What are your thoughts on Adam and Eve's decision to eat the fruit?

[Sophrosyne]

The other stuff I've addressed before so I'll ignore it but mostly because you are disrespectful in different posts. This one I'll address because it's the only thing you've said that I actually care about. What test have I put to the Book of Mormon? What indeed. That's a simple one, I've prayed to God and asked Him. He told me it's true. I'm always amazed as to the responses I get. "But where's the evidence," "How do you know it was God," "Where are the plates?" It seems like "Christians" don't believe God is even a semi-halfway decent source for answers. I know evidences are there, I've done my own research. Bottom line is I don't care about those physical things. For anything, evidence merely gives a good approximation, not absolute proof. You can't prove the Bible is true, you can't prove the Book of Mormon is true, you certainly cannot prove Jesus Christ was born of a Virgin and is the Son of God. A person can only give evidence, not proof, and that's just for the first two things I mentioned. The other 2 comes by faith without evidence.

You can stick with the need for physical things in order to believe and I'll stick with relying upon God for answers to my prayers and questions.

I'm sorry but for the purposes of debate "praying to God" and emotional feelings and heartburn are not proof of anything if someone else can also pray to God similarly and get a contrary answer to what you are saying. We can prove the truth in the Bible to a point, and by trusting in what it says (not what it does NOT say) we can come to faith in Jesus. The premise you have laid down is saying something that isn't in the Bible is true and basing it on a book that has not been proven to be more reliable or even as reliable than the Bible. If the BOM isn't "more true" than the Bible and is seen by most Christians as "less true" than the Bible then if the BOM says something that flies in contradiction with the Bible one has to conclude that the Bible would be the first choice to ascertain what is true.
In other words until you convince all of Christianity the BOM is MORE true than the Bible your statements that are based upon the BOM are going to be similarly dismissed in favor of the Bible every time.

 

[LegacyJB]

I'm glad LegacyJB apparently pays no heed to any of my posts, else he would've lost faith in the LDS church and been in the unpleasant position of apostasy from his fellows in the faith...

You're sorely mistaken my friend. I've read every comment that has been given to these posts. I haven't seen anything that has caused my faith to shake even the slightest bit. Satan can certainly tempt me and give me trials but I say "come what may."

My faith is unlike what you've seen in any other "Christian". I've had questions as far as needing clarification about things in the church but I've never questioned the church being true. Never have and never will. That's something no amount of influence from Satan through people can get me to do. Unlike the people in the early church and those of the reformers I won't apostatize from the way of the Lord.

You can call it pride but I call it pure confidence. The mission has helped me change a lot and has strengthened my faith even more than it was before. I've encountered arguments that many of you have never even heard because all you guys do is echo each other. You guys give criticisms that are decades old and they've been answered.

You can try to shake me from Jesus Christ and His gospel but it won't work. He is my Savior and my Shield. More than that, He is my Friend. God, His Father, is my Father too. I am a child of God and I know where I stand. When I see my Heavenly Father and my Lord Jesus Christ I will be able to hug both of Them and thank Them for what They have done. I'll also be able to tell the Holy Ghost for guiding me home and express my love to Him. God the Father loves all of His children just as Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost love all of Heavenly Father's children. I am a son of the Almighty Highest.

 

[Sophrosyne]

So in other words logic and the Bible suggest that Adam and Eve sinned by eating the fruit and that procreation had nothing to do with their sin. One doesn't have to defy God so they can have children.

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

I'm sorry but for the purposes of debate "praying to God" and emotional feelings and heartburn are not proof of anything if someone else can also pray to God similarly and get a contrary answer to what you are saying. We can prove the truth in the Bible to a point, and by trusting in what it says (not what it does NOT say) we can come to faith in Jesus. The premise you have laid down is saying something that isn't in the Bible is true and basing it on a book that has not been proven to be more reliable or even as reliable than the Bible. If the BOM isn't "more true" than the Bible and is seen by most Christians as "less true" than the Bible then if the BOM says something that flies in contradiction with the Bible one has to conclude that the Bible would be the first choice to ascertain what is true.
In other words until you convince all of Christianity the BOM is MORE true than the Bible your statements that are based upon the BOM are going to be similarly dismissed in favor of the Bible every time.

I will echo the sentiment that personal inspiration is not a reason to trust in something. I know of people that have "heard" things from God that are just not right. Granted, the Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways, but scripture says we should test all prophets and their teachings. The test being does it agree with scripture.

Please keep this in perspective though. Those in heaven we will be rewarded for their actions, not the doctrines they were taught by the church they followed. While the churches have many different doctrines, as long as one believes in Jesus Christ as their Savior, then he is a brother in Christ. At that point what is most important is to live as Christ.

 

[Ripheus27]

I'm gonna bow out of this thread before my temper gets the best of me. I'm lucky I live in Washington, if you know what I mean...

 

[LegacyJB]

I'm gonna bow out of this thread before my temper gets the best of me. I'm lucky I live in Washington, if you know what I mean...

