.

My anger is reserved for transgenderism and those who promote it and those who are actively trying to promote sinfulness and trying to convert kids into it, like Drag Queens and teachers and those in the media and on-line. As Paul said it's a terrible thing when someone approves of such things. And that's what that song is about. Not just converting the kids into the activities but converting them to approve of them. And that's just as bad. My anger and offense are reserved for those who are actively trying to get kids to transition as an answer to their struggles and glorifying that. No not every transperson is. But we have teachers, media, clinicians, and transpeople who are. And with the 400% increase in trans kids they are having an effect. And we should be offended by that.

This is what I'm talking about. You're conflating issues and now you sound like you've lost sight of reality in some degree. When I speak of Satan using semantics, I'm talking about a war happening in your mind and in my mind and in all of our minds. His goal is to misguide our love for others. How did you come to be angry with teachers? That's a rhetorical question, because I believe I know how. My point is that yes, it is God when you feel compassion and sorrow for transgenders, but no it's not God if you feel anger against teachers of acceptance as in treating others as oneself.

First of all Jesus was explaining how bad sinfulness is due to the eternal consequences of it.
Those that participate in actively trying to recruit children into that however deserve our anger and offense. Like those participating in DQSH. THEY deserve our offense and anger for trying to get children involved in that.

Let's not misunderstand one another here. I agree Jesus is alluding to misleading children into offenses. The danger I see here is that the devil uses semantics to both tempt and accuse. I don't see Jesus teaching we need to be offended and get angry at those who participate in actively trying to mislead children. There's a solid case to be made for agreeing that hedonism is detrimental and should not be encouraged in schools or anywhere; losing perspective by conflating separate issues of prejudice is not going to be helpful to securing agreement.

 

[childeye 2]

Hmmm... I think we do say that. The issue is they don't want us to say that. To say that is offensive to them and hate speech.

I qualified my post by stating what would be helpful for me. "We" shouldn't speak for "them". Yes, all people can take things wrong when in a state of darkness, that is the point. But words are power and the Truth is not impotent when we know the devils' devises. One needs to anticipate the reaction by putting oneself in the shoes of the other, and not fail to mention that hedonism is not restricted to homosexuality. That will disarm people from taking it personal when we express ourselves as no better. We must avoid the hypocrisy of the Pharisees as explained by Jesus. It's no simple task to speak with purity of heart. The greatest is the one who serves the rest. Any of Us vs Them in a reference should carry a neutral connotation of discriminating between two things, without prejudice, such as perspectives.

You my friend are not to disagree with them. It's hate speech and phobic. You can be nice as pie but the moment you say "it's about promoting acceptance of transgender identities or transexuals" you are accused of hate and phobias. The moment you say anything about queer fixation its hate. Whatever you try and say after that doesn't matter. That's how it works.

Who is them in your first line, because all Gays and even all Christians don't often agree with what is phobic or hateful? The above line underscored does not qualify what "acceptance" entails. Avoid using and reacting to sarcasm or facetious statements, because it cripples/limits a response. Tell others that they don't get to say what you mean and avoid doing the same.

Words are power and the Truth is not impotent. Therefore, I would approach Queer fixation by asking about it with a pure heart.

Example of conversation with a drag queen:
Why do drag queens dress up like women? Why do they want to read to children? Why seek acceptance when you can't come and read as who you are, a male? What is the fixation with such a disguise? What if a male child you're reading to is gay and he finds you sexually enticing, do drag queens think about that, or is that the whole point?

 

[Divide]

I am not defending anything. That is purely in your mind.

'that alone identifies you as a gay to me' Well, I never!

I am very sympathic to paraplegics. Does that identify me as disabled in your eyes? Perhaps you should think it through.

So maybe you're not a practicing gay? You still come across as gayish because it's like we got two crowds of people on the street and one group is chanting Gays are good and the other group is chanting just say no to being gay....

And you are clearly in the group across the street from me who is chanting gay support. So you are with them. Seems obvious. That you say that you are not gay, is good! Get out while you can! That makes you look bad to be in that crowd, lol.

I bet they don't even pay you for being a poster child for their support.

 

[Whyayeman]

So maybe you're not a practicing gay? You still come across as gayish because it's like we got two crowds of people on the street and one group is chanting Gays are good and the other group is chanting just say no to being gay....

