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I have quoted from my copy of the James I Bible here on CF many times. Now, specifically, show where in scripture is there a reference to somebody - in your words - "repenting from being gay".But you are right, repenting from being gay is easily shown in scripture.
I have quoted from my copy of the James I Bible here on CF many times. Now, specifically, show where in scripture is there a reference to somebody - in your words - "repenting from being gay".
Please look again at my post #801. The phrase you used does not appear in scripture. You are just using catch-all general purpose quotes.Are you kidding me? It says throughout the Bible that all of us should repent from all sin. How many times does it say it? A lot. Being gay is a sin so should be repented from.
2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.,,,/KJV
Acts 3:19
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;.../KJV
Acts 17:30
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:.../KJV
2 Chronicals 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land..../KJV
Is that enough scriptures for you about repenting from sin? There's a lot more too...
It's no big deal, but I could tell that you misunderstood me when you said this, "Okay, to call it a ploy and propaganda is exactly using the language you claim shouldn't be used. You might want to check your own eye first".Man I quoted you. You said what you said. Now if you weren't clear enough for me then that's something else. On forums like this we all say things and then later have to clarify what we meant. After all you know what you meant. I don't. I just have to go by what you said. And you said people were using pride parades to create outrage using propaganda. I even believe you used the word lying.
While I agree with you in that it's wrong to equate ALL gay or transgenders with the parades, I don't think anyone is doing that. And there is no propaganda or TRYING to create an outrage. As you say later just showing the truth creates the outrage because people are shocked at what is REALLY going on. The truth sometimes is shocking.looks to me like the hedonists are using gay pride parades to provoke people which creates outrage. But what I conveyed is it's wrong to equate transgenders or all people who are gay with the hedonists at a gay pride parade through an over generalization.
Proof from the record:
As you say, hedonism is not restricted to homosexuality. There are hedonists that are of all stripes including transgender people. Inxluding people that are NOT part of the LGBT group. But they are not part of the parades either. There most certainly are heterosexuals that are hedonistic. But they aren't the ones marching in the street celebrating their hedonistic ways and putting it on display for all to see. That's kind of the thing here. Not only do LGBT groups act hedonistic they also want to throw it in everyone's face as well. They WANT it on display in front of crowds. That's even more hedonistic.But objectively, it isn't. Transgenders are not hedonists and hedonism is not even restricted to homosexuality. I don't even see hedonists represented there. So, when we compare a gay pride parade which contains acts of debauchery with a gay pride assembly at a school meant to support equal and fair treatment, those are two different things.
No it wasn't satire. They are are CLAIMING we are teachers ng out children to be hateful. They are making false claims. Why? Because they can't handle anyone disagreeing with them. Anyone who disagrees with what they are doing is a hater. And you fell for it.is satire because it's a mockery of the authoritarianism of punishing gays for being their selves. Even stating your belief that it isn't a satire, is the actual irony of the satire. For example, if you fear they will convert your child from being hateful, you actually accepted a false premise, unless of course you're actually teaching your children to be hateful.
And how many gay people do you know? It seems it is the FEW that find it disgusting. 77% of gays find them important and support them.Every gay person I know finds gay pride parades disgusting. You know how sensationalism and propaganda works. You and I are here actively amplifying the few and promoting the spectacle.
Oh yes it was! And people with your attitude to the issues of LGBT+ are the target. That is a common problem with satire, especially when it is not very well done; the target has no sense of it and takes it at face value.No it wasn't satire.
It's been said that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. And I tend to agree. Despite my natural tendency to it. But satire is a different ball game.Oh yes it was! And people with your attitude to the issues of LGBT+ are the target. That is a common problem with satire, especially when it is not very well done; the target has no sense of it and takes it at face value.
It seems to me that all the animosity that has been built up over these issues comes from the religiosity of a mainly American fundamentalist sectarian minority. Most people see it as simply a matter of equality for all, regardless of gender.
Please look again at my post #801. The phrase you used does not appear in scripture. You are just using catch-all general purpose quotes.
OK. I shall leave it at that.
Your personal revulsion is in scripture?
The gays? First: I think you are making unwarranted assumptions here. I have never indicated anything about my sexuality here, and I am not going to. Second: your lumping together of various groups as 'the gays' reveals what may be your true attitude - of contempt and hatred. What is in your scriptures to support that?Rather the gays stirred it up speciffically by invading our forum
If anybody is 'playing the victim card' it is you.Quit trying to be special and have a victim card to play
The gays? First: I think you are making unwarranted assumptions here. I have never indicated anything about my sexuality here, and I am not going to. Second: your lumping together of various groups as 'the gays' reveals what may be your true attitude - of contempt and hatred. What is in your scriptures to support that?
If anybody is 'playing the victim card' it is you.
'Invading'? 'Our forum'? Poor you, having to put up with us atheists and other forms of devillry! I suppose you would rather not hear somebody else's point of view.
As for 'other types of 'sin' - well start a thread on some of them. I might support your viewpoint. Who knows?
I am not defending anything. That is purely in your mind.So what? Gays probably shouldn't go to Christian websites when they are not seeking the Lord because most of them are merely tryng to sway Christians belief system. So what do you expect?
You want me to be gay sympathetic and at the same time you want to totally ignore the holiness standards that my God holds to. That can be taken as surrepticious at it's core.