Lol why would your temper blow over? Washington huh? That's just north of my mission. Nothing worth getting worked over about.

 

[LegacyJB]

I will echo the sentiment that personal inspiration is not a reason to trust in something. I know of people that have "heard" things from God that are just not right. Granted, the Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways, but scripture says we should test all prophets and their teachings. The test being does it agree with scripture.

Please keep this in perspective though. Those in heaven we will be rewarded for their actions, not the doctrines they were taught by the church they followed. While the churches have many different doctrines, as long as one believes in Jesus Christ as their Savior, then he is a brother in Christ. At that point what is most important is to live as Christ.

And I'll look at the argument, smile, laugh, and then ask how prayer is wrong. Really, how? Oh wait, God might tell you something you don't want to hear. I guess you can't risk that can ya? It's more important to have your opinion than to get an answer from God. Maybe that's why you guys think prayer is bad.

 

[NYCGuy]

And I'll look at the argument, smile, laugh, and then ask how prayer is wrong. Really, how? Oh wait, God might tell you something you don't want to hear. I guess you can't risk that can ya? It's more important to have your opinion than to get an answer from God. Maybe that's why you guys think prayer is bad.

No one claimed that prayer is wrong or bad. Sometimes I wonder if you actually read the posts you respond to.

Also, I have received confirming inspiration through the Holy Spirit that the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ, and that Christ's Kingdom has always been present on the earth since He established it. I further felt the presence of Christ in a powerful way when I attended my local cathedral and sincerely prayed to God for guidance. This was one of the reasons I came out of the LDS Church (as much as I enjoyed the social aspects of it). I'm glad that I no longer have to wonder why the LDS prophets, seers, and revelators don't prophesy, see, nor reveal anything, or wonder if we've done away with the previously taught idea that God the Father was once a man that progressed to/achieved Godhood, an idea the New Testament Christians certainly did not entertain. I'm grateful for the knowledge that God has been God from all eternity, and can ignore Joseph Smith attempting to refute that belief.

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

And I'll look at the argument, smile, laugh, and then ask how prayer is wrong. Really, how? Oh wait, God might tell you something you don't want to hear. I guess you can't risk that can ya? It's more important to have your opinion than to get an answer from God. Maybe that's why you guys think prayer is bad.

"We think prayer is bad." That is an outright inflammatory lie, and you want us to not label you Mormons.

As far as getting a divine inspiration from God, that does happen. I could tell of a story where as a child I had a nightmare and instead of crying to my Mom, I prayed. To this day I have not had another nightmare. In fact my dreams have changed where I no longer sees images so it is impossible for me to be scared from a dream although I may dream of bad things.

But, unless the Holy Spirit gives one the ability to perform miracles, such divine inspirations can't be used to convince another they are God's prophet. That is why we ask for scriptural proof to confirm one's teachings. All new teachings must be congruent with what the Bible states. We will hold all to it.

 

[isleof]

Well, we can all agree that the eating of the forbidden fruit isn't of life(God).

 

[Phantasman]

So when Christ was pierced for our transgressions, He wasn't dying for our sins? It is just utterly false that sin and transgression are different categories.

Transgression is to move beyond the bounds that are set up by something or someone. Sin is knowingly disobedience to what is established as law.

How would Christ die for a sin (or sins) when he was sinless? He took on the understanding (core, feelings, temptations) of all sins, so he was now able to judge sin as one who was sinless. His completion at the cross made him judge of the sinners, with the power to forgive those who understood through knowledge, yet couldn't obtain.

When the flesh is removed, Christ judges what is left.

Through the Holy Spirit we are indeed begotten again, but we are begotten through Christ in the two. We are anointed through the Spirit. When we were begotten, we were united. None can see himself either in water or in a mirror without light. Nor again can you see in light without mirror or water. For this reason, it is fitting to baptize in the two, in the light and the water. Now the light is the chrism. -Philip

Which backs up Thomas:

Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

Which is Biblical:

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?-Paul

 

[single eye]

for a really different take on this event, one closer to yours, read the apocryphon of John.

 

[IchoozJC]

for a really different take on this event, one closer to yours, read the apocryphon of John.

You think the forums are your platform to promote gnostic writings? All you've done is carpet bomb the forums with gnostic advertising. You may want to read the forum rules.

 

[single eye]

why the hostility? Does not everyone on here get to share what they believe? nobody is forcing you to read my posts. if they only make you angry then what's the point?

 

[IchoozJC]

why the hostility? Does not everyone on here get to share what they believe? nobody is forcing you to read my posts. if they only make you angry then what's the point?

Angry? It was a friendly reminder that you are breaking forum rules when you repost the same thing to multiple threads. Other forums call it SPAM.

 

[crossroad]

While I've heard people say it was a bad thing, I'm grateful they did what they did. It was a good thing. If they hadn't we wouldn't be here. Adam and Eve would have remained in ignorant bliss forever. Because they would have never know what was bad they would have never known what was good.

What are your thoughts on their actions?

Our lives are very short. We are only given a short amount of time.

 

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