And you are clearly in the group across the street from me who is chanting gay support. So you are with them. Seems obvious. That you say that you are not gay, is good! Get out while you can! That makes you look bad to be in that crowd, lol.

I bet they don't even pay you for being a poster child for their support.

I think maybe you should check the rules for Christian forums. I think this comes close to flaming (but I won't be reporting you).

 

[childeye 2]

So maybe you're not a practicing gay? You still come across as gayish because it's like we got two crowds of people on the street and one group is chanting Gays are good and the other group is chanting just say no to being gay....

I am a heterosexual and couldn't choose to be gay, so chanting "just say no to being gay" would make no sense to me.

 

[Divide]

I think maybe you should check the rules for Christian forums. I think this comes close to flaming (but I won't be reporting you).

Thank you for making my point. It doesn't make you feel good to be accused of being bad (for whatever reason) and it goes both ways. When you gay supporters in the thread make cracks about us Christians for our beliefs it does not feel good to us either.

Sorry about the reverse psychology but it seemed like none of you guys want to admit it.
I appreciate the fact that you choose to talk to me man to man without pulling out yellow or red cards, lol.

 

[Divide]

I am a heterosexual and couldn't choose to be gay, so chanting "just say no to being gay" would make no sense to me.

I could have chose better wording. I can see that. It does make sense but it was flippant.

 

[Whyayeman]

When you gay supporters in the thread make cracks about us Christians for our beliefs it does not feel good to us either.

Have I done that? I think I have been careful not to make personal remarks.

The original post showed a hoax perpetrated on innocent people. This hoax resulted in death threats made against them.

I think I have made it clear throughout this thread my opinion that gay men and women deserve respect and sympathy as fellow human beings. I think the perpetrators of the hoax and the people who leapt in to express their hatred are bigots. The fact that these hateful actions have been defended here - and by people whose religion purports to teach love of their fellows - is depressing and actually alarming.

Scriptural texts have been invoked to justify discrimination against these people. As somebody brought up in the church I understand that many religious people see this is itself an abuse.

I would want to support anybody who has been subjected to such treatment. My own identity has nothing to do with it.

 

[Divide]

Have I done that? I think I have been careful not to make personal remarks.

The original post showed a hoax perpetrated on innocent people. This hoax resulted in death threats made against them.

I think I have made it clear throughout this thread my opinion that gay men and women deserve respect and sympathy as fellow human beings. I think the perpetrators of the hoax and the people who leapt in to express their hatred are bigots. The fact that these hateful actions have been defended here - and by people whose religion purports to teach love of their fellows - is depressing and actually alarming.

Scriptural texts have been invoked to justify discrimination discrimination against these people. As somebody brought up in the church I understand that many religious people see this is itself an abuse.

I would want to support anybody who has been subjected to such treatment. My own identity has nothing to do with it.

You are being very careful in your speech. The thing is that you are very subtle about it when you do. So the hostility does come through to someone who can read and comprehend, lol. Because innocuous implications are clearly seen. So my daddy taught me to hand eople back the same that they hand you. Nevertheless, trying to walk with the Lord has taught me to consider my words more.

I try but I am in now way perfect. So if you would like a more peaceful conversation, stop doing it yourself to others! Here in this post of yours is a prime example

Scriptural texts have been invoked to justify discrimination discrimination against these people. As somebody brought up in the church I understand that many religious people see this is itself an abuse.

No personal remarks there, lol. But against Christians as a group you slander them and accuse them. Then you attempt to justify this condemnation of Christians by excepting the christians in church who are soft hearted and slow witted to be able to catch the slurs and the lie.

You know full well that Christians and their beliefs are spoken with Love towartrds these lost individuals. That you guys speciffically take offense at the Christians who's faith is more pure than a few confused people in your church. You can't say that even two christians you know who think the hardcore Christians are abusive to gays is not my concern. But it's not a blanket which fits all Christians and therein are you wrong.

Don't you just love those christians that think like you do? Sure you do! I do not think like you thank God so that explains your hostility for Christians like me that do not share your views and never will.

You're pretty good at it, speaking hatred and lies in a psuedo diplomatic speech that can easily be misconstrued to show that you have a heart and not hatred. Keep trying though. If you no likey then stop talking to me because I'll talk to you and straight too.