Why are you defending that you are not gay? You have displayed yourself to be a very sympathetic supporters of gays in the least, and so that alone identifies you as a gay to me. If you don't like that then don't talk to me, lol.
Oh I whole heartedly agree with the compassion. My kids and I have been visiting Portland OR. We've seen things we don't normally see. Quite frankly it's heartbreaking. It's so sad to see people trapped in mental illness like that. Or feel so terrible about life that they feel they must be the opposite sex to be happy. We are visiting my best friend who has a trans child. She was a girl until she was molested by a relative and then through her struggles decided she was trans. I went through that with my friend. Despite the fact that she has gotten a mastectomy and taken hormones you can tell she is a girl. She is losing her hair. I feel deep sorrow and compassion for her. How can I not?compassion means seeing people suffering and wanting to alleviate that suffering and it makes no difference if they're gay or drag queens or whatever. That's just what it is and what it does. Compassion is an objective morality.
I believe the devil uses subjective connotations because the positive/negatives reverse in subjective opposing perspectives. As both an accuser and tempter he can play both sides against one another in a mutual cynicism. So yes, I would think Jesus would have something to say about trying to convert children into sinfulness, but that must also include slandering those who are not doing that by saying that they are. That's why we need to avoid lumping all gays in there with hedonists, and also avoid falsely equating transgender children with hedonism.
First of all Jesus was explaining how bad sinfulness is due to the eternal consequences of it. You are correct in what you say about hedonists. And drag queens are not just men who like to dress up. When you learn more about their lives and what they do and participate in it's extremely hedonistic. Filled with rampant sexual promiscuity, drugs and alcohol. You shouldn't be offended, but feel compassion for those trapped by sin. They are individuals headed for judgement and we should not be hating those who are so lost.Okay. Let's look at the semantics Jesus uses. "IF your right eye offends you pluck it out". So, how is one offended by their own eye? Think about it and also read the parable of the eye is the lamp of the soul.
All hedonists sin against their own selves and dishonor one another, and a drag queen is just a man dressed up like a woman trying to look beautiful. Why should I be offended at what I see?
I think lazy is the wrong word. Convenient is a better word. We use all kinds of words to describe something, good or bad, that boils down what something is. It's more convenient than having to say are type out several sentences or paragraphs trying to describe whatever it is. You may call that lazy, but I call it convenient. What you and others do with woke is try and turn it into something it's not just to try and get rid of the word because it's to convenient to use. No we are not using to it to describe ANYTHING we disagree with. We are doing it to describe the social justice ideology and activities. Woke is easier than having to say that everytime.I'm saying it's a lazy way of thinking. And an easy way of bundling up what you might think 'the left' comprises. It's a bumper sticker phrase to keep the proletariat bubbling with righteous indignation. It's simple shorthand for those who don't want to think too hard. It's a convenience for some people not to have to address individual matters and would rather wrap up everything they don't like so they can crayon a simple 4 letter word onto a placard. It's a sound bite that wannabe presidents like to use. It makes people feel they are part of a group - the ones that are against 'woke'! It's equivalent to Marxism, used by people who probably couldn't tell the difference between Karl and Groucho.
Maybe that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think it is.
Speaking for myself, they're not claiming I am teaching my children to be hateful or even teaching them to be judgmental of gays, because I find no conviction in the words of the song. There's nothing for me to fall for. It is however satire according to the author of the lyrics and the semantic undertones.No it wasn't satire. They are are CLAIMING we are teachers ng out children to be hateful. They are making false claims. Why? Because they can't handle anyone disagreeing with them. Anyone who disagrees with what they are doing is a hater. And you fell for it.
I have made acquaintance with probably about a dozen persons that were openly gay including a gay couple who were close longtime friends of my Mother in law. I had an uncle whom I knew was gay though we never talked about it, but he was a really nice guy. Incidentally, he was a very accomplished lawyer highly regarded in his profession and he died of AIDs. There are three gay men that I know pretty well and who I've talked to about it who find hedonism disgusting, and I grew up with a next-door neighbor kid three years older than I, who ended up deep into hedonism by the age of eighteen and his life was as tragic as a junky.And how many gay people do you know? It seems it is the FEW that find it disgusting. 77% of gays find them important and support them.
Hmmm... I think we do say that. The issue is they don't want us to say that. To say that is offensive to them and hate speech. You my friend are not to disagree with them. It's hate speech and phobic. You can be nice as pie but the moment you say "it's about promoting acceptance of transgender identities or transexuals" you are accused of hate and phobias. The moment you say anything about queer fixation its hate. Whatever you try and say after that doesn't matter. That's how it works.For me this would be helpful. If it's about hedonism, such as at gay pride parades then say it. Avoid blank assertions.
If it's about drag queens reading to children, then say that. To describe it as our children are being forced to accept LGBTQ+ culture is not detailed enough to show that. Make the distinction between a queer fixation and a gender dysphoria.
If it's about promoting acceptance of transgender identities or transexuals then say that and think to qualify "acceptance" so as to show whether it means showing mutual respect, or peer pressure when we say it.
Take an objective view, so as not to trust descriptions made by one side about the other. To be objective one must be able to understand and weigh the valid points from all subjective views.
Make the distinction between the political push for gay rights and the rise of transgender transexual disorders.
You can't disagree with them without offending them. That is the whole problem. You can't utter anything against what they are doing without them calling it hate, phobic and offensive. No matter what.I don’t want to offend them. It’s the no matter what that concerns me
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