 

[Divide]

Did Jesus ever compromise with the Pharisees?

You know He didn't!

 

[Whyayeman]

You are being very careful in your speech.

Yes, the forum rules require it of us all. I have learned to stick to forum rules.

But I am glad my meaning is clear. I am hostile to bigotry from whatever source. Should I not be allowed to make that clear?

 

[Divide]

Yes, the forum rules require it of us all. I have learned to stick to forum rules.

But I am glad my meaning is clear. I am hostile to bigotry from whatever source. Should I not be allowed to make that clear?

Please don't play a victim card. We're just two men talking, right? So no outside intereference is not needed nor would it help.

We just don't see eye to eye. I'm not a bigot either. Opinionated perhaps!
This thread is groaning on now. Would you rather talk about being an atheist? I can chop that down with truth too! And you admission to hostilness was an unexpected surise and I thank you for that. I felt pushed. So I pushed back, lol.

Make anything you want clear. Concerning Atheiesum that has to be a lie because everyone knows God inside themselves and that He is the truth. Geez, if there really was no God...then there could not be atheists. True that.

 

[Whyayeman]

Please don't play a victim card. We're just two men talking, right? So no outside intereference is not needed nor would it help.

We just don't see eye to eye. I'm not a bigot either. Opinionated perhaps!

I am not a victim. The victims this thread is about were in a choir. They were wrongly branded as paedophiles and received death threats. I did not say you were a bigot. The people who attacked that same choir are bigots.

I am not sure, from your last remark, that you are open to discussion, so, no thanks to a discussion about the existence of a God. I was brought up in the church, attended Sunday school and was for a time in the church choir. Religion just didn't take - and still hasn't.

Once a deeply religious colleague said that he could not imagine his life without hope of everlasting life. I told him I was as happy as him in this life. He went off, puzzled. Existence is a puzzle. I just do not see an answer in religion, that's all.

 

[Divide]

I didn't think you would.

 

[Whyayeman]

Here is why:

Atheiesum that has to be a lie because everyone knows God inside themselves

There cannot be rational discussion on this subjects between us.

 

[ozso]

I am not a victim. The victims this thread is about were in a choir. They were wrongly branded as paedophiles and received death threats.

Were the death threats along the lines of "stay away from my child or else"?

Quite frankly I think what that choir did was incredibly stupid and begging for that kind of trouble. No matter how cute, harmless and satirical it was supposed to be. It was idiotic.

 

[Bradskii]

They received death threats because they were outrageously accused of being paedophiles. Maybe it's just me, but I thought that was pretty obvious. Maybe those making those threats didn't bother checking to see if the claims were true...

 

[ozso]

They received death threats because they were outrageously accused of being paedophiles. Maybe it's just me, but I thought that was pretty obvious. Maybe those making those threats didn't bother checking to see if the claims were true...

That doesn't seem likely since that video has been up for a couple of years now. Unless someone posted evidence of that somewhere in 800+ posts. But again a bunch of men singing "we're coming for your children" should have known that's the kind of trouble they were going to stir up. That they would just be inflaming that stereotype.

 

[Bradskii]

That doesn't seem likely since that video has been up for a couple of years now. Unless someone posted evidence of that somewhere in 800+ posts. But again a bunch of men singing "we're coming for your children" should have known that's the kind of trouble they were going to stir up. That they would just be inflaming that stereotype.

From here: Gay Men's Chorus dog-piled with death threats by vile QAnon conspiracy theorists

“Singers on their social media have been getting threats. It’s been a harrowing 36 hours,” Verdugo said. One Twitter user gained widespread traction on social media when they tweeted claiming that many members of the chorus are registered sex offenders.'

That was when the video first came out. So you've got low life twitter users saying, effectively, 'Look, these guys are actually paedophiles. And they admit that they're coming for your children'.

And people heard what they wanted to hear, made zero attempt to check those gutter level accusations and what do we get? Death threats and widespread links to the altered video across multiple social media outlets. Even to the extent that it's been posted here.

Maybe you have some thoughts on how we can prevent people from doing this?

 

[Whyayeman]

I think what that choir did was incredibly stupid and begging for that kind of trouble.

That is remarkably similar to what used to be said about victims of rape being out after dark. It is almost as if they were not as free as the rest of society.